Creating an LLC or something ?

I own a small property in Maryland. I keep my personal horses and live there. I have one boarder and give lessons (on my horses ). I have insurance for boarding, the lesson program and my own home owners insurance. I’ve been keeping track of my expenses and income with the lesson program but someone suggested I should become an LLC. It looks to be about $300 which is about what i make a month with lessons (it’s a small program and I have a non horse related full time job, I charge very little and try to encourage riding to local low income families). Is it necessary or is there a different process I should do ?

Thanks !

It’s hard to say for sure without knowing more details, but in general an LLC is a good idea for asset protection in a high risk business such as boarding horses and teaching riding lessons. I think it is wonderful that you encourage young equestrians who are not from privileged families, but the generous nature of your enterprise does not reduce your liability. The good news is that it is indeed very easy to create and maintain an LLC. Obviously it is optimal to check in with your accountant and attorney, both of whom are more familiar with your situation and your state laws.

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Yes, I know being nice doesn’t exempt me from law suits, I’ve just been questioned about why I “charge so little”. I already had the horses I use for lessons and I own the farm, so anything I make is extra, as long as I cover the insurance. Having a well paying full time job also helps ! My sister is a lawyer and from what she’s told me if someone really wants to they can still come after me personally even if the dispute is with the business. So I’m just not sure if I need to create an LLC.

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It’s also kind of a problem if you aren’t a licensed facility, as Maryland requires anyone providing boarding for even one horse, let alone teaching lessons, to be licensed by the state

http://mda.maryland.gov/horseboard/Pages/regulations.aspx

I think an LLC wouldn’t really protect you much if you are running any unlicensed facility.

If you are licensed already, than yes, I would form an LLC. We did, even when we barely had any outside business.

“someone really wants to they can still come after me personally even if the dispute is with the business”

Of course every state can and does have different statutes that define a business’s “corporate umbrella/veil” and the protection it gives to an LLC’s partners, share holders from personal liability. But my understanding having had an LLC in two different states it would be very difficult if not impossible for someone to go after, seize, put liens on the personal assets of a partner/share holder.

If someone were granted a monetary judgment that the LLC could not pay. The LLC would file for bankruptcy protection and its assets if any would be sold. Most small LLCs have little to no tangible assets. The company ceases to do business. Then the person is free to open a new business under a different name.

Without this protection the personal assets can be taken. If it is a property owner with equity in the property they can and well be forced to sell in most cases. This depends on how the property is deeded.

IMO anybody operating a business that has high liability exposes and horse businesses of just about any type surely does. One that provides lesson and or riding in general on one’s property high a much higher exposure especially if they cater to minors. A “release” doesn’t always provide nearly the protection that a lot of people think.

Another reason to operate as an LLC is for tax purposes. If you make $5,000 giving lessons you have to report that as ordinary income and pay taxes on the full amount. I don’t think you can deduct what it cost you to make that $5,000 on a personal income tax form. Feed, vet, farrier, etc can’t be deducted so you only pay taxes on what you actually put in your pocket. This is a question for your accountant. I don’t concern myself with these things because I have always paid someone else to know the rules and regs.

The major benifit of an LLC over forming a corporation is the fact you don’t have to file, pay to file two different tax forms. An LLC is a pass through entity to each partner/share holder if any. You don’t have to file personal and corporate tax forms. A lot less paper work and records to maintain also. Much cheaper to organize, you don’t need an attorney to fill out and file all of the documents needed to form a corporation.

But be it an LLC or corporation one still has to operate it as a business. A business with the intention of making a profit. In a usual and business like manner. The “corporate veil” can be “pierced” if proven otherwise in a law suit. The owner can be held personally liable for damages.

I am from Maryland but don’t know MD tort laws. I would check with your insurance agent to make sure you are fully covered for giving lessons. Make sure you have more than adequate liability insurance for offering lessons. Especially catering to minors. This is a much larger responsibility then just allowing boarder to ride on your property. You have complete control and judgement of your students actions on a horse. I would be surprised if you home owners insurance would cover this without an expensive additional “rider” attached to it.

In PA it wouldn’t be when I looked into it. We have a farm policy not just a home owners policy. The cost of insurance for a lesson program even a small one is very expensive. We decided it wasn’t worth the cost, the ends didn’t justify the means, the income.

If I were you I would thoroughly discuss your lesson program with an attorney that specializes in this area of Maryland law. Not just any ole attorney. He/she may be able to provide locked and sealed indemnity forms in triplicate for everyone to sign off on. It sucks but I have known, read, heard horror stories of people with good intentions being wiped out financially and emotionally.

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I second gumtree’s motion that you discuss the situation with a local business attorney to insure you are getting advise that’s pertinent to the state where you live, etc.

I am licensed. That was a requirement to get my insurance and I would have done it anyway to abide by Maryland law.

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Then definitely do the LLC.

If you have a well-paying job and some assets, I think an LLC is worthwhile.

When you have assets and also run an equine business, especially something risky like teaching or training, asset protection is an important part of your business plan. An LLC is just one part of that. Anyone can sue you (personally) for anything, that’s why an LLC isn’t 100% of the solution in and of itself. You also want to look at your contracts and releases, your insurance (trainers insurance, commercial equine liability insurance, Care Custody and Control, homeowners, and an umbrella policy), your business practices, and even how you handle ownership of certain other assets.

I am not critical of you giving lower cost lessons. However, the risks that horse businesses entail and the cost and hassle of being properly set up as a business and the cost of the insurance are a big reason why more people don’t offer lower cost boarding/lessons or other equine services. There’s a point where it just isn’t worth the hassle, expense and risk unless you charge more or run a bigger operation. It’s a real struggle for smaller equine business owners.

that $300 once you pay self employment taxes is more like $250 then there is the Maryland person income tax for about another $9

I think you should do an LLC, although depending on your state and how good you are with figuring out the forms, I think it would cost less than $300 (at least it would here in CO). If you do this as a single member LLC where you have other, full time employment, you can include the LLC’s income and expenses on your personal tax return. So, in that way, you don’t have to pay quarterly estimated taxes, file separately, etc. if you don’t want to, which you may not if the income is relatively very small. As far as the IRS goes, it wouldn’t necessarily be a change from what you are already doing. As far as liability goes, where your personal assets are likely to greatly outweigh the assets of the horse business, you want to protect your personal assets, and an LLC can help with that.

You can get some advice from your accountant and from the small business association in your area or consult a business attorney for the initial set-up.

if you form a corporation lease these horses and the land/structures used to the corporation so that the corporation is the responsible party. You should have clear lines of division between what is personal and corporate assets.

Really not much of problem, just issue yourself a lease payment check when ever (it not your fault the corporation signs a lease that is just about everything it earns in teaching) … note income received under a cash rental arrangement is not subject to self-employment tax, nor does it count toward eligibility for Social Security benefits … avoiding taxes of about 15% … just check with your tax adviser/attorney