[QUOTE=poltroon;8665400]
OP damaged her credibility by suggesting that this compromised cow has had no food or water for a week and has survived this long.[/QUOTE]
The only people to damage their credibility here are those who did not read what I wrote, but instead jumped to the conclusion that I said the cow “had no food or water for a week and survived this long”. That is not what I said.
[QUOTE=cschattner;8666072]
I am not so happy w people pulling surveillance on a person anymore.[/QUOTE]
Amen to that.
The implication is that anything is okay to do if you think it is the right thing to, regardless of your level of expertise and experience, no?
I am just waiting for someone to break into my van because they see a dog crate in it and they want to save my dogs… who will NOT be in the crate because I don’t drag my dogs with me everywhere I dog and when I do have them, I don’t leave them in my car. And, before anyone asks, it is not practical for me to remove the crate when I won’t have my dogs with me.
I get wanting to “do the right thing” but at some point a judgement filter needs to be applied that the “right thing” really is the right thing.
[QUOTE=Where’sMyWhite;8666643]
I am just waiting for someone to break into my van because they see a dog crate in it and they want to save my dogs… who will NOT be in the crate because I don’t drag my dogs with me everywhere [/QUOTE]
:eek:
You just gave me a new worry.
I have two crates in the back of my car. The plastic Veri-Kennel type, so seeing if there is a dog inside is not that easy.
I can totally picture some do-gooder who is wanting to save the world smashing my car windows only find there are no dogs in those crates.
I still don’t buy it.
When you focus your attention on a task in front of you, you do NOT always notice what is going on around you.
Using myself as an example, back in my school years, if I would finish my homework early, I’d usually grab my book I was reading to pass the time while the rest of my classmates finished up. There were many occasions that when I looked up, everyone was lined up at the door waiting for me. I was so “in tune” to my book that my brain ignored everything else going on around me.
The very same way that this “trick” works. Most people don’t even see the BEAR in the video until they watch it the second time and it’s been pointed out to them:
https://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
Your brain will focus on the task at hand, and ignore irrelevant information.
And if you’ve kept your entire attention on the field out the window instead of your work … well I would suspect you have not had a very productive week of work for your “big project”.
It is absolutely impossible for you to have seen 100% of everything that has gone on with the cow in question.
There’s nothing wrong with being concerned about the well-being of the cow. But be honest with yourself on what you have actually “seen” or “not seen” and don’t create false facts.
[QUOTE=trubandloki;8666647]
:eek:
You just gave me a new worry.
I have two crates in the back of my car. The plastic Veri-Kennel type, so seeing if there is a dog inside is not that easy.
I can totally picture some do-gooder who is wanting to save the world smashing my car windows only find there are no dogs in those crates.[/QUOTE]
But the consensus on this thread will probably be rather safe than sorry…you are supposed to put a sign on it saying empty I suppose. I just wonder who will pay to repair the window.
[QUOTE=sascha;8666473]
Horses are not cows though. We need to remember that. Cows are built to spend a lot more time reclining than horses. For dairy cows, a lot of money is spent on researching how to get them to lie down more so that they can be more productive. If they are not eating, drinking, or walking, they should be lying down. If they are not, they are sick.
I know we hear a lot about “down cows.” That is not a reference to how much a cow is lying down, but to her inability to get up.[/QUOTE]
This is a very good point as to how the phrase down/downer cows may have confused this thread. I realized there was a disconnnect when I think it was you suggested that you would not have used a tractor to pull the calf. The poster then assumed that instead of a tractor you meant that the calf should rot in the birth canal. All of us with cattle experience knew that you were referring to using a calf jack or pulling by hand in lieu of the tractor and it didn’t occur to us that not pulling the calf would even be thought of as an option.
Farmers need to start educating. If it is seen as rude. So be it. We have sat by for too long and let the non animal owning public make accusations that are far from true. I am amazed that so many people believe that we and those in animal science (and crop science as well) are somehow lying to everyone. Why is the Ag industry seen in this light? I don’t get it. I usually go to the source when I want information. I ask my banker about loans not my cardiologist. I just don’t understand how we have got to this point. And yes there is abuse and that needs to be called out but it is no more or no less than those who abuse horses or dogs or cats.
