CA, Ghazzu is a vet. I’d suggest you read through her posts again, and listen.
I am NOT a vet and found your explanation of how your feed “works” to be woefully misinformed. Not sure what market you’re aiming for here?
Just out of curiosity, what are your credentials? Generally a nutritionist is involved somewhere along the line in creation of a horse feed…do you hold that degree?
Pellets must be digested, as well. They may break down into a slurry when water is added, but that particulate slurry is not being absorbed across the gut wall.
Plus, the occulsal surfaces of the horse’s teeth do a pretty good job of grinding oats before they are swallowed.
Hence the oats will raise blood sugar much slower. Whole oats have a foregut digestibility of 87%, while corn and barley are around 30%. Hence whole oats are the safest grain for horses.
You’ve just jumped to corn ad barley from pellets.
I’m fully aware of the desirability of oats as an equine feedstuff as compared to corn.
Oats have a higher fiber content, a lower starch content, and, as you point out, higher digestibility.
One of the biggest problems with our horses digestive tract nowadays is that our horses no longer chew. They therefore produce much less digestive enzymes and saliva which is essential to buffer stomach acids.
Really? My horses chew, as do most of the horses I encounter on a day-to-day basis.
“Finally, in contrast to carnivora and omnivora, equine saliva contains virtually no digestive enzymes”–Equine Clinical Nutrition: Geor, Harris and Coenen
Equine saliva is over 99% water, and a major function of saliva is to moisten food in order to facilitate its movement through the esophagus. (ibid)
Whole food is food that has been minimally processed. All the ingredients in Crypto Aero are simply dried. They maintain their vitamins and minerals. Pre-and pro-biotics as well as vitamins die during heat processing such as pelleting.
Vitamins, not being living organisms, don’t “die”.
Spirulina is a complete multivitamin and it also contains every essential amino acid. Just look into it when you have a chance and also take a look at the testimonials of Crypto Aero. The Holistic Horse also has a great article in there that explains the whole food difference in more detail. Just google Crypto Aero Wholefood Horse Feed and it will come up.
If you are happy with your current feed, then you should keep feeding it. I am simply responding to concerns that were raised about my feed. 
What percentage of the feed is spirulina?
Truthfully, the photos of the stuff look appealing, and I’m sure that it’s quite palatable.
I simply have a strong aversion to pseudoscientific claims, and, as anyone who has been around these parts for long will tell you, I tend to comment on them.
And my horses don’t get any grain at all.
"When we feed artificial vitamins and minerals, we most likely are overfeeding them, which causes very tired kidneys, water retention and toxic livers. "
You really shouldn’t have urged me to google…
“tired kidneys”? good grief.
Thank you so much for all your input. Again, we all have different opinions. I have many veterinarians that feed Crypto Aero and love the results. I think it is great that you are so diligent in assisting horse owners to make the right decisions. Please continue to do so. I do not see any reason to continue this discussion. We obviously disagree. Fortunately there is the internet nowadays with many published articles from renowned veterinary universities around the world and we all have access to them. If you ever have a horse that has a hard time keeping weight on, has skin issues, bad feet, ulcers, frequent colics, no top line, is nervous/anxious, or reluctant to work, please contact me and I will be happy to send you a free sample!
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Thank you so much for all your input. Again, we all have different opinions. I have many veterinarians that feed Crypto Aero and love the results. I think it is great that you are so diligent in assisting horse owners to make the right decisions. Please continue to do so. I do not see any reason to continue this discussion. We obviously disagree. Fortunately there is the internet nowadays with many published articles from renowned veterinary universities around the world and we all have access to them. If you ever have a horse that has a hard time keeping weight on, has skin issues, bad feet, ulcers, frequent colics, no top line, is nervous/anxious, or reluctant to work, please contact me and I will be happy to send you a free sample! :)[/QUOTE]
Give me one “published articles from renowned veterinary universities” that states that feeding “artificial” vitamins in normal amounts causes “water retention”, " very tired kidneys" and “toxic livers”.
I’d seriously be interested in the data.
Wow! Ann from Cryto Aero is going to take her ball home and play by herself because someone called her on her misinformation and credentials??? After she herself revived a dead thread on her feed!!!
Makes me want to run right out and buy her feed! NOT!!!
Crypto deleted her post, but thankfully not before Ghazzu quoted it 
hank you so much for all your input. Again, we all have different opinions.
The problem is, opinions don’t have any place in talking about the science of what is digested where, how, and by whom. Most of that is not new science.
