COTH articles: Thinking about lesson barns and horsemanship skills

This topic has been on my mind for a while - I have been thinking about two major losses in the industry since I started with horses as a pre-teen: the loss of a lot of lesson strings at reputable programs, and the loss of access to learn the horsemanship skills easily picked up as The Barn Rat. I’m thinking about young FiveStride, and how she would never be able to get started if she was 8 years old in 2024. Without lesson horses and “affordable” options to get started or get back in, so many people who CAN afford horses might never do so (or they get suckered into bad programs and burn out, or buy something on a whim and get scared, etc etc).

On that topic, today two articles popped up from COTH, both from the same author who runs a low level (EDIT: not meant to be a downer! The blogger said they cap at 2’ right now and I didn’t know how to phrase it. Beginner? Grassroots?) barn. One is about the move to a semester program, and the other to a level-based program where they incorporate riding and unmounted horsemanship skills into each level (which the riders test out of as they progress). These may have been talked about before but I couldn’t find the threads.

I found the articles intriguing, with the idea of lining up “riding lessons” to mirror the other extracurriculars kids may be involved in while providing predictable income to the barn. Having “levels” gives visibility and tangible progress to riders (and parents), while allowing substitute instructors to easily pick up lessons in a pinch and provide a worthwhile experience. Unmounted horsemanship skills are also built into the Levels, which I think is a great way to teach wrapping, taking temps/pulse, lunging, etc. in a way that compensates the instructor while keeping horse and human safe.

Here are the blogs:
https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/opinion-lets-normalize-semester-based-pay-ahead-riding-programs/

https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/leveling-up-improving-riding-lesson-programs-with-tiered-curriculum/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2CRJNs7hIEcth4dgKdkBhJN43fkr6TXc_A1FyryQQyQX-B20OHmI9emvw_aem_wQlexCsLatx_MKZPMFU6Lw

Anyway, I’m just musing. As someone who loves to teach kiddos and beginners but has always seen lesson strings (along with boarding) as loss-leaders, I wonder if these types of programs have a chance of filling some of the gaps at the grassroots of our sport.

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We have a lesson string and barn rats, but it’s heavily subsidized by outside professional income and on a family farm with existing infrastructure, which helps (some) with overhead. A few concerns I have: (1) zero USEF support or respect for programs like this, probably because its origins are as the AHSA for horse show managers, (2) getting dubbed a “low level lesson barn” (I don’t think you meant any disrespect but that kind of phraseology has overtones that the instructors don’t know any better or can’t do more), and (3) people with the means to grow and help the base, and feed the pipeline of future horsemen, who would rather sponsor one big time junior hunter, or two ponies, or their own AA/AO at a hundred horse shows a year. I have been happy to see this blogger get some visibility on The Chronicle, and the industry needs to show more gratitude/less disdain for riding schools. In my neck of the woods, I get less recognition for putting a solid riding and horsemanship foundation on 100 students a week than if I had 7 lease kids in all the latest gear cruising around the 2’6" divisions at the local shows and a banner full of ribbons from competing against the other local show barns with the exact same business model…

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I edited to OP - I meant no disrespect to the barn by that phrasing.

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I mean… would they care? What kind of support or respect would USEF even provide? There’s a whole world out there to ride without ever getting a USEF membership. And that’s if you plan to show! Never plan to show, or run your own in-barn series? Even less of an issue. In certain places, you can show on competitive circuits almost every weekend, up to 3’3", before you need to touch USEF.

Sure, USEF brings the illusion of SafeSport compliance (the only relevant thing I could come up with as to why someone running this type of program would care), but it certainly doesn’t guarantee everything is kosher.

In what context? Are you saying that the person who would run this program is more likely to sponsor a junior hunter/pony/etc? I’m just wondering. Because I know a handful of people IRL - and more online - that have the means and some un-pursued (but much discussed) thought to run such a program… and absolutely NO desire to scale up to a full USEF show program or buy a pony. I don’t think these would be the same people.

