Could This Gelding Be Considered a Dutch Warmblood?

His sire is a TB. His dam is DWB x TB (her dam is DWB).

Ask over on the Sporthorse Breeding Forum. Many WB studbooks approve various combinations of breeds of the type and performance standard they prefer. Most aren’t breeds as we generally know them. The Breeders would know how the DWB folks figure out what is and what isn’t acceptable.

Do you have the breeding in the DWB grandam? Could be a lot of the right type TBs behind that one too, or SF or similar " blood" influence.

My US bred JC registered TB was often mistaken for DWB, never bothered to correct them. It was the DWB type.

Unless he is by one of the 8 TB stallions approved by KWPN as Erkend stallions, and the mare was approved into the KWPN books, he is not eligible as Dutch Warmblood, he is a TB cross.

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Considered as and eligible for registration are two different things.

Indeed really are and eligible for registration are two different things.

I certainly see my share of nice enough horses that really do have some breeding, for whom the registration paper trail was lost and never can be found again.

Really is an Arab , a Lusitano, a qh. Can’t be registered.

Considered as is just someone’s opinion.

If you are after resale value really you need registered. Until the horse is a proven competitor.

DWB is generally used to indicate the Danish Warmblood registry. DHH is Dutch Harness Horse, and KWPN is used for Dutch Warmblood.

Only mentioning this to avoid confusion. :slight_smile:

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No, not a Dutch WB.

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DHHs are also in the KWPN registry. You can’t tell the difference unless you know the breeding. Verdades’ dam is a DHH.

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If you mean KWPN, not “DWB,” it is possible he could be eligible for registry with KWPN IF his dam was registered/approved for breeding and his sire happened to be one of the very few TB stallions approved by them.

Otherwise, it would be both incorrect and tacky to refer to him as a dutch warmblood. You could say, “dutch warmblood cross” if you really want to use the term.

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No, not a Dutch Warmblood. However, certainly may be a nice horse. For the purpose of an advertisement, etc, most accurately described as a Thoroughbred-Dutch WB cross. Unless as mentioned above the stallion involved is on one of those very short lists and the dam was registered KWPN or NAWPN.

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Who are the 8 TB stallions? I looked online and found a list of erkend stallons, but it didn’t say which were the TB’s

Albaran
Coconut Grove
Hopalong Cassidy
Kreator
Roven
Sit This One Out
Watermill Swatch
Wilawander

http://kwpn-na.org/kwpn-erkend/

If the mare was registered KWPN (common misconception that they have to be “approved for breeding” to produce foals) then yes it is possible to get KWPN Register B papers if DNA is available on both parents. If the mare is not registered KWPN or by an Erkend (approved) studbook, then no, no registration possibilities with KWPN and therefore (in my opinion) should not be called KWPN.

Not necessarily true. Mares don’t have to be approved for breeding to produce KWPN foals. We have two foals in our books by Grindstone (a TB stallion, not approved with any registry). His foals are just Register B as he was not approved anywhere. To get Foalbook papers though you’d be right, he’d have to be out of either a KWPN mare or a mare from an Erkend studbook and by a KWPN approved stallion or individually Erkend stallion.

so you have two Grindstone/KWPN foals? What are they like? I’ve always liked the Grindstone TBs I met, but there aren’t many of them around here anymore…