Anyone know if creator goes back to The Tetrarch?
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http://www.pedigreequery.com/creator9[/QUOTE]
while I love pedigree query, I can only access a 5 gen pedigree :(. Thanks though!
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Anyone know if creator goes back to The Tetrarch?[/QUOTE]
Yes, he is sired by Tapit, way back Tapit has two in his pedigree who are gray and they both go back to The Tetrarch to get their gray.
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while I love pedigree query, I can only access a 5 gen pedigree :(. Thanks though![/QUOTE]
Just click on the name of the horse in the 5th gen and get their 5 gen and trace it that way.
You can click on any horse in the posted pedigree and go all the way back to the Darley Arabian.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/pedigree-insights-marcel/
Go up the dam line.
Or you can get to The Tetrach by clicking through on the grey ancestors… they take you there a couple of ways!
Lol. Thanks! I knew there was some way to do it!
These days, if you trace a grey back to Mahmoud, there’s your link to The Tetrarch. Mahmoud was the first imported grey to really bring greys into US racing bloodlines. He’s in every grey Kentucky Derby winner’s pedigree except those of Winning Colors and Monarchos, and they too go back to The Tetrarch. Native Dancer is one of the few “modern” race horses who doesn’t have Mahmoud, or The Tetrarch (I think), but he does have Roi Herode, sire of The Tetrarch. Mahmoud was a great-grandson of The Tetrarch, being out of Mah Mahal, she out of Mumtaz Mahal, she by The Tetrarch.
Most gray horse in modern racing go back to The Tetrarch, although there are several branches who go directly to Roi Herod (The Tetrarch’s sire). These latter gray horses mostly come down through Native Dancer
Tapit’s first male ancestor who is gray is The Axe (by Mahmoud)---- a common name in the pedigree of gray horses.
Destin takes another “route” to The Tetrarch – through Caro. As does Unbridled’s Song .
Icecapade and Relaunch are also influential gray sires. But in Destin’s case, while those two are there, the gray gene is “broken” (my word, not an official word) by bays. And, once broken, it cannot be revived to become a parent of a gray. horse.
Having had several gray TB’s in my teens, I have always been sort of a “gray horse geek”.
ETA: Oops, Raconteur ---- I was replying to a post which came before yours. So I basically duplicated yours, without knowing it was there.
Thanks for the additional info you guys.I didnt realize the tetrarch was such a common ancestor. Color genetics are fascinating!
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Most gray horse in modern racing go back to The Tetrarch, although there are several branches who go directly to Roi Herod (The Tetrarch’s sire). These latter gray horses mostly come down through Native Dancer
Tapit’s first male ancestor who is gray is The Axe (by Mahmoud)---- a common name in the pedigree of gray horses.
Destin takes another “route” to The Tetrarch – through Caro. As does Unbridled’s Song .
Icecapade and Relaunch are also influential gray sires. But in Destin’s case, while those two are there, the gray gene is “broken” (my word, not an official word) by bays. And, once broken, it cannot be revived to become a parent of a gray. horse.
Having had several gray TB’s in my teens, I have always been sort of a “gray horse geek”.
ETA: Oops, Raconteur ---- I was replying to a post which came before yours. So I basically duplicated yours, without knowing it was there.[/QUOTE]
This has puzzled me too. I keep thinking why Tesio consider the gray coat a disease. when you have time (Dancing Dervish)
Rackconteur the Tetrarch son Stefan the great was imported to the U.S in 1924 but his produce didn’t do so good here and he export back after a seven year try.
No probs, Lord Helpus – nice to meet another GHG (Grey Horse Geek)! 
OP, you might enjoy this article from TDN:
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/pedigree-insights-frosted-and-the-grays/
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OP, you might enjoy this article from TDN:
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/pedigree-insights-frosted-and-the-grays/[/QUOTE]
Thanks!
Good article, LaurieB! Thanks.
When I saw this thread, I expected it to be about the droolworthiness of Creator’s pedigree. :yes:
I was drooling over his pedigree after the Arkansas Derby, enough to make him one of my early Derby picks, until I learned about his quirky demeanor. There were enough pictures of him rearing in his schooling sessions for me to feel comfortable not playing him on Derby day. 
There was a very interesting Bloodhorse article in the breeding section with an unusual point of view backed up by statistics on whether sires from Belmont winners are busts more often than not. It seems that Belmont winners tend to be lighter horses, and the article says that lighter horses tend to not make the best sires because they pass on their lightness. The AEI of horses on the light end of the scale is much lower than the AEI of horses who are more in the middle of the weight range. But given the uniqueness of the Belmont distance, being lighter was thought to perhaps be an advantage.
I read that article, Viney. Thanks for summarizing it. Though it was short, I found it about as clear as mud. :lol:
Journalism is a lost art.