It may be one’s opinion that a given horse looks better on one feed than another, and that opinion might be different from another, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the science of how that feed is digested.
I have many veterinarians that feed Crypto Aero and love the results.
Many trainers have barns full of horses who eat the same feed - Purina Sr, let’s take an example - and love the results. That doesn’t mean it’s the best feed, even for those horses, and when asked why they like that feed, they aren’t going to convince anyone by giving mis-information on why it works, if they are talking to someone who actually knows how feedstuffs are digested.
In this particular case I think it’s extremely dangerous to state, matter of factly, that this 28% NSC feed is "this feed is so very safe for even IR horses and previously foundered horses. " (I see you also deleted that post, thanks once gain for Ghazzu quoting it, hopefully a mod can put both/all of your deleted posts back). You’re going to get a sensitive horse into big trouble that way.
I think it is great that you are so diligent in assisting horse owners to make the right decisions. Please continue to do so. I do not see any reason to continue this discussion. We obviously disagree. Fortunately there is the internet nowadays with many published articles from renowned veterinary universities around the world and we all have access to them. If you ever have a horse that has a hard time keeping weight on, has skin issues, bad feet, ulcers, frequent colics, no top line, is nervous/anxious, or reluctant to work, please contact me and I will be happy to send you a free sample!
I’m sure Ghazzu has dealt with all those problems, multiple times, and gotten them resolved quite well, without resorting to a high NSC feed with grains in them. So have many others.
I for one will never feed a feed that high in NSC. There are too many good options with much safer levels.
Well I have to say that I’ve been following this feed & talking to many many top horse people about it. Those that use it LOVE it. They are seeing real results with its use.
Just today, I spoke with Steffen & Shannon Peter’s farm manager about it. They like it so much they are having it delivered to CA. She says that their horses look much better on it. They’ve all lost the hay belly look, their coats have improved. Their minds are better on it. She says the hotter ones are quieter & the quieter ones have great energy, but trainable. She said that their hardest keeper only gets 6 cups of it daily, split into three feedings. Says that one bag last about a month per horse so not expensive. They love this feed. Also I see Debbie Stevens is now feeding it plus many many other good riders. All are reporting the same good results.
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Well I have to say that I’ve been following this feed & talking to many many top horse people about it. Those that use it LOVE it. They are seeing real results with its use.
Just today, I spoke with Steffen & Shannon Peter’s farm manager about it. They like it so much they are having it delivered to CA. She says that their horses look much better on it. They’ve all lost the hay belly look, their coats have improved. Their minds are better on it. She says the hotter ones are quieter & the quieter ones have great energy, but trainable. She said that their hardest keeper only gets 6 cups of it daily, split into three feedings. Says that one bag last about a month per horse so not expensive. They love this feed. Also I see Debbie Stevens is now feeding it plus many many other good riders. All are reporting the same good results.[/QUOTE]
And that may be the case, but the reasoning CA posted about “why” is works is RIDICULOUS :lol:
I don’t doubt that some horses do really well on it. It’s mainly hay pellets. It’s got some things that are good for their bellies. No soy to set off the soy sensitive critters. No corn to set off the corn sensitive ones. I can see this feed filling a nice niche, but it’s NOT for every horse, and the lack of fortification means a vit/mineral supplement might be needed.
Instead of coming here and talking about the NEAT things about this feed–peas for protein, healthy oils for fats, papaya and cabbage for ulcers–the founder disappointingly comes in and spouts off some total pseudo-scientific nonsense…and then deletes everything, perhaps getting a glimmer of just how crazy she sounds? Bummer 
:no: NOT something I would ever want to support.
OMG! Who are you people??? Where is all this hate coming from? Get educated! Do some research! I deleted my posts as I do not wish to engage in discussions with a bunch of people that hide behind some user name without ever revealing who they really are and that act like a bunch of teenagers in high school! Vet? What is her real name? What type of vet is she and how much time has she spent and studied nutrition? How many languages does she speak and therefore how many scientific articles is she even capable of reading? Is her information limited on studies published in the English language? Get a life! Do something positive with it! Educate yourself on why people, horses, dogs and cats have all the same processed food related diseases. Stop following a herd of cattle without critical thinking! Open your minds and your horizons! Did I ever ask for your support? That would be an insult to my intelligence! The assumption of knowledge is the first step towards ignorance! My feed is mainly hay pellets? Who are you to make such a statement and have you ever even looked at it? Are you even aware of the metabolic effects of soy and processed feed? Do you understand the difference of glycemic index and glycemic load? Have you ever been responsible to adjust an insulin drip for a diabetic patient? Have you ever taken care of a patient in a diabetic coma? Do you have a degree in molecular and cell biology? Please just stick to your expertise and please try to make positive changes in your own life first and then in the life of others. Whole oats ARE the safest feed even for horses with IR, and synthetic vitamins ARE toxic, and artificial minerals should never be force fed without close monitoring of blood levels and they WILL cause congestive heart failure and kidney failure otherwise as well as arrythmias. Please educate yourself! I know that change is hard and I know that it is scary. Take a leap of faith and read! Thank you and PEACE to you!
