Did I miss something? When did the CR rule apply to FEI events? Looking at both Carolina & now Terranova. I thought it was a USEF/ USEA rule? Even Bettina Hoy was unfamiliar with the rule a few weeks back.
Was literally just on Event Entries looking at TerraNova scores wondering same thing… three CRs in the 3*… yikes. 
Yes it’s been added to the FEI.
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When did it go into effect for FEI?
1/1/23 - it was in the last FEI rule update
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Curious on the COTH’s mindset on multiple CR’s at the same level within a short period of time, maybe there should be a rule to force them to downgrade for a couple of events.
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I agree with this. If you’re getting multiple CRs in a short time, there is a problem. Last year there was a professional in my area who got a CR (with SJ before XC). Next event horse crashed into a fence on XC. So I do think there is a safety correlation there.
Also, IF there is going to be repercussions for the CR, then it is absolutely pertinent these results be recorded accurately. I have seen it MULTIPLE times where I see a letter score and I think - that’s not what actually happened, why was it recorded that way? Yes, I’ve reached out to USEA about this (to which I’ve gotten told this needs to be brought up with TDs at the events - well, I’m not at every event, so). Just this season alone I’ve had to involve a TD when a score wasn’t accurately recorded - it was in stadium and a competitor had their 5th rail / refusal - they were not rung out (for reasons which I am unsure of???) and then they fell off at the next fence. The score was recorded as an RF, when in reality it was a CR (and was corrected as such after I brought it up). The RF wouldn’t have even happened if they had been rung out due to the CR.
This seems excessive to me. Isn’t getting eliminated due to a CR enough of a message?
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But if the rider goes back for thirds, fourths, fifths, all in short order, do you think they’re getting the message?
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How often does that happen?
There are repeat offenders.
Check the results and it’s usually the same 4-5 people with CR event after event.
That being said isn’t there a rule in the US that if get eliminated twice you have to downgrade or something along those lines?
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The RF score was correct. A very similar situation was brought up in last weekend’s Continuing Education for Eventing Officieals.
1- if the rider is eliminated or retires, they do not get a CR.
2 - if a CR is needed, it is awarded at the END of the round. The rider should NOT be “rung out” for a CR.
Here are the relevant rules:
EV 127.8>
COMPULSORY RETIREMENT. An Athlete incurs 20 or more jump penalties at the Training level or higher. Compulsory Retirement is enforced at the end of the round unless the Athlete retires or is Eliminated.
EV 128.4
- Compulsory Retirement is enforced at the end of the round, unless the Athlete retires or is Eliminated.
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Interesting, appreciate your feedback. The TD at the event did change it from an RF to a CR.
Honestly though, the way the rule is written is…how to I say this politely…not written effectivley. My example is exactly why I think the CR should be enforced as it pops up. Had the rider finished the round, they would have been eliminated anyway. So why were they allowed to continue and then the result of that continuation a fall? Luckily the rider appeared to be OK, but it seems that fall could’ve been avoidable.
Yes, there are valid arguments about which way the rule SHOULD have been written.
But that is the way it IS written.
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It’s interesting to me that in stadium if you get a CR you apparently are allowed to continue (per the rules you just showed), but for a TE, you’re immediately whistled out to stop. This has happened to me and I’ve observed it, maybe that was an error? Because, using logic, you’d think it would be the reverse of that - a TE whistled out at the end, and a CR whistled out immediately. Very interesting.
This is helpful. I was working a show that was one of the first ones in which the CR was enforced and there was a lot of confusion (and a good deal of anger) about if riders should have to stop and leave immediately.
Which riders get CR at every event?
We have the CR for Showjumping and the rule for elimination you are thinking about is for XC
Yes, but it appears to only apply to cross-country elimination/falls.
EV109 Loss of Qualifications
For certain levels, Horses and Athletes must meet qualifying requirements, which are detailed in Appendix 3. Loss of these qualifications is outlined below and pertains to any combination of Federation and FEI Events.
- ESTABLISHMENT OF QUALIFICATION. When a Horse and/or Athlete obtains a Minimum Eligibility Requirement (MER) at a level, they are “established” (i.e., qualified to compete) at that level. This establishment does not expire; however, a Horse and/or Athlete who are established at a level but who have not competed for over 12-months must achieve an MER at the next lowest height level to renew their establishment at a level.
- LOSS OF QUALIFICATION (Preliminary/CCI1* level and up)
Loss of qualification will occur when penalties have been assessed during the Cross-Country phase of an Event as follows:
a. A Horse that is Eliminated, for Disobediences, three times within any 12-month period will
lose its qualification to compete at the highest level at which an Elimination occurs.
b. A Horse that Falls two times in any 12-month period will lose its qualification to compete at the highest level at which a Fall occurs.
c. A Horse that incurs two consecutive Cross-Country Eliminations for Refusals, Dangerous Riding, Horse Falls, or Athlete Falls will lose its qualification to compete at the highest level at which an
Elimination occurs.
d. An Athlete who falls from the same Horse three times in any 12-month period will cause the Horse to lose its qualification to compete at the highest level at which a Fall occurs.
e. Any combination of three total occurrences as outlined in a., b., c., or d. above will result in loss of qualification.
f. Having lost qualification, a Horse may be re-qualified by achieving two MERs at the next lower height level within any 6-month period and no sooner than 1-month following the loss of qualification.
g. An Athlete who is penalized two times in any 12-month period for Dangerous Riding will lose their qualification to compete at the highest level at which a penalty occurs.
h. Any combination of two total occurrences as outlined in e. and g. above will result in loss of qualification for the Athlete.
i. Having lost qualification, an Athlete may be re-qualified by achieving two MERs at the next lower height level within any 6-month period and no sooner than 10 days following the loss of qualification. BOD 7/25/22 Effective 12/1/22
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Thank you!
Check out Event Entries, starting January and go forward, they’re not hard to find.
