Developing a Young Dressage Horse

Hi all!

I bought a 3 month old KWPN filly in 2016 who is now 2. We are starting to do things like wearing a bridle <she is competing in breed shows and bridles are required at 2> and putting a saddle pad/saddle on her back. I am a very experienced rider and horse person, but this is my first time bringing up a young one by myself.

I am wondering for all of you that have the experience of bringing young ones up to eventually riding/competing, what is a basic timeline you have for things like when to start introducing lunging, when would you start putting weight on their back, when would you introduce things like side reins or long lining? My goal, if she is mature enough and seems ready, is to do 3 year old materiale classes with her and possibly FEI 4 year olds. If she isn’t ready, then I would hope to do the FEI 5 year olds.

Obviously it is all dependent on how she develops and what her baby brain can handle. I just want to do what is absolutely right for her.

Also, in general, have you found that warmbloods seem to take new experiences in stride? Meaning things like putting the saddle on for the first time or breaking to ride generally are not too big of a deal. My girl has a mind of gold so far. Nothing seems to flap her! I put the saddle on her back without so much of a batting of an eyelash. She qualified for championships last year and the show grounds for that seemed like they would be an all out assault on horse senses with tents flapping, people everywhere, golf carts, water trucks spraying roadways, 1000 horses, loudspeakers, bridges to walk over and a million other scary things that did not phase her one tiny bit. I’m hopeful she has talent equal to her amazing mind!

Anyway! I ramble on! I appreciate any advice or perspectives this very knowledgeable community can give me!

This varies slightly from what I’ve done, but it’s been a while, and this is what I’d do now (having seen quite a few more babies come through my trainer’s program since my last one):

2 year old year: out in field, handling, vet, farrier, trailering, maybe shown in hand
3 year old spring: learn about stalls, wear tack, long line, travel places
3 year old fall: learn to longe in anticipation of putting rider up on longe line, voice commands, back horse (~ 60-90 days total, w/t/c, steer, stop, trail ride), maybe hit a show, turn out for a few months
4 year old ~March: regular under saddle work 3-4 days/week and trail rides, likely out showing at training level by May, 4 year old test shortly thereafter if quality/training/brain all line up with those requirements

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Thank you so much!

Your timeline makes a ton of sense. She may be slightly ahead of some of it in the sense that she lives outside in a 50 acre beautiful paddock just growing and being a baby horse 90% of the time, but she hates the heat and likes to come into her stall with a fan on really hot days. She loves the cold and snow so she rarely comes in during the winter. So she is already very used to the barn/stall and she has competed in a few breed shows and is like an old pro at trailering and traveling already.

I think her 3 year old year was what I was most iffy about. I love what you have presented in the timeline though. Start slow in the spring with tack and long lining and then leave her be until the fall, then back her. Let he be for the winter and then really start thinking about “training” in the spring when she turns 4.

Certainly there is no cookie cutter plan because they are all unique and develop at different rates, but I think focusing on her 4 year old year for riding makes more sense than doing 3 year old Materiale stuff.

Thanks again!

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Thank you for the book suggestion! I absolutely want nothing more than for her to develop well-rounded and happy. I have goals but there is absolutely no reason I need to push her if she isn’t ready.

When is your horse’s birthday? I know they all technically age up on Jan 1st, but when did she actually turn 3?

What breed is she? How big is she and how big do you expect her to mature?

Sorry for all the questions! I of course love talking about this stuff and hearing about how other horses are developing!

I have two 3yos at the moment.

One got a little bit of a later start and she is currently being ponied around the farm/has been sat on a few times.

The other I bought earlier this year, and he had gotten 30 days very late in his 2yo year and has about 60 days this year of light riding. I plan to continue riding him 2 or so days a week, and we spend the rest of the days handwalking around the farm, walking and trotting over poles in hand, going on hacks with a friend, and going on field trips to friend’s farms.

He will probably get two months off starting in November and then come back into work in January when I’m in FL when he will start getting ready for training level. The filly remains to be seen, it depends on how she does for the next 60 or so days. Also really depends on the horse, but I don’t like waiting until late in the 3yo year. The more they’re worked with and lightly ridden I find the better their work ethics are, particularly for the 5yo “you can’t make me” year.

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So we got our Dutch warmblood when he was 2 1/2- never backed but had been lunged and we built a nice round pen for him and put the side reins on loosely and free lunged. He was on mostly turn out weather permitting. Still at 2 1/2 my sister (her horse, I was 13, watching and eagerly participating when asked) would slide on his back bareback with a ground person holding him and then slide off after a few seconds. At three it was an easy transition to being led around the round pen and lunged (for first canter undersaddle she put me on him and it was totally uneventful-but breathtaking to ride!)
when he was 3 -yes 3- in my “ignorance is bliss” early teen years I would tack him up in the stall and take him for trail rides around our subdivision all the way out to where our neighborhood met the highway and we would turn around- a good 3+ miles round trip. Only walking and usually with a buddy but he couldn’t get enough of it. Never a naughty moment or even a spook… he started competing shortly after and still is, at 17 showing I-1 successfully and schooling GP.
The other youngster we got is even braver and steadier than he is, so based on my experience, they take things remarkably in stride if experiences remain positive.

