[QUOTE=findeight;7631310]
Somebody has to speak up. Attacking the speaker not only comes off as sour grapes, it does not change the fact she has a point. A very good point.[/QUOTE]
You’re right, it is a very good point and now that I have read the Commentary, I am impressed with COTH’s willingness to tackle such serious subjects, and to allow a junior to have her say about such an important topic. I was surprised to read that they were warned against printing it, but I suppose I should not be.
OK COTH sleuths , who is michaelwatkins? Who’s bored and has internet plus spare time?
[QUOTE=findeight;7633217]
OK COTH sleuths , who is michaelwatkins? Who’s bored and has internet plus spare time?[/QUOTE]
Honestly I don’t know and I don’t care. I hope someone close to him and the situation AKA his child, or the Trainer or friend will tell him that this isn’t really appropriate. Holy moley would I be upset if I were the trainer or the owner if someone was repeating this on a public online message forum.
Let me tell you something Mr. Watkins, nothing and I repeat nothing makes you seem more horrid than gossiping about a child, especially if it is a child you are competing against. Even if what you are saying is 100% fact (which I doubt because your not a primary source) at best you seem petty and jealous.
May I offer you some advice. While gossiping as an adult my seem like fun and entertaining (especially when you are not riding and just watching your money ride by as my dad would say) it sets a terrible example for your child, the children at your barn, and any child that might overhear. You as an adult need to set a good example and say oh that’s too bad and move the conversation forward and not dwell on it. Unfortunately you are not gossiping with friends you are gossiping with the riding public in this situation.
If you can’t engage in idle chit chat may I suggest an alcoholic beverage, the back seat of a golf cart, or bleachers and a smart phone. Otherwise as a client of someone else’s business it does not just reflect poorly on you it reflects very poorly on the trainer and barn drama and barn gossip is very off putting for potential clientele.
Whether a horse is over-worked or not is perhaps subjective, but to me showing every week at Thermal, in 8-12 jumping classes per week, is over-worked.
This is not the first time that poster has chosen to talk badly about the equitation riders.
Really a terrible shame, given that the poster is substantially older than those being talked about.
[QUOTE=busylady;7633508]
Whether a horse is over-worked or not is perhaps subjective, but to me showing every week at Thermal, in 8-12 jumping classes per week, is over-worked.[/QUOTE]
are you serious? Are people really doing that?
Per USEF records (a pretty reliable source), people really are doing it. The horse Lamont, which is the horse Champ rode, was exhibited throughout the entire 2014 Thermal circuit. Hopefully he will be the poster child for new regulations. It’s odd to me though, if horses were a business for me and if I has a valuable horse, I would want to limit the use of the horse in order to preserve my value (in addition to wanting yo protect the horse, which for me goes without saying).
Pretty sure I know who michaelwilkins is… :lol::winkgrin:
[QUOTE=busylady;7633907]
Per USEF records (a pretty reliable source), people really are doing it. The horse Lamont, which is the horse Champ rode, was exhibited throughout the entire 2014 Thermal circuit. Hopefully he will be the poster child for new regulations. It’s odd to me though, if horses were a business for me and if I has a valuable horse, I would want to limit the use of the horse in order to preserve my value (in addition to wanting yo protect the horse, which for me goes without saying).[/QUOTE]
That is really a lot. Even assuming the rider has a practice horse for lessons and there’s minimal schooling before classes— that is really, really a lot.
[QUOTE=dish face;7631656]
In regards to the whole, “leasing a horse out year after year/ final after final” I feel like these are the owners who will never sit on these horses or have outgrown them and instead of selling them, prefer to keep them, cost free, and get a regular return on them. They’re basically pimping these horses out. Everytime the horse blinks, someone new is riding him; and while he’s out putting wear and tear on his body and turning tricks, his “owner” is sitting pretty and getting paid. Granted, there are times when leasing is plenty appropiate. I work and live 3hrs away from my barn and leased my horse out to a sweet little girl because I didn’t want him to become a pasture ornament at 11 years old. I didn’t sell him because I still plan on returning to the ring with him once I relocate back out that way. The girl just came off of ponies and is showing in the 2’6, which is a nice break for him from the 3’3 and 3’6. But those poor horses that just get passed around, and never have real consistency in their lives, I feel badly for them.[/QUOTE]
Wow, ouch. I am an owner of a horse that is leased. He’s currently on his second leasee, but when this one is over, I’ll be looking for a third. I have absolutely no interest in selling my beloved horse. I showed him myself for 5 years before my young and green one became more of the center of my time, and the seasoned competitor went off to teach a new rider. I find good situations for him, monitor him closely, and am thrilled he can pay his own bills and give me a little money to show with.
Pretty judgmental to compare a Lessor to a pimp. What about all of those amazing horses that end up in horrible situations because they were sold, sold, sold and sold again until they were all used up and in a kill pen, do you think that situation is better?
I don’t think anyone on this board has pimped out their horse. At least not in the this sense of the word:
http://findlaydonnan.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/pimp-my-horse-extreme-edition.jpg?w=497&h=371
Yep. Our large is leased out right now. And he’ll be leased out again. But it’s not because we want to get money (seriously, do you even own a horse?) or just be the pretty owner or what have you. We do it so that when the pony is ready to retire, ready to hang his shoes up, he has a soft place to land. Because that, people, is what’s important. Welfare of the horse.
[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;7633939]
I don’t think anyone on this board has pimped out their horse. At least not in the true sense of the word:
http://findlaydonnan.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/pimp-my-horse-extreme-edition.jpg?w=497&h=371[/QUOTE]
Snicklefritz, I viewed that link with fear… but I opened it… and I’m so glad I did. Hysterical!
Agreed. This is why I’ve completely moved away from show barns and love to go on trail rides now (I just go out with a company I trust). It takes me back.
[QUOTE=Molly Sorge;7630891]
I’d encourage everyone interested in this article to also read the Commentary in this issue, which addresses Olivia’s Forum.[/QUOTE]
I have a subscription but can’t seem to find this online. Can you please give more specific instructions on where to find the commentary? Thanks!
[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;7633838]
are you serious? Are people really doing that?[/QUOTE]
Have you ever looked at what some do at WEF? Yes, people are really doing that and some of them are VERY big names.
[QUOTE=snaffle635;7634173]
I have a subscription but can’t seem to find this online. Can you please give more specific instructions on where to find the commentary? Thanks![/QUOTE]
Its on page 16 of the June 23-30 issue. Do you get your issue emailed to you? If so just click to open the magazine and page to the Commentary.
Darn, my COTH usually comes on Saturdays, but I think my mailman snitched it to read it first… I want to read this article!
[QUOTE=supershorty628;7634548]
Darn, my COTH usually comes on Saturdays, but I think my mailman snitched it to read it first… I want to read this article![/QUOTE]
Since you are a subscriber just read it in the online version. I don’t understand why you and Snaffle635 are not reading online. I get a paper copy of the magazine but I also receive an emailed copy in my inbox long before the print copy is even mailed.
[QUOTE=BAC;7634602]
Since you are a subscriber just read it in the online version. I don’t understand why you and Snaffle635 are not reading online. I get a paper copy of the magazine but I also receive an emailed copy in my inbox long before the print copy is even mailed.[/QUOTE]
I do as well, I just struggle to get it open because the quality of my internet connection is not very good :lol:
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