[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8664671]
They will get the LE involved if a vet thinks there is abuse and the case manager thinks there is reason to press charges.[/QUOTE]
I am well aware of the fact that LE would need to be involved. I was attempting to clarify the implication that, on their own, ASPCA cannot file criminal charges as they have no standing.
[QUOTE=Color of Light;8664755]
You are welcome. I care a lot about animals.
I agree![/QUOTE]
If youâd been driving through Yellowstone National Park, would you have put a bison calf in the back of your vehicle because you were afraid it was cold???
[QUOTE=Color of Light;8664755]
You are welcome. I care a lot about animals. [/QUOTE]
If youâd been driving through Yellowstone National Park, would you have put a bison calf in the back of your car because you were afraid it was cold???
[QUOTE=WhereâsMyWhite;8665124]
If youâd been driving through Yellowstone National Park, would you have put a bison calf in the back of your vehicle because you were afraid it was cold???[/QUOTE]
And then be upset when a citation was issued.
Hey OP, you interfering lil busybody. How dare you monitor and care about the well being of a downed critter in a pasture. That critter is that farmerâs property and he can do with it as he sees fit. Who are you to question the treatment of a suffering animal?
And if there were more people like you on this planet, there sure would be a lot less suffering. Thereâs no excuse for the vile responses youâve received on this thread. What a bunch of sick whackos.
I saw that story on the ticker tape on tv - what was that about?
[QUOTE=cnvh;8664935]
Iâm still shaking my head at the thought of OP surveilling the neighborâs farm 24/7 with binoculars. You donât sleep? You donât walk away to prepare yourself a sandwich? It only takes you 2 minutes to pee??? You havenât left your home at all in the past 2 weeks??? There is literally NO way you are watching this cow round-the-clock with no breaks and no chance for the cowâs owner to have done something you might have missed.
If youâre going to sit here and claim there is NO chance for you to have missed something, then it means you must have security cameras trained at this downed cow for the brief moments you step away from your window. Otherwise, I call bulls***.
Sorry, OP⊠While I agree that your heart is in the right place, you are really coming off as bit of a creeper.[/QUOTE]
She passed a âbit of a creeperâ a long time ago. She couldnât be creepier if she drove a beat up white panel van. Iâm not advocating animal abuse, but the level of surveillance is she insinuates she has is obscene.
Thank you for caring OP. Whether others feel youâre a âstalkerâ or not doing enough because youâre not banging on the neighbors door. In this day and age I wouldnât either, the phone can sometimes be all you need. No need to get shot, hopefully he will shoot the poor girl and get her out of her misery. Farmer or not, livestock or pet, no need for animals to suffer.
[QUOTE=WhereâsMyWhite;8665124]
If youâd been driving through Yellowstone National Park, would you have put a bison calf in the back of your vehicle because you were afraid it was cold???[/QUOTE]
Not even remotely the same situation as the op. Especially considering Bison are wild and itâs very illegal to just snatched wild animals without a permitâŠ
That was a very ridiculous comparison.
[QUOTE=WhereâsMyWhite;8665131]
If youâd been driving through Yellowstone National Park, would you have put a bison calf in the back of your car because you were afraid it was cold???[/QUOTE]
I was very confused when I first heard that story, too. I couldnât understand how the person survived snatching a calf from itâs mother.
There is much more to that story. The bison calf was orphaned (yeah, that made more sense. Mama bison donât let their babies go for joyrides willingly). They took baby to a ranger and were issued a citation. Reporting the calf would not have been a problem, but removing the calf was illegal. The tourists were probably aware of a current outbreak of illness among Yellowstone bison and wanted the rangers to provide vet care to the orphan (the mama bison died from the illness).
At first, this appears logical. Unfortunately, the park rangers do not treat wild animals. They took the calf, issued a citation, because removing the wild calf was illegal (and extremely dangerous). The rangers then returned the calf to the herd. The calf later died. The park service doesnât treat animals. They are conservationists; not a zoo. They are not there interfere with the wild animals, even if it means watching a little calf die.
It is sad and I understand why the people were concerned. Iâm sure the rangers were sad for the calf, too, but they were following their mission. Iâm sure the calfâs body was not wasted.
The nastiness directed at the OP for being concerned about an animalâs welfare is dismaying.
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8665243]
The nastiness directed at the OP for being concerned about an animalâs welfare is dismaying.[/QUOTE]
I agree. And the jump people are making from the OP watching a poor animal in distress within eyesight of her home and wanting to help, to people taking Bison calves and thinking fat cats are pregnant⊠just wow. And comparing her to a creeper in a napper van? That is so far beyond the pale itâs mind boggling.
Must be some unhappy people to pick on the OP in this way.