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Thank you for your imput! I had no idea that 5 was the equivalent of the terrible twos! I have a feeling my girl is going to mature mentally pretty quickly. She had a really rough start to life actually, which I think made he mature more quickly.

She was born outside in a paddock that had no shelter and was exposed to all sorts of crappy weather conditions. The breeder got into a financial bind and ended up not being able to keep to the agreement that I would not pay board for my filly or any care costs except in the case she needed a vet, until she was weaned. She had just turned 2 months when the financial issues hit and the breeder told me I either needed to wean her <AT 2 MONTHS!!!> Or I was going to have to pay for her board. Well really split the board for her and her mother with the person who was going to be leasing her mom after weaning.

So of course I paid! The a month later, when my filly was e months old, I was told by the breeder that she and her mother could no longer stay at the barn where they were and that there was absolutely NO other barns around so my filly had to weaned and sent to me <AT 3 MONTHS!!!> and the dam would be going to her new home. I begged both the breeder and the person that was taking the mother to allow me to have both mom and my filly shipped to me and after the baby was weaned, we could ship mama to the lessee.

The lessee so no, she already had contractual rights to the mother at this time and she also refused to take my filly in addition to her mom, allow her to weaned properly and then send hee to me.

So I had no choice. She was ripped from her mother at 3 months and then 2 weeks later shipped to me in August, in 100 degree weather, on a 48 hour trailer ride. She was an angel about it all but she literally didn’t know how to eat or drink or a myriad of other things her mother would have taught her.

She had to grow up fast and I think it has made her a tough cookie for the most part. But it was heartbreaking to see this tiny 3 month old baby come to me skin and bones and full of worms and bot eggs.

On the plus side of this story, she and I now have a bond that is like no other I’ve ever experienced!

My guy showed on the line as 2 year old, so learned to wear a bridle and trot in hand then. Late 2 year old year I did a bit of ground work (very little bit) and laid over his back twice.

Early three he learned to longe and ground drive…but just once or twice a week for a few minutes. Spring of three I backed him, put about 5 rides on him, until he was comfortable WT off the longe. Then he got chucked out again for a month or two. Then I got him going WTC, trail rides, hacking out, etc for a total of maybe 45-50 rides for the rest of the three year old year. (We went on a few outings and to an easy clinic.)

He got chucked out again until spring of his 4 year old year, when I put him back in work, about 4 days a week. We showed training level, 1st 1, and FEI 4 yo. He got another 2 months off over last winter.

Now, as a 5 year old, he’s showing T3 with scores in the low-mid 70s and 1-3 with scores in the mid-high 60s, and is by no means topped out there. His trot was not developed enough to bother with the 5 yo tests. He’s got all the stuff for 2nd level pretty naturally so I don’t really do it much. He’s more in the stage of doing a few simple changes and going out hacking for a few days.

He was a pretty easy youngster, but the other young ones I’ve had at various points in their lives have more or less fit into the basic progression. I had no real timeline that I wanted him to follow, I just did stuff when it felt right (first hack, first canter, first off property trip). I think keeping it very casual with him has made his progression go more quickly.

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Timely thread as my 3 year old is currently being started under saddle. The trainer I have starting her is taking it nice and slow - lots of ground work. She’d had the saddle on her back and some weight put in the stirrups. So far she’s been completely unflappable, which I hope continues into actual under saddle work :yes:

I can’t say I have a plan for the rest of the year - this thread makes me think I should lol. She may get the winter off, or just light work. She’s a bit of a beast so I’ll have to see how the next few months go.

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I agree with @joiedevie99s timeline - that is pretty much how we did my youngsters over the years. Basic groundwork for the first 3 years, started with saddle, bridle, lunging at 3.5, mounted between 3.5 and 4. Usually a few months off during the Winter months, then back to work in late Spring of 4 years old.

Then we would generally do 3 days/week of light work, eventually up it to 4 days/week, and slowly build the work up. My theory is they should be ready to show Training Level at 4 years old. Anything before that and they have been started too young. First level at 5 years old, and if they are “precocious”, 2nd level at 5 years too. The FEI young horse classes are for those precocious horses who have a lot of natural uphill ability and are mentally ready for harder work - they are NOT for all horses.

You also mention that your horse was weaned early. At 3 months, a foal has gotten all the nutrition they really need from their mother - but they have not gotten the emotional support and the discipline that a mare provides. So I would make sure she has contact with other horses, and preferably at least one of those horses should be dominant over her, so she doesn’t feel like she has to be in charge of everything.

