Crypto Aero Horse Feed

[China_Doll]

[QUOTE=WNT;7908334]
Ultium is lower NSC high performance feed. Some folks use it for hard keepers and horses needing a high fat diet to avoid feeding lots of liquid oil. It is desgined to be fed at a pretty high rate to maximize calorie intake. It is certainly not for easy keepers! Fat pads will sure develop when a horses’s fat intake is more than it can burn off. If I recall correctly, Purina uses an oil/molasses blend instead of straight molasses in several of their higher calorie feeds.

Is Equi-Jewell rice bran available anywhere near you, China Doll? It’s a nice option, it simply has added calcium to balance the phosphorus in the rice bran.[/QUOTE]

That brand is not in my area. I did find 1 bag of rice bran yesterday. It was the only one in town. Hopefully I can keep getting it. I am in the highest horse populated area per capita in Iowa. You would think more options would be available

[China_Doll]

[QUOTE=Frizzle;7908842]
Personally, I took my horse off of grain completely. He has always had free-choice grass hay and several hours of grazing a day, and now he gets soaked beet pulp and hay pellets with a vit/min/amino acid supplement to replace the grain (plus his other supplements–flax seed, MSM, home-made “CocoOliva” oil, and now Uckele’s Poly Copper/Poly Zinc to see if we can get his coat/tail to stop bleaching). My guy is not exactly an easy keeper, and with taking him off grain (he was on Seminole Senior Formula, which is a pretty nice feed), I have been able to cut down the amount of feed he gets, and he is holding weight almost a little too well![/QUOTE] I was feeding a similar diet but my horse kept getting bloated and colicky. The vet had me stop the beet pulp because it causes gas and horse is much better. She had been on beet pulp for months before I started getting the bloating

[Frizzle]

Bloating from beet pulp? Never heard of that. It’s considered a forage. Can’t you feed soaked hay pellets/cubes with a fat source and vit/min supplement? As I said, I make my own “CocoOliva” oil at home with coconut and olive oil, since CocoSoya costs so much to ship (and I wanted to see how my horse is with as little soy as possible) plus feed whole flax.

[JB]

Bloating only starts happening after the horse has been on it for months

serious sarcasm

[Real_Rush]

I would just like to take a moment to thank cryptoaero and China Doll for providing me some enjoyable reading during my lunch break. (and no, that was not a compliment) Carry on!

[elsbet]

Totally agree with you, Real Rush!!!

[Snowflake]

Me thinks ChinaDoll and CryptoAreo are one in the same… You may now carry on with the craziness in this episode of “How Not to Promote Your Brand”.

[TBROCKS]

I don’t think they’re the same person- China has a real aversion to commas. She’s probably just affiliated.

[China_Doll]

Because I like a product? Obviously others like it or Crypto wouldn’t be in business. There are several dealers that carry her feed.

It amazes me how narrow minded you people are and think you know everything.

[China_Doll]

[QUOTE=JB;7908620]
Why stop with listing just Purina and Nutrena? What about Triple Crown and Seminole and Sentinel and Buckeye and LMF and and and?

Purina touts a “controlled starch” formula. Not a special kind of sugar. Nobody adds straight sugar.

But none of those things has anything to do with this thread.[/QUOTE]
If they listed the ingredients I could tell you what it is. I believe it is unrefined cane sugar instead of molasses, but can’t remeber for sure
. I don’t have any info on the other feeds you mentioned because they are not offered by the mills in my area.

[China_Doll]

[QUOTE=Frizzle;7910535]
Bloating from beet pulp? Never heard of that. It’s considered a forage. Can’t you feed soaked hay pellets/cubes with a fat source and vit/min supplement? As I said, I make my own “CocoOliva” oil at home with coconut and olive oil, since CocoSoya costs so much to ship (and I wanted to see how my horse is with as little soy as possible) plus feed whole flax.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I’m feeding soaked cubes now and suppliments. Most horses do not get gassy and bloated but some do.

[JB]

@China Doll;7912431

If they listed the ingredients I could tell you what it is. I believe it is unrefined cane sugar instead of molasses, but can’t remeber for sure

Yes, and my point is they don’t add sugar - there are things added with sugar in them, such as molasses (and oats, and corn, and barley, and other things, just like the grain in the CA feed). Molasses is not special sugar. It’s BETTER than straight sugar because at least unrefined/blackstrap molasses has other nutrients in it, such as copper. Even hay has sugar - did you know that? I wonder if CA tests the NSC of the forage she puts in the feed?

I don’t have any info on the other feeds you mentioned because they are not offered by the mills in my area.

That’s part of a bigger picture being made here. You’re touting CA above a few feeds you “know” about, using them to make a case as to why CA is so much better, neglecting the fact that CA does some of the things you don’t like about the other feeds.

I agree some horses just can’t do beet pulp, just like some can’t do alfalfa, or oats or corn. Did you know that pretty much all the beep in the US is now GMO? Are your hay cubes non-GMO? Are all the ingredients in your v/m supplement non-GMO?

BTW - still waiting on the FeedXL results showing the (alleged) high sugar of TC Growth and TC Low Starch

[RubysMom]

Speedy-Beet is from non GMO beets! Great products, soaks in 5 minutes no molasses AND specially formulated for horses that require low S/S.

[JB]

Yep, Speedi-beet is non-GMO, because those sugar beets are grown in Great Britain (I think) Not everywhere in the US has speedi-beet

[China_Doll]

[QUOTE=JB;7912481]
Yes, and my point is they don’t add sugar - there are things added with sugar in them, such as molasses (and oats, and corn, and barley, and other things, just like the grain in the CA feed). Molasses is not special sugar. It’s BETTER than straight sugar because at least unrefined/blackstrap molasses has other nutrients in it, such as copper. Even hay has sugar - did you know that? I wonder if CA tests the NSC of the forage she puts in the feed?

