Cost/ Suggestions for creating pasture

I’m working with some folks who have an existing barn with very limited turn out (I am helping them in a sort of consulting capacity since the property owners are not horse people).
They have the opportunity to buy a 2 acre parcel that they want to turn into an additional turnout area. It was previously used as a makeshift parking lot and there is a good bit of gravel spread around the area, as well as some scrubby little pine trees that have popped up in the otherwise mostly cleared area.

I know we would need to have the gravel scraped, probably have some top soil added back, grass planted and fence installed.

My question is ROUGHLY what should we expect this to cost? I have a few requests out for quotes but I have never done a project like this so I don’t know if I should be expecting $5,000 or $50,000. My other question is, what other things should we consider for this project? We know we need to have a water line and electric run, but any other tips? We don’t have any heavy equipment at the barn and the owners are not DIY types.

Sorry, I don’t know about costs, but it takes quite a while (maybe a year) for grass to establish before you can let the horses on it.

What kind of fencing? My fencing budget alone at my farm is$20,000 a year. Sigh. Hoping just one more year at that level but honestly could go forever likely.

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I’m working with some folks who have an existing barn with very limited turn out (I am helping them in a sort of consulting capacity since the property owners are not horse people).
They have the opportunity to buy a 2 acre parcel that they want to turn into an additional turnout area. It was previously used as a makeshift parking lot and there is a good bit of gravel spread around the area, as well as some scrubby little pine trees that have popped up in the otherwise mostly cleared area.

I know we would need to have the gravel scraped, probably have some top soil added back, grass planted and fence installed.

My question is ROUGHLY what should we expect this to cost? I have a few requests out for quotes but I have never done a project like this so I don’t know if I should be expecting $5,000 or $50,000. My other question is, what other things should we consider for this project? We know we need to have a water line and electric run, but any other tips? We don’t have any heavy equipment at the barn and the owners are not DIY types.[/QUOTE]

Why do you need water run?

Fencing would be just the new 2 acre pasture and it’s about 800 linear feet. Water needs run bc it is too far from existing water source to be practical with hoses to fill a trough. we could maybe do a solar electric fence but not sure if I trust that

If we can acquire the property quickly enough we could allow 9mo-1 yr for the grass to get established, that I was already taking into consideration

Well, for the gravel scraping you could rent a front loader from a heavy equipment rental place like Sunbelt (find one local to you) and scrape the gravel yourself to save costs. However if you’re in the least bit timid around heavy equipment it would be better to hire that out. Expect to pay over $500 for a day or two for this.

Topsoil is something you’d have to calculate and ask for quotes. Say you want to apply 6 inches of topsoil, then you would need to do the math and get cubic feet and cubic yards to know how much it would cost. Again, if you rent a front loader you can apply it yourself.

Fencing, I’m a fan of no-climb horse fencing and sturdy wooden posts that have been driven into the ground. I also like to have not only a top board, but a bottom/ ground board as well. Calculate how many feet of fencing you’d need. Then divide that number by 8 to get the number of posts. Don’t forget to add in the cost of fence staples. You could do it for about $4,000 depending on prices in your area.

Grass seed is expensive for good pasture seed, but you can sometimes find deals online. You can also find charts for how many pounds you’d need for two acres. Expect to pay around $200 or so.

For the water line, expect to pay at least $1,000 for a basic no-frills set up, but try to double that cost for your budget in case you run into an issue.

So far I’ve got about $6,200 and that’s if you DIY, you can expect to double or triple the cost if you hire out.

Depending on your area:

We have paid on occasion (depending on if they were close by or not at all near our area) $200 drop fee for each piece of equipment needed on the job. $80-100 on hour each piece of equipment was running. If the equipment wasn’t being used, it was turned off. Sometimes I ran the dump truck, my husband ran the excavator and the “real” operator ran the dozer. So that $80 an hour sometimes included us using their equipment, but we were the unpaid laborers.

If you don’t have “friends” with equipment…it’s gonna get pricey. Especially if they have to haul the gravel away. It may work out cheaper to create a berm/hill out of the gravel. Unless you have friends or neighbors that need the gravel or fill and don’t care if it’s full of gravel.