Good luck - I love seeing the progress of young horses!

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My yearling arrived almost untouched and very hot and reactive, but sensible. I had to jump in, teach him to lead and be handled (hadn’t had feet done, etc). Because of his large spook and reactivity to everything I just kept steadily going with him, and slowly started backing him at the end of his two yr old year…like once a week, building slowly to walking rider in hand then lunging with rider. So by spring of 3yr old year he was ridden for about 20 mins two or three times per week. There were breaks for weather, or if something came up like a hoof abscess but he is now 5 and amazing. Still very reactive but focus under saddle is great. He is schooling 2nd easily and is eager to work.

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I have several young horses that I’m developing. I’ve started them with handling, leading (with their dam there), etc. before they are weaned. Once weaned we do age appropriate activities including some in-hand showing. they also learned how to accept a bit and bridle from an early age due to the rules for tack, etc.

I’m planning to back the now 2 year old early next year just to sit on her and walk around and not do much else until maybe later in her 3 year old year depending on how things go and how she develops.

One comment I will make is that a lot of people choose to skip the 4 year old FEI test. It is a lot to start a horse and have it not only doing w/t/c, but steering, and showing some submission etc at that age. To be doing that test at 4 one generally has to start the horse under saddle at 3 and not all are ready for that. there are more people who skip that and wait to do the FEI 5 year old test instead.

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my 3 year old KWPN is at the trainer’s now. She will spend 90ish days there this year then get the winter off, then start again spring of her 4 yo year for more serious work. She started out a bit overwhelmed with the busy atmosphere at the trainer’s so I might let her have an extra month this year if she needs it to settle down and accept the working life. whether or not she does Young Horse stuff will depend on how it goes. Some horses are ready, some aren’t and that is OK – I am more worried with making sure she had a solid start and is good for a long career than if she does the 4 yo classes.

I do have my vet take a good look and OK it before I send them off for starting.

Also, do all WBs just take everything in stride. a resounding NO so if yours does, that’s a very good thing! Some do, some don’t – like any other kind of horse. Most can be trained to do so which is what my filly is learning now!

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Hum… Like MysticOakRanch said, you should make sure she has another horse, more dominant, to teach her proper behavior. Your bond may be strong, but from experience, it can cause behavioral problems down the road. Having a strong bond is something, but young horses really need to develop their horse personality
(I don’t mean it in a PP way!!!) by bonding with their own kind.

5-6yrs is the teenage years… You will see it when you get there. They all go through a phase where they think they’ve learned it all and get that « it’s boring » and « you can’t make me do » attitude. It does appear overnight for some and it goes away with patience and understanding.

What is your riding experience in general? Have you trained horses up the level? What is the highest level of dressage you’ve competed at?
What do you know about the young horses classes?

Asking because the FEI young horses are not for every horses, and not for every riders. It’s also not judged the same and, as I scribe a lot, I find it disenhearting to see really nice pairs not suited/prepared at all for the level, when they would get more out of regular classes.

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IMHO, the horses that I know personally that have done very well in the 4 year olds have been naturals. They had only the vaguest notions of stop and go in March of the 4 year old year, and were getting 7.8+ by May. I don’t doubt that there are many people that try to “train” for the 4 year old test - but plenty don’t.

It’s not uncommon to hear about someone doing the 5 year olds, then the developing PSG at 8 - and skipping 4, 6 ,and 7. The 5 year old test seems to be the most attainable.

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Carl Hester said he does not aim his horses at the 4/5/6 classes unless they are so naturally talented it is easy for them. It is a lot on a young horse, and most that do those classes don’t end up competing very long.

Whats the rush? So many people buy youngsters and then don’t have the patience to wait for them to mature to start working them :frowning:

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Exactly my point, I think the FEI tests are for the precocious horses and early developers. It’s like people though. I know some incredible smart people with advanced degrees etc. that were a bit behind early in life (like K/1st grade) but caught up quickly later.

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She’s a May baby and she’s an Oldenburg currently 16hh. I think she will be around 16.2hh finished which is perfect as I really don’t want a giant being that I’m not a tall person myself. We go for a hand walk around the neighborhood and trails weekly, lunge with tack, do ground work which includes desensitizing with tarps and objects. I try to handle her 5 days a week which could be just a grooming and a handwalk a couple days and then other days we go into the ring.

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It really depends on the horse. My mare is a late bloomer, and I knew she would be when I got her. We also had me get sick and an injury to her face which prevented her wearing any kind of strap goods on it for months which slowed us down in her 4 year old year.

