Cribbing Question

I’ve never had a cribber but my new OTTB (3yr old gelding) is apparently one. He can’t crib in the stall because it’s metal caps/bars (hasn’t tried to scrape the walls or anything). There isn’t much to crib on outside (fence is poly wire) He hasn’t put a mark on the wood in the shed. The arena is metal.

Tomorrow makes 2 weeks since Enzo has been home and he’s adjusting wonderfully and he is such a sweetheart.

Right now he spends 12 hours outside and 12 hours inside as I get him acquainted with my other 2. Ayah and Enzo get along fine so they go out together all day. Enzo comes in in the evenings so Chevy can go out with Ayah overnight. Eventually all 3 will be out together. I’m sure just getting outside a lot has improved his need to crib - also having a buddy.

I know it’s said that cribbing is not often ‘cured’ because while the horse can stop the act of cribbing itself, it’s the addiction to the endorphins released during cribbing that is the issue. Well, Enzo hasn’t cribbed on anything since he’s been here (not true - tried twice, got the mom stare and stopped) but he does still make that ‘gulping’ sound. What are the odds that will dissipate over time as he withdrawals from cribbing?

That gulping sound is him still cribbing. Horses who are REALLY dedicated cribbers do not need to grab onto anything to crib.

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I really like the DARE collar. I’ve tried many others on my dedicated cribber, also an OTTB. The DARE is the most comfortable (it doesn’t need to be cranked tight to work) and very durable. Wearing it, my gelding does not attempt to crib in any way.

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I have a cribber as well, and have done a lot of research on it. It’s starting to be considered an OCD-type behavior that relieves environmental stress (or did initially, then transitioned into a habitual behavior) when it’s performed. Weaving, stall walking, etc., also fall into this category.

Preventing that behavior brings a lot more stress to the horse, which is why many vets and behaviorists don’t recommend the collars any more. If he’s not destroying the barn like some cribbers do, you might consider leaving him alone rather than blocking the behavior.

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If he is making the “gulping” sound without pulling on a fence or other solid structure, he has learned to “windsuck”, which is like cribbing, except not requiring the support of a fence or other solid object to pull against. Usually they give a bit of a head toss or a jerk to “flip” the air down, rather than pull on a cribbing spot. Some cribbers seem to learn this trick if they have no solid support supplied to crib on.

Metal caps do not stop a cribber. Your horse may simply have not yet located the “special place” that he likes as his cribbing spot. They can use any solid surface as support to crib on, metal surface is usually as acceptable as any other, especially if no other surface is available. Water and feed buckets can be used. Some horses can learn to use the toe of their own foot to brace their teeth on if all other possibilities are removed. He may not be a “cribber”, but a “windsucker” only (if that is what he is doing). Are you sure that you understand the difference between a wood chewer and a cribber? (some people don’t, and call chewing wood “cribbing”.) Cribbing usually does very little damage to the structure used, a small indentation can be worn in wood, or a feed bucket may be pulled into an elliptical shape. I prefer that my favourate cribber use her heavy cut tire hay feeder for cribbing, it’s great for this purpose! Little wear on her teeth, and no damage to the heavy rubber hay feeder. She cribs at will, and is an intense addict (and has never had any known stresses in her life!!!)

If he is a cribber or windsucker, it is true that it is “unlikely” that he will volunteer to stop, as he is an addict, but not impossible. It has happened that cribbers have stopped cribbing. It’s OK if he doesn’t, this type of addict can be very healthy, it’s not nearly as harmful an addiction as lots of human addictions. So relax. But do know that it is perhaps an indication of a bit of a “sensitive” nature, intense, that he “notices” pressure, and is sensitive enough to stress that he feels he needs the crutch. He has likely been in some stressful situations in his short racing career, pain issues of equine flu and running a temperature, sore shins or other painful injuries associated with hard training. Stress causes “sensitive” individuals to seek a “crutch” to get them through the day, and the endorphines released provide that crutch. Same with people. The bonus to this is that “perhaps” the fact that he is this sort of individual may mean that he cares his work, may be an “over achiever” because he is “driven” to do his best at all times. He “cares”. A huge work ethic, a desire to win or succeed at whatever it is he has been given to do. When we selectively breed horses who are athletic stars, as a byproduct we produce sensitive personalities like this, the side effect is that they may be individuals who are more susceptible to stress. If they have a personality where they do not care so much, are more relaxed about life, they may not be “driven” like this. Known as a “type A” personality in humans. Intensity. High work ethic. A drive to succeed. Of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean that a cribber will be a superstar in any measurable way, just that he has tipped his hand that he is “sensitive” to stress. So one has to keep that in mind, because ulcers are also a side effect of stress, and these issues are often associated with cribbers. Also with non-cribbers who feel stress but do not have the “addictive personality”. So a happy cribber may not currently have an ulcer problem, but may be slightly more likely to suffer from ulcers if under stress. You have been warned.

