current horse cost

So looking for a new horse, in the Rocky Mountain region. Trying to stay $5000 or below, can go up a bit, but not a ton & obviously would prefer not to…

Need steady, sound, trained enough to pick up w/t/c nicely. Am looking to show ranch riding locally, & trail ride. Need easy going enough that DH can ride on trails occasionally (he is not a complete beginner, but doesn’t ride as well as he thinks he does either…;)).

What is that type of horse going for these days? Seems like the ads I see are really expensive, heavily campaigned show horses well outside of my budget, or 14 year old “prospects” that had 30d training 6 years ago but “could be finished your way” (right), & they want $7500 for them.

Anyone have any feel for horse prices in this area? If I need to rethink my budget I will, but I don’t think just because a horse doesn’t buck when you get on automatically puts it in the upper 4 figure range either. Am I wrong?

I’m in Canada, PNW. I’ve seen ads for the kind of horse you describe, upcountry in the ranch areas. For a nicely set up registered QH who is fully broke, trails and ranch experience, and a good brain, it is indeed at least $5000 here (CAN $).

If you start to go much below that you are dealing with deficits: too young, too old, not broke, not registered, fugly. I know you don’t “ride the papers.” But there is a big difference in basic capability between a well bred QH and a “grade QH stock type horse” which can be applied to any smaller horse, including “wildies” from the Indian bands of absolutely undocumented lineage.

Thanks, 5K +/- doesn’t seem unreasonable to me, but I seem to be having trouble finding what I would like for that.

I have looked at some heinous animals so far. Half the time I’m not even sure if the photo/video they have posted is of the same animal when I go to look at it. 8,9,10K or more for a half broke, or worse badly broke horse, just doesn’t seem reasonable to me…

A really good piece of advice I learned on COTH is to research and vet the sellers as much as the horse.
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in your case it might be that the good ranch horses sell by different channels than you have access to.

I would suggest stepping back and finding out who breeds and trains nice ranch horses in your region and contacting them with what you are looking for.

I’ve also heard that there are auction style ranch horse sales periodically. Not low end meat auctions but ranch horse sales where horses fetch decent money and go to using homes. It is possible that many of the quality horses you are interested in get sold somewhere like that and don’t turn up on FB or CL in January.

It sounds like you aren’t even finding the category of horse you want, let alone at the price you want. The category of well broke ranch bred gelding in the age range 5 to 10 with lots of life experience but no show miles and decent conformation "has to exist in fair quantity in ranch country. So if you aren’t finding this type at any price, you need to figure out where they hide!
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Have my trainer looking for me too, but their contacts are mostly the higher end show people. I will find the right one eventually, just trying to figure out if I am being realistic in budget. Don’t really want to over pay, but at the same time don’t want to lose a good horse or insult the seller because of a low ball type offer.

If your trainer has show horse contacts then that’s what your trainer will find for you. If you want a horse from a different world you need to find the different world.

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looking all sorts of places. He’s just keeping his eyes open too. Trying to figure current acceptable pricing for this type of horse I my area. I am trying to decide if I am being realistic, or unrealistic in my expectations of what that money will buy.

Go to the Salmon Select sale in Salmon Idaho. You should be able to find what you want for right around 5K. I would up your budget to $6,500 so that you have a shot at something really nice and don’t bid any higher than that. I picked up the gelding that took 2nd in ranch horse competition last year for $4,500. That isn’t the only horse I bought but if you do your homework and make yourself up a nice sheet of all the horses you like and how they do in the competitions at the sale, then come bidding day you should be able to get something you really like within your budget. What I do at auctions like that where I am picking up trained horses not prospects to train is I go with a budget for each horse(usually $8,500) I am going to buy and then a max budget overall(depends on the year). I just bid on the horses I like until I either hit my single horse limit or I win the auction. I quit buying horses when I hit my overall limit. Not sure if we can post link on here or so I won’t directly link to the sale site but plan on spending 2 or 3 days at the sale depending on what you are wanting to see and make sure you watch all the competitions the horses are in and any videos the consignees post on the sale ads for their horses. I won’t be there this year as I am only buying prospects this year but I may be there next year for older fully trained horses. Depends on how a couple of my old horses come through next winter. The average horse at the Salmon sale goes for right around $5,000 give or take and they don’t allow people to bring broncs, or young untrained horses. It is a sale specifically for people to pick up fully trained working horses to restock their working strings of horses. If you would consider a mare then you could probably pick one up for well within your original budget you spoke of.

this years sale goes: APRIL 2, 3, AND 4

I will try and post a link to the current catalog of horses and hopefully that is OK. The consignees update the ads as the sale gets closer so if you see a horse you like that doesn’t have video call the consignee and ask for video or wait until the sale gets closer to see if they post one. This close to the sale though you might have to stay at a hotel fairly far away but you might get lucky if you call around Salmon and book one now or you can stay in your trailer at the sale grounds if your trailer has living quarters:
https://www.salmonselectsale.com/horses-by-lot-number

Any feel for the Mile high sale in Denver? It’s this weekend & I was looking at several horses they had listed. Always a little nervous at a sale though. Are they as broke as they look because they had the snot ridden out of them, or because of pharmaceutical assistance? I have no issues with mare vs gelding. There are a lot of really nice mares out there.
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That’s another COTH lesson from those who have bought many in their lives. There is little incentive for trainer if you are not going to be paying them for lessons, horse tune ups and Ranch Horse show services if trainer does not generally have Ranch Horse shows on their calendar.

Need to also point out that if they normally deal in higher end AQHA show horses, their normal commission based on price paid is at least 3 times higher and likely closer to 5 times more on that horse, and we sure arent talking young and fancy there. Trainers contacts are going to be for these regular show horses and their time is better spent looking for these regular show horses yielding a much higher commission and presenting more income generating opportunities. It’s a business, nothing wrong with that. But you are small potatoes in that trainers barn, and would you fit into a QH breed show barn with a Ranch Horse?