Top soil isn’t cheap. Hopefully you can find some close by…mileage is a b…

Don’t forget when you finally get the soil in place to do a soil test and apply the correct lime and fertilizer.

You may be able to get away with bush hogging the area and applying the topsoil on top of the gravel, rather than removing the gravel. It would provide you with a stable base with good drainage.

Given the fact that this has been used as a parking lot. Even just occasionally I would guess without the benefit of checking it out that the soil has become pretty compacted. Most likely to get a big bang for your efforts and expense it will need to be tilled, turned over, disced and then floated level and lightly rolled with a cultipacker. Unless there is a lot of gravel what is there will be worked into the existing soil. It would be worth pulling soil samples from around the property and having it tested. Make sure to “pull” soil 6+" below grade. Amend as the report suggest and then prepare the seed bed as above.

As to seed, depends on what grows best in your area. Given your location you may be limited in selection. In my neck of the woods where cool season grasses grow well, like bluegrass, rye, fescue etc. which are all spreading types verse orchard and timothy which are clump grass that don’t spread out with age. I like to mix 2/3 to 1/3. I avoid adding any clover. It can easily take over a small paddock and it always seems to creep in anyway.

The cost to do the above depends on the equipment on hand. You can rent a rototiller if you have a tractor to run it or rent a tractor with it. But if the soil is very compacted and or there is a lot of gravel I don’t think it will get deep enough for your needs.

If you have crop/tillage farmers in the neighborhood they would have the equipment and usually charge by the acre, $15-30 per acre. But that is for large acreage. For only 2 acres it would depend on how far they have to haul their equipment. For this I would charge by the job. Again without looking at the sight $1000+.

After the seed bed is prepared I would broadcast around 50 lbs of seed, drag and then roll.

So, for the above I would guess around $1,500-$2,000 under ideal conditions. If you have to haul in good top soil that will add CONSIDERBLY to the cost. Plus the cost of fertilizer.

Most likely will want to do this in late August. But that is geographic specific. If things go according to plan you should be able to put horses on it late June, July of next year. Keep in mind that 2 acres is not going to stand up to a lot of horses grazing and or being turned on it regularly. It should stay “green” but not lush green. Don’t turn out when, wet or muddy.

2 acres is basically the size of a lot of rural residential housing. So if no farmers are available or interested a call to a landscape contractor will be needed. They might charge twice as much.

Around here quality 3 board nailed oak fencing is around $5.50 per foot installed.

Installing water lines in your area is a pretty easy DIY because I assume you don’t have to go too deep. You can rent a walk behind trencher. Not hard to operate but not easy either. Bit of a learning curve. Rocky soil changes things a lot. The materials are pretty cheap. 500 feet of ¾" black-poly pipe around here $200, hydrant $50-80, auto waterer depends on the make.

The cost of connecting it to existing plumbing depends on the access to it. 500 feet of direct bury 12-2 electric supply line, $300? Hook up is easy if you know how to do it. An electrician will charge a couple of hundred.

You all are awesome! Thank you for the suggestions and info.

Also, I don’t know if you can seed for turnout in one year, but, maybe. I would call the county and find out what they recommend.

Around here, what I have seen in previosuly un-pastured land, is tilling, planting a green fertilizer like rye grass and letting it overwinter. then in spring, tilling it under and planting the hay or pasture seed. This needs a full year before they go on it, so the following spring you could put horses on it. If someone knows a faster way, do it, but if you cut corners, you might have nothing after a season of horses.

I wouldn’t bother running a water line. Haul water in a truck and put the money towards fencing. I also wouldn’t bother running electricity – choose another type of fence or look into solar fencing.

I would prioritize some sort of small shelter above running water + electricity. Maybe you can scrape the gravel all into one area and build a small shelter there?

It is also my understanding that you need to wait at least 2 years before grazing horses on a new pasture.

I would prioritize gravel moving, fence, shelter, in that order, and worry about the grass later. You could probably cut it in half with temporary fence to get the grass growing on one side, then switch.

2.3 acre pasture.

