Sigh…I hope the cow’s doing better than this thread:(
Sigh…I hope tbe cows doing better than this thread:(
[QUOTE=Callista17;8657579]
Sigh…I hope the cow’s doing better than this thread:([/QUOTE]
LOL True!!
I still want to know if the cow died!
OP posted on another thread yesterday, but no update here yet.
[QUOTE=dotneko;8658440]
OP posted on another thread yesterday, but no update here yet.[/QUOTE]
Then likely the cow is fine…glad for the cow.
[QUOTE=Where’sMyWhite;8656663]
And if she steps foot on his property, she would be trespassing.[/QUOTE]
I thought it was only considered trespassing if there was security measures like an electronic gate or no trespassing signs or if there is a restraining order or something like that. Walking up to anyone’s front door and ringing the bell is not trespassing AFAIK without very specific criteria being met.
[QUOTE=dotneko;8658708]
I thought it was only considered trespassing if there was security measures like an electronic gate or no trespassing signs or if there is a restraining order or something like that. Walking up to anyone’s front door and ringing the bell is not trespassing AFAIK without very specific criteria being met.[/QUOTE]
I think the post that says it is trespassing is in response to a post that the OP should take the cow food and water.
[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;8658668]
Then likely the cow is fine…glad for the cow.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe she just bailed because she was sick of being treated like shit for no good reason.
Duh.
[QUOTE=dotneko;8658708]
I thought it was only considered trespassing if there was security measures like an electronic gate or no trespassing signs or if there is a restraining order or something like that. Walking up to anyone’s front door and ringing the bell is not trespassing AFAIK without very specific criteria being met.[/QUOTE]
You would be correct in that a fence/gate would ensure that no-one steps foot on the property.
But, if the cow is in a fenced pasture and someone enters that pasture, even if no ‘no trespassing’ signs are not posted, might be in a bit of a sticky state with respect to trespassing.
OP isn’t talking about going up to the front door. She talking about walking past the house, down the hill to the pasture where the cow is… (if she was going to attempt to feed/water the cow, which, AFAIK, she actually hasn’t done.)
I was responding to ‘steps foot on the property’ being trespassing.
It is not if she went up to the front door and offered help - what I have been saying all along.
[QUOTE=Wirt;8653595]
You know, it is really none of your business. It isn’t a pet cow. It’s livestock, and that is personal property. [/QUOTE]
Thank you for reaffirming that.
Color of Light - If you are so concerned about the cow, please buy her and then you can dictate the term of her care until the more militant People for the ethical treatment of animals show up at your doorstep and start telling you how you must treat said cow, even though you are doing your best and they although they should not have any say in the matter say far too much not because they are right but because they simply can. often and loudly.
I suspect that no matter what really happened to the cow, we are going to hear a story that goes something like this - I went to the store and when I came back, the cow was gone. There were suspicious marks in the ground. Looks like cow was dragged or buried.
That way, OPs original outrage against neighbor is upheld. We have no idea who or where she is so there is no way to verify anything. I guarantee we will not hear that the cow is walking around if she is.
I hope the cow had a peaceful passing if it did finally die.
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Or maybe she just bailed because she was sick of being treated like shit for no good reason.
Duh.[/QUOTE]
There was a reason. No normal person sits at a window with binos and watches what goes on at their neighbor’s for days. Rear Window was fiction.
So was Mean Girls. :winkgrin:
I understand how the CotH demographic might make you guys smug, but, if you look out into he bigger world, I think you’ll find that the general public is becoming less and less amenable to the idea that livestock is infinitely abuseable “property”.
I know you don’t want to hear it, but, in the grand scheme of things, the tide really is turning against you.
[QUOTE=Red Barn;8659746]
So was Mean Girls. :winkgrin:
I understand how the CotH demographic might make you guys smug, but, if you look out into he bigger world, I think you’ll find that the general public is becoming less and less amenable to the idea that livestock is infinitely abuseable “property”.
I know you don’t want to hear it, but, in the grand scheme of things, the tide really is turning against you.[/QUOTE]
Please define abuse in the case of this cow, where a) the OP seems to know zero about management of cattle, and b) the OP has no idea exactly what the farmer is doing for that cow. For instance, it is absolutely normal to take away a bucket after a cow has had a drink (likely of nice warm water because that is what is best for down cows) because cows being cows, you’d be buying a new bucket half a dozen times a day. Especially in a herd situation, buckets make great toys.
Part of the problem with the “bigger world” is that y’all have no freaking clue what is done to help a cow (you’d probably all flip your sh!t if you saw hip lifters in use, but they are a necessary tool for helping down cows recover) and what is actual abuse. Sure some of the awful, awful stuff that has been posted on the internet of actual abuse IS abuse, but you can’t extrapolate from that to say that lifting or moving a cow with a tractor is always abuse. Often times, lifting or moving a cow using hip lifters or a bucket is what saves their lives. Is it pretty? No. Is it frightening to watch when you don’t know what’s going on? Absolutely. Is it necessary? Yup.
[QUOTE=Red Barn;8659746]
I know you don’t want to hear it, but, in the grand scheme of things, the tide really is turning against you.[/QUOTE]
Which, frankly, is all the more reason to point out when someone is just nutty. You can be a vegetarian or vegan; I will die with a steak in front of me.
[QUOTE=sascha;8659797]
Part of the problem with the “bigger world” is that y’all have no freaking clue what is done to help a cow (you’d probably all flip your sh!t if you saw hip lifters in use, but they are a necessary tool for helping down cows recover) and what is actual abuse. Sure some of the awful, awful stuff that has been posted on the internet of actual abuse IS abuse, but you can’t extrapolate from that to say that lifting or moving a cow with a tractor is always abuse. Often times, lifting or moving a cow using hip lifters or a bucket is what saves their lives. Is it pretty? No. Is it frightening to watch when you don’t know what’s going on? Absolutely. Is it necessary? Yup.[/QUOTE]
Yep!
And this is where I point out a horse with colic story.
If some clueless do gooder had video taped while my horse was trying with all his might to literally throw himself on the ground and thrash about rolling the internet world would have hung me. But heck, sometimes what is best is not pretty. Humans yanking and pulling and sometimes using a whip to stop the dropping process… not pretty at all. But in the end we kept him from doing further damage until the vet could get there.
Calling the authorities so something that does not look right can be checked out, perfect. Insisting abuse when you do not know what is really going on, not so perfect.
But none that grandiose bullshit is actually the point, is it?
The point is that this particular subset of CotHers will instantly leap from their gestation crates and viciously attack anybody discussing any maltreatment of any livestock animal anywhere - hoping, I suppose, that bullying and humiliation will somehow change evolving public sentiment.
Do you really think this wins converts?
I don’t think so. I think the only reason people don’t argue with you more often is that the entire cackling herd is apparently on speed dial, and nobody wants the terrible treatment inflicted on the OP.
You can be a vegetarian or vegan; I will die with a steak in front of me.
That may well be, but it will probably come from a cow who was actually treated humanely instead of the awful conditions so many suffer with now.
The fact that anyone objects to humane treatment of all animals is shocking.
There is no difference between pets and livestock. These are merely arbitrary designations assigned by people.
Let me state what should be so obvious: ALL animals are animals. Calling a cow “livestock” doesn’t change anything. And all animals deserve humane treatment whether they wind up on your plate, in the show ring, or sleeping at the foot of your bed.