Now, if you ask those in Ranch Horse circles where to look for a good quality Ranch Horse in your price range? Bet they can drop a half dozen names right off the top of their heads. Just like any other discipline. Everybody active in it knows who the best people are and, more important, who to avoid. With your trainer centered in the circuit show world, they really don’t have many ideas and there’s not enough in it for them to justify extra hours digging around.

Now, I don’t know much about Ranch Horses but do know many who breed and start them don’t do breed circuit shows, they are ranchers. To find them, I’d start by looking for FB groups dedicated to Ranch Horses and any publications or newsletters with show results, who owned them, showed them and bred them. What horses families are found in their pedigrees most often? Wrong time of year but I always go watch some shows when looking for barns and horses in a new area or unfamiliar breed or discipline. Watch the schooling area, start casual conversation, get an earful and get the lay of the land. And it’s free.

You think you ave no contacts on the Ranch side? Yeah, you got one two posts up. There’s somebody who has bought and sold Ranch Horses and recommended a well regarded auction to you ( not all auctions are kill pen cesspools) Bet they could give you a couple of breeder/ trainer names and some bloodlines they could recommend. And YES COTH rules allows us to name names when somebody asks for recommendations, what you can’t do is call them scum suckers or make accusations…unless it’s public record and they were formally charged.

We can post links to auctions too, including the catalogue and results and thise wouldn’t be a bad idea to look at. Cant post ads for sale horses or services as COTH, the magazine sells classified ads for such things and lets us play here for free. So we don’t want to dance too close to that line.

Anyway, broaden your search and develop some contacts with those who actively participate in what you want to do. Star a thread here “Who do you recommend in Western Colorado”. Or some such. Be best to look to buy farther away from any large, metro area, you can always haul it back for a small part if the money youll save without the big city convenience premium added to the price.

Sorry no idea about Denver. I only deal with horses in MT, WY, ID, and the areas in the Canadian provinces just above the border with Montana.

As far as knowing what you are getting, that’s why I recommend the Salmon Select Sale. It has two days of competitions on the horses being sold so you can watch and evaluate how good they are or aren’t.

thanks. I will definately look at the ID sale if I don’t find something closer before then.
Thank you for the help. It was very helpful to know what the prices at that sale have run which is the kind of information I was looking for in my original post rather than how wrong everywhere I’m looking is supposed to be.

Not counting on trainer to find horse, just let him know I was looking & what for. If he runs across it in his travels he will let me know. I am well aware of how he makes his money, as my daughter has been reining & ranch riding with him for over 10 years.

You reed a contact inside the auction or one familiar with the individual consignments for a positive auction experience.

But it would be terrific for you go to that sale and sit thru a few hours to hone your evaluation skills, get an idea of pricing ( bid along silently without nodding your head or moving your hands). Get a catalog, might be one online, it will list specifics and breeding, get a paper copy at the sale and write in the announced final sale price. Go home and study who went for what. There’s usually a concession stand, goid way to start up a conversation. Talk to whoever you are sitting next to as well, great way to learn and most people love to talk.

Go and visit the Ranch Horse world. What a good idea to go that auction. We all get a little barn blind, good to get out and see 50 head or so from a neutral prospective. Great learning opportunity, get out of your comfort zone.
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I think the Mile High sale attracts sellers looking to get a high price for their horses due to the size of the crowd. The Castle Rock horse sales would be a better place to look. Also, if you are in the Front Range, put a ISO with y our budget word out on this Facebook page, lots of Rocky Mtn area posters there. [h=1]Junior Ranch Riding and Versatility Ranch Horse Prospects Presented To You[/h]

Last year the high selling mares were maxing out at $5K-ish at that sale. Most working horse owners don’t want a mare for cattle work as many places won’t allow day riders etc. to bring mares so mares, even really well trained ones go for a lot less at that sale than the geldings. If you don’t plan on working cattle at brandings or day riding etc. with this horse for an outfit that only allows geldings then you might be able to get a pretty screaming good deal on a mare if they have any well trained ones at the sale this year. I will take a quick look at their catalog and see if anyone I know to be a good trainer/seller has any mares up this year.

I know most of the consignees at that sale because it is a membership only deal to consign horses there and many of the folks who are members have been consigning for 10 - 20 years or more. If you end up going let me know the name of the consignees and lot numbers you are interested in and I can tell you if they will likely end up out of your budget or not as there are a few consignees there that deal in really high end roping horses etc. so you know right off the bat their horses are going to go for at least $8,500 and usually much much higher, e.g. RMO generally gets 15K - 27K for the horses they bring to that sale so a few like them I won’t even bother bidding on, there are a couple of others that bring horses to that sale who want way too much for the level of training they put on them and the quality of horse and they end up with a lot of no sales because the bidding doesn’t hit what they want for the horse and as the bulk of buyers down there have been buying for years as well they know which sellers they don’t even want to bother bidding beyond say 5K on a horse for.

Looks like there are at least 10 mares in the sale this year. There is one lot 67 that is by a first year consignee at the sale, usually first and second year consignees get a lot less for their horses than long time consignees with an established reputation. That one might be more horse than you are looking for depending on what their definition of athletic is but I would bet given they are a first year consignee and it is a mare who is admittedly a bit watchy in new situations she might go for a lot less than your max price. A lot of it will depend on how she does in the competitions and how “watchy” she is with hundreds of people and horses around. That is another nice thing about this sale is that the numbers of people and horses and mules and noise and such is so high that if the horse is OK with all of that, it will probably be OK with anything you will ever encounter.

Thank you