I’m sure there are many more people who would just show their own horse! But I am thinking about the tendency of Horse People to be stuck in the way we’ve always done it - thinking outside the box (and/or taking some business classes lol) can help. For the small program owner/instructor, or even the established program looking for ways to keep the business running, or someone looking to setup an Academy to feed their “main” lease/owner based business.

Now this I can somewhat understand. But, if a starter/feeder program is very honest with themselves and others that their goal is to get people started, take them up to Y level, and then pass them on if they want to progress… what ‘recognition’ are we talking? General respect from other industry pros? If these programs aren’t even going up against the 2’6" Olympians at rated shows (they might not even offer jumping that height!) I’m not sure where the issue might be. Social media? These are asked from a place of good intent, please understand. If a “riding school” is going to succeed, they can’t also be wishing they were a “show program” and resenting their niche in the market.

(Also, riding school is a good term. I will use that going forward.)

I grew up (ish started at 14) in a program with levels. I started in regular lessons then got with a non profit barn that has/had riding levels. There were 4? Total I believe. Each level had a ridden and written test. Passing a test granted you certain privileges, such as riding bareback or riding out on the trails, riding in the big arena (vs the smaller one where everyone started but no one wanted to stay). In some ways it was miles more formal than most lesson programs (the written tests for one) but also much less formal as there were no lessons or trainers. It was up to the more experienced kids to teach the newer or less experienced kids. There was no level required, you could stay at entry level forever but by the nature of the privileges no one wanted to. Most stopped at the second highest level. The highest level was a multi part ridden test (field and arena) with jumps, lateral work, etc along with a very long written exam. In my time with the organization, only 3 (myself included) passed that level.

I loved that program mostly. I think a lot of lesson barns could benefit from written and practical tests beyond basic brushing and grooming. I don’t see it happening though - adding “homework” to a kids already full plate wouldn’t go over well in most cases.

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I teach the Never Evers/Up Downers at a very casual barn. It’s a community farm tended to by volunteers. They feed, clean, do chores, repair, and whatever needs to be done around the facility. Aside from horses (about 18 or so), the farm has goats, rabbits, calves, chickens, ducks, pigs, and more. It is a no frills/do it yourself type place. It also has several instructors who specialize in one discipline or another. I am the beginner hunt seat instructor. I have to admit that when I first saw the place I was prepared for backyard style horses and riders. I gave a lesson to the intermediate kids just so the owner could see my style and what I know. The riders surprised me! They all rode very well! The horses were all well suited and the rider had good equitation and feel. These kids do pony club, eventing, local h/j shows, and dressage. They also have fun with the horses by taking them on trails, to a lake to go swimming in the summer, and gymkhanas just to name a few. The barn itself needs some love but the volunteers are working on that. All the horses live out together in one large turnout area. It can get very muddy and sloppy. The barn has 4 stalls but they opened up the back of each stall and they feed into the turnout run. Horses will sometimes stand in the stall part just to get some shade (there are two shelters in the turnout) or just hang out. One stall opens to a separate run where one horse and 4 donkeys reside. Most of the horses have a part time leasor to help cover costs. Those horses are the ones that the intermediate and advanced students ride in their lessons. My beginners aren’t ready to lease but I talk to them about doing it in the near future so they will have a goal. There are about 6-7 horses who aren’t fully leased and those are the ones I can select for my lessons. I don’t have to pay for a lease to use them. They are taken care of by the barn owner. I’m also covered under her insurance. It’s really a sweet deal for me. Ok, getting to my point…