[QUOTE=Color of Light;8666620]
Once again: I was working from home on a big project…sitting at a computer facing a window. I don’t need binoculars to see movement occurring in a field smack in front of my face in my peripheral vision, causing me to glance up from computer.
No more a creeper than anyone else on any online forum.[/QUOTE]
Wait??? That is NOT what you said in your first post.
[QUOTE=beau159;8666690]
I still don’t buy it.
When you focus your attention on a task in front of you, you do NOT always notice what is going on around you.
Using myself as an example, back in my school years, if I would finish my homework early, I’d usually grab my book I was reading to pass the time while the rest of my classmates finished up. There were many occasions that when I looked up, everyone was lined up at the door waiting for me. I was so “in tune” to my book that my brain ignored everything else going on around me.
The very same way that this “trick” works. Most people don’t even see the BEAR in the video until they watch it the second time and it’s been pointed out to them:
https://youtu.be/Ahg6qcgoay4
Your brain will focus on the task at hand, and ignore irrelevant information.
And if you’ve kept your entire attention on the field out the window instead of your work … well I would suspect you have not had a very productive week of work for your “big project”.
It is absolutely impossible for you to have seen 100% of everything that has gone on with the cow in question.
There’s nothing wrong with being concerned about the well-being of the cow. But be honest with yourself on what you have actually “seen” or “not seen” and don’t create false facts.[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting “shenanigans?”
To the OP: did you ever take any photos?
G.
Thanks for the update op. I really hope the cow continues to improve and makes it okay. Please do keep us updated. I’ve been checking this thread regularly, hoping for an update. 
[QUOTE=roseymare;8666708]
I am amazed that so many people believe that we and those in animal science (and crop science as well) are somehow lying to everyone. Why is the Ag industry seen in this light? I don’t get it. I usually go to the source when I want information. I ask my banker about loans not my cardiologist. I just don’t understand how we have got to this point. And yes there is abuse and that needs to be called out but it is no more or no less than those who abuse horses or dogs or cats.[/QUOTE]
I think you answered your own question. If/when anybody of any credentials attempts to shed light on abuse or possible abuse in the ag industry, they are attacked and unquestioning support is rallied around the farmer. This thread is a perfect example of that phenomenon but it happens all over the place in a startlingly consistent pattern. This is why the general public thinks we farmers have something to hide: because we act like we do.
Yes there is abuse and yes it needs to be called out, but we - the farming community- needs to be receptive to that outcry. We need to project the image that the well-being of our farmed animals is a top priority for us, and then walk that talk, instead of rushing to assume the whistleblower is an uneducated idiot/city slicker/vegan/whatever.
It really is no surprise that activists are focusing their attention on problems in the ag industry when we inside the industry refuse to acknowledge them, let alone change them.
[QUOTE=heronponie;8666785]
I think you answered your own question. If/when anybody of any credentials attempts to shed light on abuse or possible abuse in the ag industry, they are attacked and unquestioning support is rallied around the farmer. This thread is a perfect example of that phenomenon but it happens all over the place in a startlingly consistent pattern. This is why the general public thinks we farmers have something to hide: because we act like we do.
Yes there is abuse and yes it needs to be called out, but we - the farming community- needs to be receptive to that outcry. We need to project the image that the well-being of our farmed animals is a top priority for us, and then walk that talk, instead of rushing to assume the whistleblower is an uneducated idiot/city slicker/vegan/whatever.
It really is no surprise that activists are focusing their attention on problems in the ag industry when we inside the industry refuse to acknowledge them, let alone change them.[/QUOTE]
Also, who do they think buys these products and has the financial power over the farmer?
Uneducated idiot/city slicker/vegan/whatever
We don’t need you but you all definitely need us or just say goodbye to your livelihoods. Don’t bite the hand that keeps a roof over your head.
