Dad on ventilator

@cedarlake My dad had complications from a dental procedure that had him in surgery and then in ICU on a ventilator 24 hours later. He ended up with ICU delirium that lasted for weeks after they finally got the breathing tube out. It was the most terrifying thing to see my entirely independent father go through that.

ICU delirium is very common for patients on a ventilator, and even more common for older patients. Effects can linger or become permanent.

My dad had trouble with his motor skills due to the drugs, and he couldn’t write. We made an alphabet for him to spell things out but (he told me later) that his train of thought was very fragile and he had to think through every little step. If he got interrupted the whole train was lost and he’d have to start over. He couldn’t just point to T, then H, then E, but had to think that he wanted T, then think about where T was, then think about where his hand was and about physically moving it, and then think about me saying T, and then think about nodding, then think about the word and the next letter.

He is an engineer, and afterwards said it would have been helpful to see pictures of familiar things and be told what they were so he could find the connection in his brain again. Things like home, and people. Be careful about things like that because the nurses and doctors will want to ask him questions about what’s happening to him (do you know where you are? Do you know why you’re here? Etc) to judge cognitive clarity and memory. Once they’ve done that in the morning you should be okay.

The drugs caused a lot of brain fog and confusion, and took days to clear his system. I asked every nurse to remind my dad often that the ventilator tube was temporary, and would be taken out in a couple of days. It was over a week, but he couldn’t keep track of the days. It was more about reassuring him that it was temporary than giving him a timeline.

If go the alphabet route, my dad said having some things pre-written (like the, a, etc) would help. I will add ideas like nurse, toilet, sit up, lie down, pain relief, water, thank you. The regular events that happen each day.

One thing I had trouble with was that my dad’s ICU delirium symptoms varied in intensity through the day and the doctors weren’t seeing the same things I was. I was seeing him during his better times more often, and not seeing the more pronounced symptoms the doctor saw. This meant the doctor was getting a false impression of how severe the symptoms were. As my dad was 81, they were ready to see age related impairment and it took a while before I realized what was going on. His electrolyte levels were all over the place and had a huge impact on his cognitive clarity. You may not be able to judge because of not seeing him recently, but your relatives should be aware of this possibility. I was worried that they were accepting his cognitive lapses as “normal” and not looking for treatments that could help him get back to his actual normal.

I hope your father doesn’t have to go through ICU delirium, but if he does, please feel free to message me. It can help to talk to someone who’s been there.

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I didn’t even think about this but ICU delirium is no joke. My mom was in there for about 10 days, and she had dementia which made it all soooo much worse. She was just talking nonsense nonstop for days at a time and then would thankfully crash into a sleep for like a day. She would get so mean and angry because we had no idea what she was saying or what she was asking to do. My sister and I split 12 hour shifts so as to try and keep her somewhat quiet. It was horrible for sure.

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Prayers and jingles for Dad, you and your whole family. I’m glad it sounds like you can all battle this together. Get well soon, Dad!

All of this. If moving home ends up not working out, it’s better than the other way around. Add me to the list of those who don’t think you’ll regret it. One of those things that, given the way you worded all this, you know it’s right already.

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I think the move home will occur for sure. I just have to find out when the final day is to give to my employer and landlord. But they are all well aware of my thought process and I doubt will be surprised. And a friend is going to take over my rental which I think will help my landlord greatly.

On another note, at some point they will try to see how dad does with the ventilator disconnected. If that goes well then he’ll be able to have it removed. We are going in the right direction!

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Could I message you? We are having set back after set back and I’m wondering if the delirium among other things are causing mental issues

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Seeing my dad right now is like talking to a mentally disabled person and it’s incredibly difficult.

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Oh, dear! Extra jingles for Dad!

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Yes, of course.

That’s so hard. (((Hugs))) Is he still on the ventilator or have they taken him off? Apologies if I missed that.

He’s come off it a second time. He is now fairly coherent but it’s been going in waves. There were even conversations about potential permanent brain damage. I’m hoping what they see tomorrow sparks more hope as of right now he’s the best he’s been. But he goes downhill quickly. Tonight will be a good indicator.

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Pneumonia seems to be bad this year. It’s very scary.
My husband is still recovering from severe sepsis that landed him in the hospital after a major cancer surgery and he has to have another surgery in January. It’s very unsettling when our loved ones are ill and every prayer is just that they stay alive and get well.

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I’m a retired psychopharmacologist. The waves you are seeing, aka waxing and waning levels of consciousness, are a cardinal symptom of delirium. It would be quite unusual for this to result in permanent brain injury. If delirium is recognized, as your dad’s has been, most people recover. Don’t freak out when he does well then seems out of it, it doesn’t mean he’s not going to get better, it’s just how delirium goes.

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We were concerned due to the fact he was speaking and then went silent. He could no longer squeeze hands, open his mouth eyes, or acknowledge anything or anyone.

Delirium for sure is occurring as he is coming up with outlandish things. But I’d prefer this over the vegetative state he’s been showing.

I’m so sorry. Has he had a brain scan since he stopped speaking?

From what I understand is he’s not calm enough to get one. Because there has been alot of talk about it and I would like to see one done. But since he’s off the ventilator, he’s combative and fidgety. Last night he was VERY coherent, but as soon as night/morning hits, he’s basically like talking to a wall. Today I will say he’s a bit better but concern is still hanging around.

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This is called sundowning. A patient in ICU has no night/day cycle. There is no normal sleep cycle…drugs (sedation) in no way create any kind of normal sleep cycle. Plus there are always lights, beeping, people, pain…etc… most likely his poor addled brain is trying to get back on track. Is he stable enough that they can skip a vitals round during the night? Can someone stay with him to help keep him oriented.

The last 2 times my Mom was in hospital, my sister and I tag teamed and did 12 hr shifts. I did the night and she did the day. I have absolutely no doubt she would have fallen or at minimum pulled out IV lines. She had some cognitive decline and was impulsive. She felt she could do whatever she did at home in the hospital…NO Mom.

Jingles things continue to improve.

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@cedarlake I am so sorry for all you and your family are going through with your Dad. Especially during the holidays. Keeping your family in my prayers for recovery, strength and healing.

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@cedarlake thinking of you and your family

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So sorry you’re going through this. Big jingles :purple_heart:

Thank you everyone🖤 we are slowly climbing the hill to success.

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