[QUOTE=cryptoaero;7896726]
OMG! Who are you people??? Where is all this hate coming from? Get educated! Do some research! I deleted my posts as I do not wish to engage in discussions with a bunch of people that hide behind some user name without ever revealing who they really are and that act like a bunch of teenagers in high school! Vet? What is her real name? What type of vet is she and how much time has she spent and studied nutrition? How many languages does she speak and therefore how many scientific articles is she even capable of reading? Is her information limited on studies published in the English language? Get a life! Do something positive with it! Educate yourself on why people, horses, dogs and cats have all the same processed food related diseases. Stop following a herd of cattle without critical thinking! Open your minds and your horizons! Did I ever ask for your support? That would be an insult to my intelligence! The assumption of knowledge is the first step towards ignorance! My feed is mainly hay pellets? Who are you to make such a statement and have you ever even looked at it? Are you even aware of the metabolic effects of soy and processed feed? Do you understand the difference of glycemic index and glycemic load? Have you ever been responsible to adjust an insulin drip for a diabetic patient? Have you ever taken care of a patient in a diabetic coma? Do you have a degree in molecular and cell biology? Please just stick to your expertise and please try to make positive changes in your own life first and then in the life of others. Whole oats ARE the safest feed even for horses with IR, and synthetic vitamins ARE toxic, and artificial minerals should never be force fed without close monitoring of blood levels and they WILL cause congestive heart failure and kidney failure otherwise as well as arrythmias. Please educate yourself! I know that change is hard and I know that it is scary. Take a leap of faith and read! Thank you and PEACE to you![/QUOTE]
…alrighty then.
Well said, CA. When people like the Peters start talking, I listen. Many different types of horses that you know were receiving top quality care BEFORE they started with CA feed, actually improving with just the addition of CA?
I say that warrants a try in my book.
The problem with people here, cryptoaero, is they have made the effort to educate themselves on equine nutrition. That means your misinformation and pseudoscience does not fly!
As far as a BNT feeding the feed and that fact alone making it great, I call BS. I have worked as a professional in the feed industry for over 15 years and have been into many BNT barns and let me tell you something- many of them know absolutely nothing about nutrition and will feed ANYTHING they are thrown on a sponsorship or that they get for a reduced price.
The COTH members here are much more educated than the average horse owner as well as BNT. Many have come here seeking information because they have encountered a problem horse whose nutritional needs make a huge difference in their care, in as much as a high NSC could potentially kill them.
An educated consumer is the best consumer and I doubt you will earn them with pseudoscience. Maybe employing an equine nutrition PhD or someone with a Masters would help you greatly, but then again probably not. The above post will more than turn off even the uneducated! You came here, you revived the thread! Live and learn!
Once again, by the way, WHAT IS YOUR EDUCATION AND YOUR BACKGROUND IN EQUINE NUTRITIION???
WTH is an “artificial mineral”?
[QUOTE=cryptoaero;7896726]
OMG! Who are you people??? Where is all this hate coming from? Get educated! Do some research! I deleted my posts as I do not wish to engage in discussions with a bunch of people that hide behind some user name without ever revealing who they really are and that act like a bunch of teenagers in high school! Vet? What is her real name? What type of vet is she and how much time has she spent and studied nutrition? How many languages does she speak and therefore how many scientific articles is she even capable of reading? Is her information limited on studies published in the English language? Get a life! Do something positive with it! Educate yourself on why people, horses, dogs and cats have all the same processed food related diseases. Stop following a herd of cattle without critical thinking! Open your minds and your horizons! Did I ever ask for your support? That would be an insult to my intelligence! The assumption of knowledge is the first step towards ignorance! My feed is mainly hay pellets? Who are you to make such a statement and have you ever even looked at it? Are you even aware of the metabolic effects of soy and processed feed? Do you understand the difference of glycemic index and glycemic load? Have you ever been responsible to adjust an insulin drip for a diabetic patient? Have you ever taken care of a patient in a diabetic coma? Do you have a degree in molecular and cell biology? Please just stick to your expertise and please try to make positive changes in your own life first and then in the life of others. Whole oats ARE the safest feed even for horses with IR, and synthetic vitamins ARE toxic, and artificial minerals should never be force fed without close monitoring of blood levels and they WILL cause congestive heart failure and kidney failure otherwise as well as arrythmias. Please educate yourself! I know that change is hard and I know that it is scary. Take a leap of faith and read! Thank you and PEACE to you![/QUOTE]
To quote George Takei, “Oh myyyy!”