I have been there since the end of July (started by doing two weeks of day camp) and started teaching on a regular basis around the end of August. They needed a new instructor for the up/downers because the last one suddenly left and left some students hanging. The owner hired me based on what she saw when I taught that first lesson and day camp. I focus on safety and horsemanship before the riding part. I teach grooming, horse behavior, how to catch and lead a horse, horse anatomy, etc. We usually spend the first 15-20 minutes on horsemanship. I also quiz my students to see what they remember from eeek to week. Then I add a couple things more such as parts of the tack or another horse part. My kids run from ages 5-12 so I hear a lot of varied answers. I also use that time to get to know my students as a whole. I then use that information to create a relationship between the horses and their personalities. I also focus on safety. I require all my students to wear their helmets any time they are on the property. They must have proper riding boots (and half chaps should they want them). No cowboy boots for h/j lessons. Proper clothing for any type of weather. The weather here changes on a dime so layering is key. They are never allowed to say “I can’t”. They have to switch it to I can or I will. They need to be on time and come with their ears, eyes, and brains turned on. They aren’t to go into a stall/run by themselves. They have to retrieve their tack and groom while I assist as needed. There is no running or loud voices. But mostly, NO WHINING or else they don’t ride. Riding is the reward for getting the horse ready themselves (with my complete supervision). When they are all ready, they will take the horse into the arena. My students all start on the longe line until after many lessons, I feel comfortable letting them ride without me holding them. I always walk/jog alongside with them the entire time. I never step away into the middle of the arena or sit down. They ride for about 30 minutes then they have to untack and not leave until their horse and tack are properly put away.

Ok, I’ve gone on long enough. What I’m getting to is that I focus on the absolute basics and explain the how and why we do the things we do when riding. I tell my kids that the hardest part about riding, is riding. I also tell them that my job is to keep them safe and that’s not feasible to do that if they don’t learn how to ride properly. I’ve been told by many trainers that I am filling a void that is desperately needed in this industry. I agree but it’s sad that there are only a few of us who start the kids slowly instesd of seeing dollar sign and push the kids quickly through the ranks so the parents will buy a high five to six figure horse within the first year of lessoning. I don’t care about any of that. I have zero desire to take kids to shows. I’m also a professional Braider, groom, and I judge. So I see enough horse show drama. I know I don’t have the patience to put up with any of that. When my students are ready to move up to leasing and/or jumping/showing, I send them to the true h/j or dressage trainer there. Only leasors are allowed to ride with them. I love their style of teaching so I’m happy to do so. The atmosphere at the “farm” is far more relaxed yet all the riders ride as if they are in a fancy place. I think their skills show that building up the foundations of riding pays off. It shows up in the riding regardless of the horse they ride.

I have around 15 students and I have a waiting list. I’m going to open up some more afternoons just to fit them in due to all the inquiries I’m getting.

I hope more people start going back to teaching the basics otherwise we will have a new generation of “trainers” who don’t know enough to care for the horses and riders. The horses and riders will suffer greatly. That could lead to a complete deterioration of our sport.

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I love hearing this! It sounds like you have a great situation that’s working for you, and that you care quite a lot about your students. Making horsemanship and basic skills just part of the curriculum is something I really think is important for teaching new (and old! :joy:) riders.

Thinking outside the show ring as well - if you(g) never have the chance to learn things like basic horse body language, first aid, simple groundwork for safety, how and where to tie a horse, how to spot “hazards” in the environment, etc. then if you(g) go out and buy a horse… it’s easy to become the “problem boarder” who “lacks common sense”. Horse people are crazy, but if you don’t even have a foundation or frame of reference for safety and sense, I think a perfectly sensible person can
A. Get sucked into the really stupid woo-woo side of social media “horsemanship” while lacking the skills to pick out what makes sense and ignore the rest
B. Be unable to “read between the lines” of barn rules and expectations
C. Become entirely dependent on a Professional that may or may not have the horse’s best interests in mind

People just don’t have the same understanding of animals (in general) as they used to, because it’s becoming less and less common to be in contact with anything other than your neighbor’s golden retriever. We all start somewhere and if your family or neighbors don’t have horses and your parents don’t just buy something on a whim, that start is likely to be the riding school (if it exists!).