The use of anti cribbing collars has finally come into disrepute. Removing the addiction from the addict does little to help them be happier and more relaxed horses. Unless there is a really good reason to restrict cribbing, most horses do fine without the use of a cribbing collar, and “self limit” their cribbing to what they “need”. The exception to this would be horses who do not learn to self limit, and give themselves gas colic repeatedly by cribbing too much. Not many of these, IME. I have not used a cribbing collar on a horse in nearly 30 years. 40 years ago I did, as a youngster I did not understand the nature of the addiction, and cribbing was considered “a bad habit” that had to be “STOPPED”.

Your other horses will not “learn” this habit from your cribber, unless they too are under stress, have an addictive personality, and are currently looking for a crutch to help them get through life. If they are stressed and looking for a crutch to get through life, they would have figured it out on their own anyway, in time, or would already be cribbers. So don’t worry about that. It is likely out of your control, presuming that you supply adequate living conditions, care and handling, riding and training to your horses.

Congratulations on your new OTTB! TBs are selectively bred by the toughest culling system available (racing) to be sound, tough, athletic horses, with good work ethic and generous nature, and are excellent prospects for retraining for a variety of other sport disciplines, or recreational riding.

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Hail Caesar was a life-long cribber --wore a collar most of his life --nothing fancy, just a leather strap behind his ears. Prevented the cribbing. Without it, he was cribbing --if I was holding him between classes (daughter’s horse) he’d try to crib on me. If all else failed, he’d crib on his own leg . He is fully retired now at 29 --it’s a question if he will finish off his paddock fence before he goes to the big green pasture in the sky. He was retired without his cribbing collar (I still have it in case we have to haul him --he’s destroyed many a trailer interior). Now he spends his days happily cribbing on his paddock fence (5 acres), determined to eat it one board at a time . But he was a great horse for us, and if cribbing makes him happy, we let him do it. His weight is good. Vet says his teeth (in front) are nearly gone, but he expects something else age related will ease is passing before the teeth become an issue. Today, he is out in the sunshine with his buddy, a full manger of hay–but Caesar is cribbing on a fence post. As far as stress causing cribbing? I don’ t think so. I think it’s something else. Caesar’s mother was a cribber . . … .

He’s an OTTB and only 3 yrs old. Please treat him with omeprazole or some other veterinarian recommended ulcer treatment for the prescribed amount of time. In the interim, you can start him on U7 by Finish Line and see if reduces his obsession with cribbing.

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Seen horses long retired living out with buddies happily cribbing away, so much for the theory they don’t do it if they live out and if you remove stress and treat for ulcerss, they’ll quit. Some will, sure, if they aren’t serious addicts. If confirmed, it’s dope for them. Come to believe that over many years.

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If the shape and height is right they will crib on metal surfaces. They can also crib without biting down on something ( as yours seems to be doing now). As long as he is happy and eating well, holding weight and not suffering any ill effects I would leave him a place to crib inside and outside over what I call “air cribbing”.

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Treat for ulcers.

That’s reassuring because that’s what I’m doing. He is the new horse in the family and he’s only 3 so there is a lot already going on with him learning to be a horse and the herd dynamic thing. I’m trying to keep it as stress-free as I can during the transition from him being in a stall all the time to being outside most of the time (right now he is at the point where he spends days outside and is inside at night).

His stall is metal framed so there is nothing to chew on there. The back wall is reinforced but his so nothing to get his mouth on there, either. Outside we have poly wire fencing and he hasn’t tried to chew on the posts. He did nibble a little on the barn door but it looks like a sampling that he didn’t like - thank goodness.

