Dare I ask, critique my jumping video!

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Here are a couple of pictures to illustrate the hip angle (although the one person is on a bicycle), plus an article to explain the angles as they apply to riding over jumps.

https://practicalhorsemanmag.com/tra…r-angles-30010

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Okay, yes, that is what I was thinking it was but just wanted to make sure. That’s a good picture.

No, your position is actually pretty close. It’s simply where your weight is. You would tip over backward because your weight isn’t in your heel. You’re pinching with the knee because the weight isn’t in the heel.

It’s just a fundamental positional difference between the western background and true hunter/jumper position - you just need to work on getting that weight in the heel and I bet the rest of your position is going to fall into place really nicely just by that fix. I wouldn’t overcomplicate or overanalyze it. Just work on getting your weight down in the heel, work in two point, work that for a month, and then see where you’re at. :slight_smile:

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I agree that your position is not bad at all for your lack of jumping experience, and I think you can figure out how to be better balanced with more practice. And your horses are very cute!

Where you have trouble is in where your stability points are–too much seat and thigh because of your background. Your lower leg and ankle need to be flexed more onto the horse with your weight in your stirrup. I sometimes don’t like the idea of “heels down” because coming from your riding history, that would probably not help your stability and make you get into more of a chair seat, like causing you to push your heels forward. Weight in the stirrups with ankle flexed so you aren’t climbing out of the saddle might be a more helpful visual.

I think on the gray horse that I don’t mind a deeper seat generally since he gets too long and low and can be looky. But you still want to have the feeling that you can get out of the saddle and stay there just as easily as you sit. He’d need to learn to come uphill a little bit, to have more jump in the canter. Then, you won’t be chasing him from behind the motion so much, and it should help you with your rein length and his confidence. But it will take time to teach the both of you what it feels like to ride upward with impulsion into contact. That ought to help you also with your lead changes for both disciplines. Your red horse is probably more naturally balanced that way.

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Hoo boy. I always thought hip angle was hip to thigh on the front, not off the extrapolated line of the thigh to the back. Have I been wrong this whole time?

I’ve always thought the same way, but these pictures show the general idea of the joints involved to create the angles.

I’m no expert on jumping but I do know a beautiful horse when I see one and boy is your guy pretty! AND, I see relaxation and that’s the foundation of all good riding and movement. Love how the two of you move together.

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You are semi-neck reining some of the time. You can see it on both jumps in slow mo in the line with the stop, since you are coming towards the camera, both hands are moving indirectly trying to steer. Also your elbows are pretty straight and hands in your lap, or sometimes elbows bent out to the sides. All of that gives you a lot less room to release, hence keeping your reins too long.

If you lift your hands up and bend your elbows back, you will have a lot more “travel” room in your arms to follow the horse. Watch Margie go over the wall https://youtu.be/3-WqE5fr55U … her rein length never, ever changes (even when she’s using the crop in the air over a, technical term here, “huge —” oxer, she is amazing) but she also never catches her horse in the mouth. Instead she moves her hands and since she starts with elbows bent, hands up she has lots of room to do it.

”‹”‹”‹”‹For the lower leg, it can be quite easy to fake it in a normal two point on the flat, especially if you have good balance. At a halt, in two point, no hands on the neck, have someone on the ground stand in front of you and hold the reins between you and the horse and try to pull you forward with the reins. You will either use your lower leg or spin around like a pinwheel. (If you don’t have anyone on the ground, maintaining two point through transitions, especially down transitions, can also be helpful.)

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Also there’s a huge variation in hunter and jumper styles and seats. The floaty, light seat hunter style is very specific but not great for every horse. (Although I know one horse who demands it and never puts a hoof wrong as long as you stay light. And also a couple of horses who say they want it but become hot messes if you actually try it.)

One other thing, there needs to be a difference between energy and speed. You need to be able to ask for more energy without getting more speed.

Well, except when she jerks on his mouth before the big jump. :confused:

I understand your explanation with seeing her hand/arm/elbow position (and I agree, using a crop while going over a jump like that has got to be crazy difficult), but I have to honestly say I was not a fan to see the jerking. I’m not going to pretend I know what I’m doing when it comes to jumping or that my horses behave perfect all the time, but I personally did not like seeing the horse shake his head so much, and then see her doing that. From a newb standpoint, it really makes me wonder.

Not to get off topic… but go ahead and flame away if I am somehow off my rocker for saying so!

Here is a brief discussion of angles that might be helpful for you.