Good mare/foal mix (timothy, blue grass, etc.) just bought a 25lb bag for $80 a few weeks ago to over seed a different pasture in a few spots. http://www.lacrosseseed.com/mare-foal-pasture-mix/ This would be about the most expensive pasture grass seed I imagine. It’s come up better than the yard seed I planted and watered this spring though. Something to be said for good seed.

Paid to have existing alfalfa plot killed in the fall. 2-4D mix. Co-op did it cheaply, as they were in the area spraying. Less than $200, I don’t recall.

Paid to have it raked twice and drilled (over 1k) and then the cost of seed and the cost of fertilizer (spread the fertilizer myself). Your project will need more work, because mine was already in alfalfa (not a parking lot). I posted on the costs at the time if you search, but I would add that seed and fertilizer have gone up since 2013. Mowing and sprayed broadleaf weeds once in the fall. Horses came out on it the following July. May/June was too wet–they would have destroyed it–lived on dry lot.

Nobody was willing to give me the “per acre” price for a 2 acre parcel, fyi, except the coop sprayer, because he already had the boom in the adjoining field.

It cost me $100 to bring in a dump truck of topsoil to cover a 24’ barn we took down. I can’t IMAGINE what it would cost to bring in enough topsoil for 2 acres…

You will pay for water by the foot–same with electric. So just call a couple people and ask. Here I am about 6’ deep and it was done with a back hoe. They trenched the electric a couple feet down only 15’ from a source and the water 75-80’ and guess which one cost more–electric! Getting the box and outdoor plug-ins was expensive.

I think your project sounds really expensive.

county extension office.

'd be more worried about contamination with car chemicals than the gravel, to be honest.
I have seen a bunch of turnrout areas that have been deliberately paved, to ward off mud, or to aid hoof wear. A load of good topsoil and compost can probably save you that expense.

Considering that it is nearly summer now, you won’t be able to plant anything at this time I would thing (again, county extension office. They should know when your rainy season starts!)

As to water, I agree, get a tank on a trailer.

"It is also my understanding that you need to wait at least 2 years before grazing horses on a new pasture"

All depends on geographic location, growing conditions, soil, seed bed prep, type of seed and how the Lord feels about you. I have had pretty good luck with 6-8 months in our area with limited turnout.

The 4th picture down on our webpage, http://www.gumtreestables.com/ is what a 50 acre field that was prepped as I outlined in my first comment and seeded in late March. That picture was taken in mid-July. About 4 months later.

When people ask me what should I prioritize when setting up a farm and or buying one with limited infrastructure. WATER, ease of watering. Especially if you have to deal with winter conditions and have more than a horse or two. Well-made auto waterers IMO are worth every penny. Heated ones for winter. Tank heaters are fine but they are watt hogs and EXPENSIVE to run. Auto waterers with heaters are far more efficient and cost a fraction to operate. Prioritize anything that is labor intensive and or time consuming. A lot of mowing to do, buy proper equipment sized to get the jobs done fast and efficiently and fun to operate.

I would not put water low on a priority list, especially if you are living in harsh conditions AND having to care for animals.

When the weather sucks, ease of maintenance wins.

If you live in a hot environment, having fresh, cool water easily available day after day, year after year is the way to go.

If you live in an environment that has ANY tendency to have freezing temperatures, having water that is in the liquid state easily available day after day, year after year is the way to go.

Trucking water in SUCKS!!! I had to do that the last few weeks before I left my old barn because the pump broke at the well. I was heading out of town for a planned trip and had to make sure enough water was on the property for 2 horses to drink AND enough for the barn sitter to wash off the poultice from my horse’s leg because the dumb a** went galloping around in the rain and tried to do a sliding stop. FAIL.

Water and electric run to the new paddock is a must.

How far from the water are we talking about? I think for 2 horses in a nice-weather-grazing-only paddock, running water isn’t a high priority.

I’m assuming that there won’t be more than 2-3 horses out there, and that they won’t be out 24/7. If this is going to be an all-weather paddock, and the horses are going to live out there, then sure, put in water and electric – but good heavens don’t be fussing around wiht trying to make it “pasture”.

I live in Northern Ontario and I don’t have running water to the barn & paddocks. It would be nice but definitely not necessary.

i do have electric to heat the water in the winter, though.