Anyway I’m not sure this makes sense, but I’ve been musing on “kids these days” and how often it is suggested on this board that someone go find a reputable lesson barn and forget about leasing or buying, join Pony Club (which requires you to own or lease to really benefit IMO), half lease (but who would half lease to a dead beginner they don’t know?), etc.

Meanwhile the biggest burnout factor (right after general inflation) I see with people who no longer run a program is… cancellations and billing issues. Thinking of riding lessons more as an intro sport for beginners vs a full blown, high commitment training program from Day One makes sense to me, if someone is interested in that niche.

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I know you already know this but the money part is why (IMO) these more holistic, true horsemanship programs don’t exist. The program I was a part of was a non profit so all horses were donated (there were 15-25 org owned horses at any point with a max of 2 riders assigned to a horse though many only had one rider so were essentially leased), the 150 acre property was maintained by the parents of the kids in the program including growing and baling the hay for the winter, and fees were CHEAP (like $65/ month to ride an org horse at least once a week or under $100/ month to board your own). With inflation that type of organization isn’t really feasible anymore even with the volunteering, fundraising, and LCOL in its area. It’s dying a slow death sadly.

I’ve long wanted to start a program like the one I was in (but less limited, the one I talk about was only for girls 14-18 as it was a Girl Scout troop decades ago and those rules carried over) and add in some OTTB retraining, but it just isn’t financially sustainable if only for the number of horses I would need to run that kind of program (not to mention the facilities which I know we’ve talked about in your other thread in Around the Farm). It’s the same problem “regular” lesson barns have WRT the very small profit margin possible when teaching on barn owned lesson horses (vs client owned horses). While I’d love to be wealthy enough to do it just for the love of it, unfortunately I (and most equestrians, especially the ones I know that would do this type of gig) am not wealthy like that. It isn’t a small task to take on time wise, so isn’t something that could be done with a FT job unless you find an existing facility owned and managed by someone else, with an existing string of horses (again owned and paid for by someone else), and only come in for teaching. But by the time you give the barn and horse owners a cut there wouldn’t be much left. These wouldn’t be lessons at $100/hour. More like $45 (likely less around here)/ hour.

Idk. It’s hard to convince kids to do the not so fun things (watched a group of teens learn how to get a horse on the bit at the trot last night and they were dying :joy: they normally jump) and have their parents pay the same for it as a “fun” lesson (jumping, barrel racing, what have you). The convincing was done by the added privileges in my old program and softened to the parents by being much cheaper than lessons.

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The “Equine Industry” as many of us have known it in decades past is dying, or is already dead. The world has “moved on” (Stephen King). Young riders are not being taught to be horsemen, just “riders”. Someone else does the training. Horses are being treated like machines. Drugs are the cure, instead of horsemanship. With the BIG MONEY being the lure, instead of the desire to be a horseman. The expense wipes out a lot of actual participation these days. And the lure of “instant gratification” is not a part of becoming a horseman. Becoming a horseman takes a long time, lots of falls and failures along the way, and the input of MANY who have come before you. This isn’t popular any more. Some of it isn’t “FUN”, and there aren’t any ribbons involved.

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I will say it’s not all doom and gloom. My barn has a very healthy lesson program with a handful of barn rats that are there nearly everyday. All of the kids groom and tack themselves, grab horsey from stall or paddock, and are generally well rounded (some even do western, halter, and dressage but that’s likely more due to our awesome trainer bringing those experiences in to our barn). I don’t think they could correctly tell me different conformation faults, name all the parts of all types of saddles or bits, or more than very, very basic first aid (all parts of the aforementioned written tests from old org). But they get on just fine and aren’t helpless as some posts here may lead everyone to believe. I’m sure there are kids that show and ride well and haven’t ever picked up a hoof pick, but that’s not the case in my area or experience thankfully.