[QUOTE=moving to dc;8666740]
Wait??? That is NOT what you said in your first post.[/QUOTE]
My favourite part was, “smack in front of my face in my peripheral vision.” No matter how I contort my neck, I just can’t seem to get my peripheral vision smack in front of my face. What am I doing wrong? lol
Roseymare, education is exactly why I sometimes let myself get dragged into these threads. I can’t bear to see people misunderstanding something they know nothing or almost nothing about. It really frightens me nearly as much as US politics. :yes:
I honestly think that those of us who work with different species of animals need to keep our eyes open and our typing fingers limber to do our part to dispel some of the myths that get sent round by people who just don’t know and who think they know what is best for all animals all the time.
Cattle farmers/cattle ranchers are caring? Tell it to the cattle that starved to death years ago in Forysth County GA. Our chief medical examiner had his farm up there. He made big bucks working for Fulton county. But he starved his cattle to death. Spent most of his salary on booze when he wasn’t selling some organ, I think the thymus gland?, which he took w/o permission from all the murder and accident victims who were autopsied.
I have over the decades seen horses, dogs, cats, and cattle neglected and abused, not just by farmers/ranchers but by lots of humans from many different walks of life.
So more power to anyone who calls the cops or animal control on animals which they suspect are being neglected or starved or abused. And I had many friends in the news media, paper and tv, who were all ethical and who investigated their cases before they put it on the air or in print. Reporters in Atlanta did not overreact. They actually helped us all find out the truth, which is really what we are all looking for, isn’t it?
I live how everyone on this thread is suddenly a cattle expert totally able to tell over the internet how this cow is doing. I wonder how many have ever calved a cow or worked on a cow calf operation other than the OP and a few others who stated they work(ed) in the industry? I’m guessing none.
[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;8666812]
Cattle farmers/cattle ranchers are caring? Tell it to the cattle that starved to death years ago in Forysth County GA. Our chief medical examiner had his farm up there. He made big bucks working for Fulton county. But he starved his cattle to death. Spent most of his salary on booze when he wasn’t selling some organ, I think the thymus gland?, which he took w/o permission from all the murder and accident victims who were autopsied.
I have over the decades seen horses, dogs, cats, and cattle neglected and abused, not just by farmers/ranchers but by lots of humans from many different walks of life.
So more power to anyone who calls the cops or animal control on animals which they suspect are being neglected or starved or abused. And I had many friends in the news media, paper and tv, who were all ethical and who investigated their cases before they put it on the air or in print. Reporters in Atlanta did not overreact. They actually helped us all find out the truth, which is really what we are all looking for, isn’t it?[/QUOTE]
But why are you singling out cattle producers as not caring? Couldn’t you say the same thing for dog and cat and horse owners? There are dogs and cats and horses in those same starving situations. Very few people ever put dog and cat owners in that same speech about caring that people seem to trot out about farmers.
[QUOTE=roseymare;8666834]
But why are you singling out cattle producers as not caring? Couldn’t you say the same thing for dog and cat and horse owners? There are dogs and cats and horses in those same starving situations. Very few people ever put dog and cat owners in that same speech about caring that people seem to trot out about farmers.[/QUOTE]
Probably because farmers act like they have something to hide in how they run their businesses.
Dog, cat, and horse owners aren’t the ones trying to pass Ag Gag laws. So shady.
I was licked by raspy tongued cows for years. At my aunt and uncle’s farm, at Bethesda Orphanage daily, and by the dairy cow on the boy scout road right down the road from my house where I and my horses lived.
And yes, I’ve dealt with downed cows, and with the polled hereford bull who used to chase me out of the pasture when I was feeding my uncle’s cows. No city slicker here.
And again, this guy you choose to tell us about to somehow represent cattle producers is involved in other horrible crimes. How is this relevant to me and my cattle producing friends? Are you trying to say we are all the dregs of society?
[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8666839]
Probably because farmers act like they have something to hide in how they run their businesses.
Dog, cat, and horse owners aren’t the ones trying to pass Ag Gag laws. So shady.[/QUOTE]
Again, this.
[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8666839]
Probably because farmers act like they have something to hide in how they run their businesses.
Dog, cat, and horse owners aren’t the ones trying to pass Ag Gag laws. So shady.[/QUOTE]
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