I would not kick the pony that went after out of my barn either.
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She has 3 scores above 60% this year on that horse.
Edited on 1/22: It wasnât this year, but 2017.
She has 3 scores above 60% this year on that horse. This is one reason I donât place much value on people that get their medals.
The horse was getting 70% at CDI GP in Europe. He didnât come cheap for sure.
http://www.fei.org/horse/102PU31/Vorst-D
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I wonder how many offers she had to buy the horse after that test? Heâs one in a million. And us, adored the pony who went right after!
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Darn it. I was going to start a thread titled âThe Day Dressage Died for Me.â Unfortunately, I commented on Facebook before I thought about what I really wanted to say and I probably should hold my tongue before I comment here. But life is too short! I watch this event every year, and there is a rider like this woman EVERY YEAR. Itâs not just limited to this event. There was a similar ride the first year at the US Dressage Championship held in Kentucky. When riders like this show, it does dressage no favors. Trainers, judges, and whoever silenced Axel Steiner are all complicit in tarnishing the sport. People arenât blind. Everyone watching that disaster of a test wondered why on earth that woman was riding an I2 test when she couldnât even sit the trot, obviously couldnât influence the horse, etc. It was embarrassing and a disgrace. Can I ride I2? No, I canât ride 1st. However, the difference is I would never enter a competition, even if I were a billionaire and could afford super competitive horses, knowing I couldnât ride the horse or the test for which I signed up for. Dressage in the United States is a joke. I almost want to switch to western dressage.
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Oh wow. There are 11 year olds at my barn that ride better than that, and they arenât doing any where near this level of dressage. If I were her trainer I would be beyond embarrassed. Is there really no provision for ringing somebody out for poor to the point of unsafe and cruel riding?!
Looks like somebody with more money than they know what to do with, and a trainer that canât say no. Obviously a well trained horse.
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What a great horse!
Iâm a bit surprised by the generosity of scores for both Thursday and Friday tests for this pair (Fri. elimination notwithstanding).
The range of tests that Iâve seen scored in the low 50s seems to include on the one hand rides that are truly just sufficient (every movement executed, but with unremarkable movement and/or conservative differences between gait qualities, and mistakes here and there like a flubbed transition or bend/straightness issue). And on the other hand rides where not only do these same things happen, but some movements are plainly not executed and others are marred by breaking gait, bucking, etc. It seems difficult to score much lower than 50 (see also the mid-40s score that came up in a controversial thread last year where the judge commented after the fact that he didnât even know what test was being ridden). Is there something about the low end of the 0-10 scale that tends to compress the range of scores that tend to be assigned in the âvery badâ to âinsufficientâ range?
For example, most riders tend to wait until they can ride a movement at least sufficiently (>=5 score) before they attempt it in a test, which could give judges more practice in assigning scores in the top half of the scale than the bottom. Or are judges subconsciously reluctant to give scores that explicitly label a movement as âbadâ (1 = âvery badâ, 2 = âbadâ, 3=âfairly badâ)?
In my experience scribing, the comments that accompany low scores are usually fairly self-explanatory for a test like this, but the numerical scoring conventions for bad movements arenât as clear. Anyone with judging education or experience have any thoughts on potential score compression/inflation at the low end of the scale?
(And FWIW Iâm just a nerd interested in the properties of the scoring scale, not trying to pick on this rider).
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That guy is either spurring the horse a lot too or his leg is bouncing so bad the spur hits the horse every trot stride. Beautiful horse, not nice rides.
You have got to be kidding! That is a glorious ride. I canât believe how so many people see things so differently.
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You see that super bouncy foot/ankle in a lot of riders once they have to start sitting the trot on a big moving warmblood. That being said, I donât believe his spur is actually coming in contact with the horse as frequently as you think it is. Hard to say for sure though either way with such a grainy video.
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A better ride and a better rider.
And I LOVE, LOVE the brown tack on a chestnut and the pumpkin orange points on his jacket!!!
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It is hard to tell, canât see the actual spur to body contact, but dang heâs got jiggly ankles.
@ToN Farm yes people do see and experience things differently. You see a glorious ride and I see jiggly ankles. The guy does have long legs!
Oh manâŠ
What video I could find of the live stream appears to be edited. They donât show her entire ride now.
Axel was pretty clear in his commentary that this was an âinsufficient rideâ and should have been marked accordingly - in the 40s if not the 30s. He seemed outraged / shocked that she got a 50 for this test.
What did the above post mean about Axel âbeing silenced?â Are his comments edited out of the video now?
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Itâs all there except the very beginning, where he does say they missed something. It seems like maybe they are showing the prior dayâs test due to some of his comments like âI remember this rideâ but I donât think they are. It picks up just after what should have been the halt and salute. The video isnât edited, just live switched from multiple cameras. If you watch it with a copy of the test youâll see itâs all there.
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She showed Intermediaire 2 both Thursday and Friday, so Axel was saying he remembered this pair from the day before.
Kind of hard to forget.
Yes, I heard that. Nevertheless both of this pairâs tests were scored in the low 50s (before the disqualification). And this brings to mind other examples in my memory where the gulf between the performances that earn 50 vs. 55 seems far larger than 55 vs. 60 (and likewise the same numeric span higher up the scale).
Iâm genuinely curious not so much about this one particular test but about the assignment/interpretation of scores in the 5 and below range and how judges translate the scale intervals to practical application on that end of the spectrum.
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HmmmâŠI just watched it again and it was the same
as the first time I watched it, including the bit about her ride the day before and the bit where he comments about the horse resisting in the middle of the arena at the beginning of the test, even though the camera doesnât show it.