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To be fair, this is exactly what the author has done. Now, I don’t know how they funded the purchase of property and schoolies, but the owner is a HS teacher who does this on the side. Granted they hired a head trainer when a child came along and the program grew, but I think it’s interesting that they have found something that works. Could they be 100% funding it from family money and misrepresenting everything online? Sure. I haven’t looked into it that deep, I just thought it was an interesting pivot they made!

Sure… unless you MAKE it fun, and part of the expectation from the start. The author talks a little about this, including how they use the levels to incentivize kids to WANT to learn these things out of the saddle. Using the independence and extra ride time of learning how to tack up your own horse before the lessons, for example. I’m not saying it would work for EVERY family/client, but if you set up the idea that ground training/flatwork/whatever is fun and rewarding and not torture, that goes a long way. You’ll always have some riders who just don’t value the horsemanship skills out of the saddle, and they will find other programs.

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Oh this is true too! Some places have found a way to make a traditional setup work for them, and I support them wholeheartedly!

I have just been mulling over how “the horse industry” is “dying” because “no one wants to put in the hard work”… but a lot of people aren’t given the opportunity to DO that work (or learn how) if they aren’t already deep into the hobby. Or everyone makes it seem like a chore when these things can be very fun and rewarding - yes even to kids - if the instructors themselves find ways to make it interesting and motivating.

ETA: I’m not saying any of this would fix everything or make every program profitable, but I do think a shift in the default approach to beginner lesson programs/riding schools might open up opportunities to make it work. With a lot of luck and the right situation of course. Very rarely is the top level gymnastics coach ALSO teaching Tumbling 101, and that’s kind of what horse people try to do - while undercharging and undervaluing their expertise, and not creating enforceable policies to keep the program afloat.

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Ah that’s my bad - I didn’t read the links, sorry! I will do that now.

I think some of the reason there may be “holes” (using that loosely) in my barn’s kids’ knowledge is: they don’t know what they don’t know - they don’t know to ask about something because they don’t know it’s a thing and I think a larger part is that for most kids in 2024 owning a horse is a very lofty goal, forget about having them at home. Sounds insane but hear me out. I wanted to learn (and did as much as was possible) everything about horses because I was convinced I would one day have a farm with 10-15 horses that I would need to care for. So things like facility management, nutrition, trailering, lots of first aid care, training “problem” horses, tack care and repair, etc were on my list of things to learn. I don’t think as many kids these days have that same goal/ dream as they are more aware of how unattainable it is for the majority of people. I grew up riding with several families who boarded a horse at that non profit but also had herds of horses at home. That isn’t the case as often these days.

Maybe they just don’t care, maybe the trainers don’t care but I do think the overall shift to less people owning horses is at least part of it. You simply don’t need to know as much if you don’t own. There are also some who don’t care to know more, they are happy simply participating in riding as they would in any other sport: show up to practice and competitions and that’s it. While that isn’t the “ideal horseman”, I think we need to be careful not to degrade or alienate those people. We need all the support and participants we can get.

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What I was trying to say is that as an industry, we tend to give all the kudos to the Dr. Betsee Parker types who will fund a few high end horses or riders, and we fundraise for the international teams and grants, but we don’t see any concerted industry effort to recognize the riding schools that feed the pipeline for the rest of the industry. I agree that USEF is irrelevant to what I do, but why should it be? Shouldn’t a national federation for equestrian sports have some kind of programming to support riding schools, or help families navigate that process? Why fundraising and grants for the international teams, but not the points of entry for people to participate in the sport?