I’m really hoping he will continue to settle and blend in with my other two so that he relaxes and stops doing it - but I know that the addiction to the endorphins might make that impossible. He doesn’t gulp often so maybe it will ease up, maybe it won’t.

He’s in the middle of treatment now. He’s been home since Nov 25th. His gulping does seem to be a bit less

From what I understand, it’s the addiction to the endorphins released during cribbing that they crave so now that he’s outside much, much more with more to see and occupy him (as well as continuing to befriend my other 2) I’m hoping it will continue to lessen. He’s only 3 so there is hope that as he fully transitions and settles in that he might stop on his own. Then again, addiction of any kind is a rough road so we just wait and see.

He definitely seems happy but still tentative. My other gelding can be a bit of a curmudgeon to new horses but that is easing up. He’s definitely a ‘baby’ in some behaviors and in others he just doesn’t know because he’s never experienced certain things before. I think he’s doing very, very well after only 2 weeks home.

It may be a mild addiction if you are lucky.

My first horse was a cribber and developed the habit as a 2 year old. I did try a collar but it was an awful experience. I just decided to let him crib and did leave him a spot to do so outside and in. He never gave up the habit even being out 24/7, but truthfully he never suffered any ill effects.

He held his weight beautifully, loved to eat and never had a single health issue. I had him 21 years.

I bought my 16 year old schoolie. Ariel was an OTTB and is a rock solid cribber . The barn used the collar that goes around the forehead. I dumped that in favor of the DARE collar which reduced the cribbing but didn’t stop it. When she had the collar on she she stall walked. I pulled the collar after a few months. I hate the fact that she cribs, but it’s part of her. And yes, she’s been treated for ulcers.

I have a cribber, and several trainers have told me that cribbers as a group are smart. I have used a miracle collar but this summer it started to rub and the sherpa wool covers are high maintenance. I switched to a stirrup leather – it’s easier to put on, you can use any any sherpa wool tubing, and works just as well.

The safest, kindest mare I bought for my then 10 year old daughter was a confirmed cribber. Nothing worked to reduce the habit so we let her be and she held her weight just fine. I sold her to some friends when she was 16 years old and they had to euthanize her last year due to old age, she was 29.

Good for you if your guy stops cribbing.

The best horse I ever knew was the worst cribber I’d ever seen (and also an OTTB). I bought him as a schoolmaster and I knew that his prior owner had had him thoroughly worked up for everything medical, so it was just a full blown addiction at that point. She went gung ho one time trying to stop it, and he was so miserable and pissy after a week that she just let him crib, which was my tactic as well—he loved his job and was otherwise healthy, but he was just an anxious type and this was what made him feel better. I did have to buy stock in Crib Ox though to keep him from ruining trailers and buckets at shows (he’d sometimes rip a bucket over the course of a weekend from cribbing if I didn’t treat them) and I had to replace his buckets at home probably 3-4 times per year. He’d crib through a collar and I hate them anyway, so I never bothered with one.

Luckily for you though it doesn’t sound like your guy is quite so dedicated :lol: This guy was easily the worst one I’ve ever known, but I went into it with eyes wide open and also an understanding that he had other numerous redeeming qualities I wanted. He was happy and healthy until a neurological issue forced me to euthanize at the age of 20. I guess this whole post is just a long winded way to say that unless you really HAVE to, I wouldn’t go crazy trying to prevent it. More stress on everyone than it’s worth.

Would I buy an unknown entity that cribbed now? Probably not…I don’t miss that gulping sound at all!

Trainer had a horse who was a religious cribber. Metal framed stall did not stop him - added bonus, required special dentistry to fix the damage that cribbing on metal did to his teeth. Do not assume that a horse will not crib on metal.

Additionally, my yearling (lives out 24/7 with 24/7 access to hay, grazing, etc) has 2 agemates who crib. One of them cribbed prior to weaning (her dam did not crib). The second picked it up post-weaning (I assume stress/ulcer related). The owner of one has undertaken several approaches for ulcer treatment with no impact on the cribbing behavior (and the other owner hasn’t done anything). Both yearlings remain cheerfully dedicated cribbers.

Just a word of caution to temper your expectations. Ultimately, it really does vary from horse to horse. You can have the most ideal horse management set-up in the world, and a horse will still crib.

Can you describe how you’re treating for ulcers? What you are giving, dosage, duration?