Breaking out the popcorn and wine!! :lol:
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The problem with people here, cryptoaero, is they have made the effort to educate themselves on equine nutrition. That means your misinformation and pseudoscience does not fly!
As far as a BNT feeding the feed and that fact alone making it great, I call BS. I have worked as a professional in the feed industry for over 15 years and have been into many BNT barns and let me tell you something- many of them know absolutely nothing about nutrition and will feed ANYTHING they are thrown on a sponsorship or that they get for a reduced price.
The COTH members here are much more educated than the average horse owner as well as BNT. Many have come here seeking information because they have encountered a problem horse whose nutritional needs make a huge difference in their care, in as much as a high NSC could potentially kill them.
An educated consumer is the best consumer and I doubt you will earn them with pseudoscience. Maybe employing an equine nutrition PhD or someone with a Masters would help you greatly, but then again probably not. The above post will more than turn off even the uneducated! You came here, you revived the thread! Live and learn!
Once again, by the way, WHAT IS YOUR EDUCATION AND YOUR BACKGROUND IN EQUINE NUTRITIION???[/QUOTE]
I figured that you were in the feed industry… That is all I needed to know… Thank you so much!
here an article about whole oats:
http://www.aebm.org.au/documents/whole_oats.pdf
and one about the cost of by products in most commercial horse feed:
http://agebb.missouri.edu/dairy/byprod/AllCompanies.asp
and two on synthetic vitamins:
https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/vitamin-poisoning-are-we-destroying-our-health-hi-potency-synthetic-vitamins
http://www.academia.edu/5998423/DANGERS_OF_SYNTHETIC_VITAMINS_PDF_-Google_Search
and one on whole food versus processed:
http://holistichorsekeeping.com/whole-foods-vs-processed/#.VIUL_IcRKcp
I have more on the fact that ulcerative colitis is only a disease in the US in horses as it is the only country that allows propionic acid as a preservative in grain and hay…but that one is in French…
And I absolutely agree! Lets inform consumers on Cargill, owner of Nutrena, and what they do to our environment. Let’s inform consumers that Cargill and Southern States have partnerships with Monsanto! I want consumers to be educated on what is in their horse feed, the value of it, and what they pay for it! Let’s do that! Here is the corporate rap sheet of Cargill:
http://www.corp-research.org/cargill
Let’s also inform them on recalls of contaminated livestock feed over the past 6 years:
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/RecallsWithdrawals/ucm393160.htm
Let’s inform them that most veterinarian schools are sponsored by big feed companies. That they are very aware of soy and its detrimental effects on all living beings and that they refuse to acknowledge that.
I LOVE educated consumers that are aware that the same companies that fed their horses when they became IR, now claim to have a solution to make it better!
Let’s educate people! I am all for that!
Do you understand the difference between a study published in a peer-reviewed journal and an article written by someone and posted by a barefoot movement website?
Nevermind, it’s clear what the answer is.
If this is your PROOF, that’s really appalling.
…and while we are educating people, lets throw this one in the mix, too:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/three-horses-dead-after-allegedly-ingesting-tainted-feed
They are really still multi-million dollar feed companies that are too greedy to spend the money to properly clean their feed mills? Let’s educate people about that while we are at it!
A) What is a “veterinarian school”?
(myself, I attended a university, with a school of veterinary medicine)
B) What “big feed company” is sponsoring Tufts University?
(I’d like to let the alumni association know, so they can put the screws to
them for scholarship money.)
C) Are you aware that the microflora of the equine hindgut produce propionic
acid? (If I were making continental comments on the relative frequency of ulcerative colitis, I’d be looking at phenylbutazone and other NSAIDs as a more likely culprit, but what do I know…)
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