Cow dying in a local pasture. No one is doing....UPDATE on #260

It’s a real problem when standards for what is ethical treatment of animals are designed by people who don’t have a real working knowledge of that species. Finding the right person, with knowledge of the animals, understanding of what it means to run a real operation, and someone who does have real empathy for the animals that the world will trust on both sides is key.

Livestock operations are not and cannot be set up in the same way we deal with pets, not simply because of the economic aspects, but also because of behavior differences and infrastructure. Cows in my area don’t usually have manmade shelters. They aren’t used to them and would be stressed to be confined that way. It would be hard to have a building large enough to cover a whole herd, and that space would be taken from space that is currently in grass and trees. Many people who keep animals in my area are hours from an appropriate vet and have to be fairly self-sufficient in terms of supplies and skills.

Dealing with people who aren’t good at looking outside themselves or considering other ways of doing things makes everything more difficult. It’s a shame when someone is told to keep an older, failing horse behind the house so no one will see - by their veterinarian - to keep passers-by from making the situation more complicated. It’s a shame when people feel pressured to euthanize an animal that can be saved just so appearances can be maintained and the feelings of third parties are spared.

So when someone says ‘farmers have something to hide’ all I can say is just like some mother-in-laws find fault with everything they see and create havoc every time they visit, some people are like that with farms. I can’t blame someone for wanting to skip that kind of frustration.

Happy animals aren’t always the ones kept in the fanciest surroundings. Regulations can make things worse as well as better.

Absolutely no one ever on the history of this forum has said that livestock animals need to be treated the same as pets. Ever.

Enforcing humane treatment of livestock as well as ensuring animals always have outlets for food, water, shelter, and medical care (and an outlet for natural behaviors) is not too much to ask for. It’s something that shouldn’t be radical to anyone. In western Europe, it’s already being done and considered a legal right.

Just because a cow or pig or chicken isn’t a pampered pet doesn’t mean it can’t feel pain, stress, fear, or discomfort.

Yes to the OP!

Sooo, how is the cow??

[QUOTE=RodeoFTW;8657204]
It’s almost like farmers have something to hide.[/QUOTE]
I know, right?

Yet somehow the folks running decent, sustainable enterprises don’t demand ag gag laws, or insist that ordinary citizens are just too stupid to understand suffering. They don’t believe in conspiracy theories involving space aliens and PETA, or try to convince gullible suburbanites that the HSUS wants to send them to Siberia for owning a kitty cat.

Gotta be a coincidence, though, right? :winkgrin:

[QUOTE=Red Barn;8657309]
I know, right?

Yet somehow the folks running decent, sustainable enterprises don’t demand ag gag laws, or insist that ordinary citizens are just too stupid to understand suffering. They don’t believe in conspiracy theories involving space aliens and PETA, or try to convince gullible suburbanites that the HSUS wants to send them to Siberia for owning a kitty cat.

Gotta be a coincidence, though, right? :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Please, tell me you are vegan!

Please, tell me you have less cretinous responses in your arsenal! :lol:

[QUOTE=Red Barn;8657309]
I know, right?

Yet somehow the folks running decent, sustainable enterprises don’t demand ag gag laws, or insist that ordinary citizens are just too stupid to understand suffering. They don’t believe in conspiracy theories involving space aliens and PETA, or try to convince gullible suburbanites that the HSUS wants to send them to Siberia for owning a kitty cat.

Gotta be a coincidence, though, right? :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

:lol:

[QUOTE=Red Barn;8657329]
Please, tell me you have less cretinous responses in your arsenal! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Marvelous.
When out of arguments, resort to insults! :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8657349]
Marvelous.
When out of arguments, resort to insults! :)[/QUOTE]

I’m going to be the immature one and just say, well you started it!

^ Well, she did.

Aaaaaand she’s been pointlessly nasty to the OP for pages on end, so yeah: no tears here.

If the cow had died, she would have been right back on here crowing about it.

[QUOTE=hank;8657372]
If the cow had died, she would have been right back on here crowing about it.[/QUOTE]

Maybe not considering what this turned into…

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;8657396]
Maybe not considering what this turned into…[/QUOTE]

yeah, she would have been. Rubbing it in that we are all mean poopy heads who are so mean and krewel to the poor cow.

[QUOTE=Red Barn;8657363]
^ Well, she did.

Aaaaaand she’s been pointlessly nasty to the OP for pages on end, so yeah: no tears here.[/QUOTE]
So are you vegan?
Or at least Vegetarian, and not a kind of cheater style?

because if you not, you are perfectly happy with the status quo of double standards of care.

Just sayin’

Oh, no, I’m pretty sure the OP would WANT to inform us of the cow’s demise.

However, without proof, we may never know what happened to poor Elsie.

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8657443]
So are you vegan?
Or at least Vegetarian, and not a kind of cheater style?

because if you not, you are perfectly happy with the status quo of double standards of care.

Just sayin’[/QUOTE]

You know it’s possible to eat meat and not contribute to animal suffering. One doesn’t have to equal the other.

Just sayin’

I think you mean “suffering” not “suffrage”, dear Rodeo, but yeah: I eat local, grass fed meat raised by neighbors I actually know by name.

So what?

[QUOTE=Red Barn;8657466]
I think you mean “suffering” not “suffrage”, dear Rodeo, but yeah: I eat local, grass fed meat raised by neighbors I actually know by name.

So what?[/QUOTE]

NO, I DEFINITELY MEANT THAT ANIMALS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE!

Thanks! :slight_smile:

I try to do as much as I can, within my limitations. I look for transparent brands and companies with certified humane labels, organic, or small farm products. Whole Foods and farmer’s markets are my best friends, since I don’t live in the country. When I lived at the navy base in WA, I bought meat from a lady who raised the cattle herself.

Eating meat isn’t a black and white issue. You don’t have to either eat meat or be a vegan. How silly.

No, I totally agree, Rodeo - I’m just being a jerk for fun, and I’m sorry.

:slight_smile:

In reality, I think it’s quite possible to eat meat in an ethical and responsible way, and I’m sure many people on this board do exactly that. This whole, “Embrace torture or go vegan!” argument is totally idiotic, and I think most rational people know this.