That’s part of a bigger picture being made here. You’re touting CA above a few feeds you “know” about, using them to make a case as to why CA is so much better, neglecting the fact that CA does some of the things you don’t like about the other feeds.

I agree some horses just can’t do beet pulp, just like some can’t do alfalfa, or oats or corn. Did you know that pretty much all the beep in the US is now GMO? Are your hay cubes non-GMO? Are all the ingredients in your v/m supplement non-GMO?

BTW - still waiting on the FeedXL results showing the (alleged) high sugar of TC Growth and TC Low Starch :)[/QUOTE]
If you want to know about Feedxl pay the fee and find out. I’m not paying for you.
I am not comparing CA to any feed. It has a totally different purpose which you fail to grasp.
The other feeds came up because they do not offer any options with out soy.

Yes of course I know hay has sugar. The amount will depend on type of hay, time of day it was mowed, the age. Many factors. I have done much research. You don’t have to have a degree to know something. Sugar is spiked when warm in day and a cool night, when its stressed, yada yada yada.

Lots of stupid people tout an education and no common sense.

[JB]

@China Doll;7912953

If you want to know about Feedxl pay the fee and find out. I’m not paying for you.[/QUOTE]
You were the one who said FeedXL said those feeds were high in sugar. Those feeds specifically. How do you have that information?

[QUOTE=China Doll;7906545]If you put these so called low sugar feeds into unbiased feed programs such as FeedXL they come up as high sugar.

I am not comparing CA to any feed. It has a totally different purpose which you fail to grasp.

It doesn’t have a totally different purpose. It’s only marketed as such. There’s a difference. And worse, it’s marketed towards horses for which this feed is not suitable, which is part of the whole problem with this thread. I just find it amusing that you love CA because of non-GMO ingredients, yet you’re feeding things that are possibly GMO, or at least you don’t know that they aren’t. You had a problem with a company saying they use “special sugar” (which isn’t true) yet don’t have a problem with the 50% sugar content of the oats in the CA feed.

The other feeds came up because they do not offer any options with out soy.

As is true for most of the feeds out there, even most of the vit/min supplement, and it’s unfortunate. If that’s your biggest reason for loving CA, then by all means, nobody is stopping you. Just don’t go around saying it’s suitable for horses it’s not, for doing things it doesn’t, and for saying other companies do things they don’t

Lots of stupid people tout an education and no common sense.

That’s the truth.

[TBROCKS]

So China Doll if you’re intent was to convince people to buy this feed, as far as I’m concerned, your attitude is doing just the opposite. Post after post after post with a know-it-all, abrasive attitude. And for all your multiple chains of posts, you haven’t provided me anything concrete to convince me that this is something I want to try, that it’s clearly superior to what I feed now.

“I am not comparing CA to any feed. It has a totally different purpose which you fail to grasp.”

I don’t “grasp” it either. What IS the purpose of it?

I’d love to see something factual written about the superiority of this grain.

But then again… If I saw it in the store, no doubt it would trigger a memory of this thread and the person touting it, and I’d probably laugh to myself and not bother with it.

[TBROCKS]

And from the website:
A claim of a horse on it for 2 weeks that turned into a gleaming dappled example of health and vitality.
A claim of an underweight horse gaining noticeable weight after being on it 8 days.
A claim of a horse improving their dressage scores into the high 70’s- because of the CA feed.
It changed a chestnut coated horse to a dark blackish brown- the website claims once you get rid of those pesky “artificial vitamins that bleach out the coat”, the coats become rich and dark.
It cured a sweating problem!
It fixed white line disease!
Horses will gain weight, horses will lose weight - whatever you need, this stuff will produce.
And multiple testimonies of how you don’t need to supplement anything with it, which is in direct contrast to what was said by the spokesperson earlier on this thread.
If it smells like BS, and looks like BS, well, you know the rest.:yes:

[Simkie]

I love that this thread is now the fifth hit if you search google for this feed :lol:

[China_Doll]

[QUOTE=JB;7913071]
You were the one who said FeedXL said those feeds were high in sugar. Those feeds specifically. How do you have that information?

It doesn’t have a totally different purpose. It’s only marketed as such. There’s a difference. And worse, it’s marketed towards horses for which this feed is not suitable, which is part of the whole problem with this thread. I just find it amusing that you love CA because of non-GMO ingredients, yet you’re feeding things that are possibly GMO, or at least you don’t know that they aren’t. You had a problem with a company saying they use “special sugar” (which isn’t true) yet don’t have a problem with the 50% sugar content of the oats in the CA feed.

As is true for most of the feeds out there, even most of the vit/min supplement, and it’s unfortunate. If that’s your biggest reason for loving CA, then by all means, nobody is stopping you. Just don’t go around saying it’s suitable for horses it’s not, for doing things it doesn’t, and for saying other companies do things they don’t

That’s the truth.[/QUOTE] My choice of CA had nothing to do with GMO. I wanted a feed that didn’t have Soy. Not once have I used the term GMO.
You are grasping and making things up.
I never said it was suitable for horses but it is a horse feed so it obviously is suitable for horses.
The ingredients are proven to help horses with ulcers so I stand by that.

And Purina does promote Ultium as a low sugar/starch feed , and Excell says it is high in sugar. So I am not making anything up just stating what I have experienced.