It is not that it is the insinuation that she knows better than the farmer and as well as the LE that she has called. It is the insinuation that those of us who have cattle abuse them if we donât euthanize a calving paraylisis, or move it to the barn or whatever she seems the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=MoonWitch;8664916]
Iâm just going to relate to a story that happened to me. I had four very plump, happy barn cats. A lady riding by the barn one day, took it upon her self to notice my cats and call me later. She informed me (on voicemail) that my cats were all âhorribly pregnantâ and if I didnât intend on doing something, she would be happy to come gather them up and take care of the problem. I called her back to politely decline since three of the four were males and all were already neutered. :eek:
Just sayinââŠ[/QUOTE]
I am glad there are people looking out for animals, even if on occasion it is over zealous or misguided. In your case, a simple phone call cleared it up. No harm was done. I have a story, I left my dog in my car (windows half open) to run into a store on a moderate temperature day, a lady inside the store called the security guard that a dog was left in a hot car. I went outside and cleared it up, big deal it took 5 minutes. I thanked the lady for her concern. Because dogs have been left in hot cars here and died.
Too many times we read about animals that starve or suffer horribly for months and even die, right in plain view of people or at least in locations where somebody must have seen them, and nobody called animal control or did anything about it.
Years ago I ignored an animal in distress thinking âsomebody elseâ would take care of the situation, it haunts me to this day that the reality is very likely nobody stepped forward and I was the one who saw it and I should have helped the animal (I have helped animals, adopted them and reported since then but in that case, did not)
I used to drive thru Yellowstone in sports cars, mine or my then boyfriendâs cars, but with 2 dogs and my siamese cat so no room to pick up a bison calf. But I sure would have called or stopped a park ranger if I had found one in distress or even lying too close to the road.
The farmer/rancher should either shoot the cow or have the vet out to see if she can be saved. But then it is so much easier to let an animal just lie there and suffer. As for TV, Iâve always told the investigative reporters that if I ever did anything wrong Iâd stand on the courthouse steps and admit it (and then take it out on anyone Iâd given probation to who had done the act like murder) but that all I wanted was for them to interview me first. Like the time I got the death penalty on a child killer and then the Atlanta Murders happened and the idiot white bigot police chief tried to lump my murdered white kid in with all the black kids that Wayne Williams (and others) had murdered. I love investigative reporters like Richard Belcher who made sure they got it right before they jumped on people. So the farmer with the downed cow can have the opportunity to show that heâs really really concerned about Bossie and didnât haul her out of the barn because he didnât want her dying in there. So hard to get a dead animal out of a barn. I once had a BO who left her old mare out to die in sleet, even though I offered my Callieâs rambo rug, rather than putting the old mare in a stall for several days.
Call the TV stations, OP. That will spur animal control to get off the stick and get to work. I have known really bad animal control officers and really good caring animal control officers in both the city and the country, and it is sometimes incredibly frustrating to deal with the lazy ones. TV reporters do not act in a vacuum as they will interview the cowâs owner before reporting.
As for nosy neighbors, wow. Iâve lived in subdivisions in cities where my neighbors knew and watched everyone who came to my home. Including one who called the cops on my father who stayed at my home in Atlanta for a wedding while I was out of town. I told him to tell all the neighbors but he didnât. So I am so glad as I never was burgled in over 20 years.
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8665331]
I am glad there are people looking out for animals, even if on occasion it is over zealous or misguided.[/QUOTE]
I think this is the basis for some of the responses here. At what point does this go over the line?
Iâve had people go into my pastures and remove grazing muzzles and fling them on the other side of the road. Because muzzles are far more cruel than founder apparently??
[QUOTE=Chardavej;8665213]
Thank you for caring OP. Whether others feel youâre a âstalkerâ or not doing enough because youâre not banging on the neighbors door. In this day and age I wouldnât either, the phone can sometimes be all you need. No need to get shot, hopefully he will shoot the poor girl and get her out of her misery. Farmer or not, livestock or pet, no need for animals to suffer.[/QUOTE]
This is so true.
I have not seen the op go over the line. The posters drawing comparisons between her taking baby animals out of a state park and repeatedly posting about how sheâs a stalker have been out of line. How is coming back to a thread over and over to make comments about the op being a stalker better? I donât quite understand the gleeful pile on and pages and pages of bashing her. Seems like that isnât any better than the things sheâs been accused of.
[QUOTE=MoonWitch;8665350]
I think this is the basis for some of the responses here. At what point does this go over the line?
Iâve had people go into my pastures and remove grazing muzzles and fling them on the other side of the road. Because muzzles are far more cruel than founder apparently??[/QUOTE]
Where is âthe lineâ? In the case of animals and children, who cantâ speak out or escape or defend themselves, we should err on the side of helping, and risk a possible incidence of offending somebody. Is it THAT HORRIBLE to have on occasion a well meaning person mis interpret what they see? Are we traumatized for life because of it? Did your life get ruined because mis guided people removed a grazing muzzle? Those people were wrong to enter the pasture and should have asked you. (if you were reachable) Put up signs on fence what muzzles were for it if happened more than once.
I had gone from visiting a certain dog park when this happened, but was told about it by a reliable person (who was shamed at being one of the silent ones), that a couple kept bringing a severely thin dog to the park, people in the park told the couple to feed the dog more but NOBODY DID ANYTHING about it and it went on for a few months. I assume they did not want to offend the couple by calling Animal Control.
The dog died of starvation at one and a half years old. So what would have been worse, inconveniencing the owners or saving the dog? The line should be in favor of the animal and this kind of aggressive witch hunt against the OP is one of the reasons people keep quiet when there is a need to speak up.
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