I will also tell you that the lack of industry respect for riding schools in turn makes it difficult to recruit personnel to riding schools. I don’t think there is the same issue on the training side: someone can specialize in giving young horses a good foundation, and they don’t get dubbed a “low level trainer” or “up down trainer.” But someone who specializes in giving newer riders a good foundation gets tagged with those labels, as though their own skill set or knowledge base only extends up to a limited level. There is an industry presumption that riders quickly outgrow these programs, and I really doubt that. I think you could ride for years without tapping out the extent of what can be learned at a good riding school with quality horses. But if that riding school is busy giving 50 lessons a weekend instead of chasing “2’6” Olympic" glory that same weekend, people act like the show barn kids outgrew or exhausted all that could have been learned back at the riding school, and the riding school just couldn’t keep up. Try getting a young pro who holds that attitude to come back and teach and train at a riding school–very hard to do.

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This is a great but entirely separate point. Unfortunately, the upper “class” of riding (barns that show more than 50% of the year, that have more imports than domestic, that have everyone in a full package training and grooming) aren’t seeing the same effects from the loss of land and increase in COL overall that the more grassroots or middle “class” barns have and thus remain mostly as full as they want to be. I say “unfortunately” as those “upper class” barns are USEFs true target market (IMO). They could care less about the AAs that scrimp and save to show two rated shows a year or the kid on a lesson pony somehow qualifying for pony finals in a one off. They care for the individuals who bring them consistent revenue, which is that upper “class” (I use class instead of level as there are plenty of ground pole, cross rail kids at those barns in addition to riders competing at higher levels). Why would they invest time and money into the grassroots or middle “class” categories when those aren’t the individuals that bring USEF money? Should USEF be focused on the good of the sport vs the income it brings? Absolutely. Do I believe that is the case at all? Nope. Maybe I’m a cynic :woman_shrugging:

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Most of the responses above reminded me of being at barns with active Pony Clubs. Horse management skills and riding lessons went hand-in~hand.

Is Pony Club still a viable organization?

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I was going to say the same, that the articles and the programs mentioned really just reinvented the wheel established by Pony Club - including the grading system and testing out of specific levels.

As with all horse things it seems a multi-faceted problem. The money isn’t in teaching kids or beginners how to ride. It’s in the boutique training programs for rich (amateur) clientele. That’s unlikely to be the average SAH mom wanting a good healthy outlet for her 12 y/o daughter.

Land costs are pushing barns out because the highest and best use is in residential, not agriculture - very few places in HCOL areas can hang on – which is a shame because the HCOL areas are what could realistically support a buzzing industry of barns.

Pony Club is feeling the dearth of these programs too. I’m still in PC as an adult. It’s worlds different than when I was a teen.

I think instant gratification has always been a problem in this industry but now the class divide is even bigger than it was two decades ago, so it seems more prevalent.

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Yes, and no. I didn’t bring up Pony Club because it really requires you to own or lease to get the maximum benefit. Unless your barn runs the Club or takes kids to meets, you also need reliable access to other transportation. There are some options to work around these obstacles, but they are obstacles to a lot of people who might be interested in Pony Club.

I have heard this several times. For good or ill, the kids (and adults!) doing it now are getting a different experience. I never did PC (see the transportation issue above, plus once I owned a horse I was fully invested in showing) but my friends did. A kiddo at my barn now does PC, and I have to say I don’t love the experience for them. A lot depends on the quality of your local club for sure.

Absolutely. An instructor friend runs something like this - she does NOT take on kids and she does NOT take on beginners. It’s mostly re-riders that move up to leasing/owning very quickly. Some are more nervous and lease a few schoolmaster from the barn, some are scrappy riders ready to work with green projects. It works really well for the niche she has carved out!

But I wonder… what happens when that clientele ages out? How many kids from non-horsey families are getting a start in riding? I guess I’ve been wondering about that - if we(g) just… give up and say “well it’s just never profitable” and only cater to currently-involved-in-horses people, that grassroots base starts to crumble.

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I have judged the USPC Championships three times. This year the participation was down by a large number. It was also the first time we had kids coming up to the officials and arguing their scores with us. It is an electronic timer, ladies. “But , I have video…” Ugh

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:scream::scream::scream:

That is… shocking! Unless it’s egregiously off, it’s hard to argue with a laser timer.

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