[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8666848]
Again, this.[/QUOTE]
Please read up on the ag side of those laws to see the other side.
[QUOTE=roseymare;8666850]
Please visit a farm once you get settled in IL. Check out watchusgrow.org[/QUOTE]
You assume Iāve never been to one.
Thanks but no thanks.
[QUOTE=roseymare;8666852]
Please read up on the ag side of those laws to see the other side.[/QUOTE]
Not interested in their propaganda.
I donāt know how to even respond to someone with your closed views.
Iāve really lost the plot here. How did we go from some of us going, hey, hold up, you very well might not be seeing what you think you are seeing, to ALL FARMERS CONDONE ABUSE. Seriously, how did we manage to get there?
I also donāt get how this went from a guy who has a few cows on his property to agribusiness.
It seems some were looking for a jumping off thread to pontificate on their views on factory farming.
The original poster said herself it was just a hobby farm.
Again, did the OP actually speak with the neighbor, or is this info second hand?
Actually the majority of cow calf producers are small farmers. This separation and nomenclature of factory farm is a red herring.
[QUOTE=roseymare;8666859]
I donāt know how to even respond to someone with your closed views.[/QUOTE]
Just because I donāt agree with you doesnāt make it a āclosed viewā. I donāt trust big Ag, because Iāve done all the research I feel is necessary, and Iāve seen farms and handled livestock before.
Until commercial producers change some of their husbandry practices, however, I am not going to support their political views.
[QUOTE=dotneko;8666876]
I also donāt get how this went from a guy who has a few cows on his property to agribusiness.
It seems some were looking for a jumping off thread to pontificate on their views on factory farming.
The original poster said herself it was just a hobby farm.
Again, did the OP actually speak with the neighbor, or is this info second hand?[/QUOTE]
Op spoke to the neighbor and can see what is going on from her office window.
People accused the OP of not knowing anything about cattle while assuming the owner is an expert when in fact heās a hobby farmer who may or may not be knowledgeable about what heās doing.
Fact of the matter is nobody but the OP and the owner actually know what is going on. She was asking for help, but got accusations that she is ignorant of bovine health.
[QUOTE=heronponie;8666785]
I think you answered your own question. If/when anybody of any credentials attempts to shed light on abuse or possible abuse in the ag industry, they are attacked and unquestioning support is rallied around the farmer. This thread is a perfect example of that phenomenon but it happens all over the place in a startlingly consistent pattern. This is why the general public thinks we farmers have something to hide: because we act like we do.
Yes there is abuse and yes it needs to be called out, but we - the farming community- needs to be receptive to that outcry. We need to project the image that the well-being of our farmed animals is a top priority for us, and then walk that talk, instead of rushing to assume the whistleblower is an uneducated idiot/city slicker/vegan/whatever.
It really is no surprise that activists are focusing their attention on problems in the ag industry when we inside the industry refuse to acknowledge them, let alone change them.[/QUOTE]
I think this is an awesome post, except that I also feel compelled to point out that there really are very open and transparent sectors of the farming industry, completely and consistently at odds with the louder, ruder, more conspicuous faction youāre talking about.
Here in Maine, that sector is the organic/sustainable/family farming sector, much of which arrived during the Back to the Land movement of the 70s and 80s. This demographic is well represented at the University of Maine in Orono, and is the most robust in all of Maine Ag.
These people - and I know many of them well - are not terrified of āradicalsā, āterroristsā or Vegans from other planets. They donāt support Big Ag front groups, despise environmental ādo goodersā, or revile the consuming public whenever it actually takes an interest in what it eats. They ARE open and transparent in their practices, DO support the humane treatment of animals, DO make every effort to establish networks of knowledgeable and sympathetic consumers, and DO address political, environmental, and social issues in farming directly - both on general principle and in everyday practice.
Iām sure many regions of the country have similar communities.
I really, really, really hate the fact that this whole subject is so often dominated by a bunch of shrill, backward-looking reactionaries who seem to spend every waking hour trying to undo everything that this more open, more forward-looking farming population is doing.
^ all of this
Same thing going on in Washington State.
I dont see all of these backwards reactionariesā¦
[QUOTE=roseymare;8666692]
But the consensus on this thread will probably be rather safe than sorryā¦you are supposed to put a sign on it saying empty I suppose. I just wonder who will pay to repair the window.[/QUOTE]
Well, someoneās insurance will pay for it, Iām sure.
The crate is on the floor behind the driverās seat. I have a mobility conversion van and that is the best place for it. I also have tinted windows so a sign would be hard to see. Having to do without my van is a considerable hardship for me.
I get āsafeā but I also get MYOB tooā¦
eh people bent on believing you have a dog in the hot car would probably convince themselves that the sign was just a lie to provide a diversion.
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Iāve really lost the plot here. How did we go from some of us going, hey, hold up, you very well might not be seeing what you think you are seeing, to ALL FARMERS CONDONE ABUSE. Seriously, how did we manage to get there?[/QUOTE]
It was just a small step from āmost cattlemenā, really.
But of course, they took exception to āmost dressage ridersāā¦
But what is even more funny, if you donāt jump on the bleeding heart band wagon, you are also condoning abuseā¦
[QUOTE=Red Barn;8666897]
Here in Maine, that sector is the organic/sustainable/family farming sector, much of which arrived during the Back to the Land movement of the 70s and 80s. This demographic is well represented at the University of Maine in Orono, and is the most robust in all of Maine Ag.[/QUOTE]
Almost every single cattle operation out there is a family farm, with the family farming it. I can drive you past every cattle operation in three counties here and find you the family that operates it, and most have been at it for generations.
You (general) donāt care about most family farms, you want to stand on your platform and preach.
I find it amusing that some of the posters who are accusing the OP of stalking and having nothing better to do apparently have nothing better to do than repeatedly post that the OP is stalking and has nothing better to do!
So the words āorganicā and āsustainableā in that sentence are . . . what? Invisible?
I honestly canāt figure out if you people really are as sheltered and obtuse as you make out, or if pretending you canāt read English is some kind of weird ruse. Seriously. I really have no idea.
[QUOTE=enjoytheride;8667108]
I find it amusing that some of the posters who are accusing the OP of stalking and having nothing better to do apparently have nothing better to do than repeatedly post that the OP is stalking and has nothing better to do![/QUOTE]
Irony at its best.
[QUOTE=Red Barn;8667137]
So the words āorganicā and āsustainableā in that sentence are . . . what? Invisible?
I honestly canāt figure out if you people really are as sheltered and obtuse as you make out, or if pretending you canāt read English is some kind of weird ruse. Seriously. I really have no idea.[/QUOTE]
And then you also have the fact that just because a farm is owned and ran by a āfamilyā doesnāt make it humane or sustainableā¦
I have no desire to buy beef that came out of an intensive, confined āfeedlotā operation, family owned or not.