Her breeder showed her as a yearling, so she got some miles going places at that age. I bought her at 2 1/2, and mostly just worked on getting her to lead more like a showmanship horse than a warmblood in hand horse (more keeping even with my short legs than showing off her movement) and just getting to know each other. She learned rules like she can’t bring her shoulder in at me, and it got her ready so the day I decided to start longeing she just did it. Handling hooves, tying, etc., were part of this time.

Because she was growing and super narrow, we waited until 3 1/2 to take her to my trainer’s. He had a similar mindset to me of not longeing much because you don’t want to put that lateral torque on the legs. He did some, to work on general go forward aids, etc. He also did a lot of short rein work with her, teaching her the basics of steering both off the bit and the noseband before she had to carry a rider. He starts them all using a cavesson rein - just normal noseband with rings on the sides, and a second set of reins which you just carry on the bit when starting.

She had a time that you could see her shift mentally - she was suddenly very interested in everything everyone was doing, wanted out and to get attention, focused. My trainer rode her within a week of that, because she was just ready for it and let us know. The first ride was in a round pen so she could have her head and balance herself as needed without steering issues. She went w/t/c and there were a couple little crowhops, but that was it. I was on her by ride 5, and we kept everything very simple. She learned basics of steering with a rider, moving away from the rider’s leg as she had learned to move away from pressure from a hand on the ground, etc. Just at a walk, she started learning correct responses toward lateral work almost immediately. She also started going on trail rides ride 2 or 3. We walked a lot, and some rides we only walked. She is a very sensitive horse who can get anxious - and every ride we had what we called survival mode - just hang on and stay with her, and let her do what she needs to walk out the anxiety. The worst she ever did with me was about 3 steps sideways, but you had to be ready for any reaction and to ensure you never pulled on her mouth. Over about 6 months she got more and more confident about us, and started seeing her time under saddle as her safe place, and instead of being anxious, you’d get on and feel a big sigh of relief. At 3, she basically was ridden 2-3 times a week very lightly, nothing besides walking for over 20 minutes, but walking was as long as she needed that day.

At 4, w/t/c and some light leg yielding and large figures started getting incorporated. We’d play with lateral just to remind her of the aids, but she wasn’t ready for their gymnastic effect, and I’m a believer that if you ask for much of that when a horse isn’t ready physically you torque the legs. She also had about 6 months off because of me getting sick then her head injury.

At 5, we started leg yielding closer to what we needed for 1st level, started getting more adjustability within her gaits, working on balance and baby collection. I also started showing her training level. We still did as many walking trail rides as possible.

At 6, we started showing 1st level part way through the year, and started being able to do more meaningful lateral work. She started to have more uphill tendency especially in the canter, and more adjustability. Figures started having more gymnastic effect, and when she wasn’t in growth phases, her power started showing up some.

At 7, she found herself with the ability to sit enough to really show off some half steps, canter-walks started developing more reliably, trots started growing in amplitude and ground cover, and catching up with the canter work. We started doing more half pass work as well.

She’s 8 this year. We’ve moved up to second level, and all of a sudden she is a powerhouse at times. She can’t maintain it, but I feel the FEI horse in there part of nearly every ride. Half steps are basically available whenever I want, piaffe is developing, and the trot is developing more cadence where I can feel the passage will come with time and continuing work on adjustability. Changes were just confirmed on her - now we’re working on her rider. :smiley: This morning when I managed to sit up properly she changed, then realized maybe if I wasn’t a pretzel I didn’t mean it, changed back, realized that I was definitely asking for the lead she changed to, and on the next stride changed back. So she has the balance and strength to change cleanly a few strides in a row. Her medium trots have recently appeared, and today we had what my trainer said was the biggest he’d ever seen from her. Our working pirouettes are getting really nice, and she has moments of insane amounts of sit in response to half halts which I didn’t know any horse could really do while still having suspension. Our lateral work is generally pretty spot on if I’m not a pretzel, as she has always found bending easy, and now she has the strength to support the carriage it calls for.

At 9 I want to show third level and get her performance bronze through the ATA - that’s many more higher scores than a rider bronze medal. Beyond that, we’ll see how quickly she progresses and is ready for the levels. Because we’ve focused so much on basics and getting things right while waiting for her body to develop, lately she seems to progress faster than expected - so if that happens and we move up faster, awesome, if not, that’s ok, too. I hope to keep riding her into her 20s.

I’m in discussion about a 4 year old who has a foal and is therefore behind “their” schedule of how quickly “they” say a horse should develop, but without a baby she’s the type who probably could have done the young horse classes and moved into FEI at “their” timeline, far faster than my mare. She was just physically developed at 2, and finds everything which has been thrown at her so far pretty easy. I shouldn’t be able to consider this horse, as she’s far nicer than I need and would have been a young horse candidate plus at least national level competitor - but circumstances are right for me to maybe get her.

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I have only started one myself but my trainer (experienced dressage pro who has developed numerous horses from zero to Grand Prix) starts them pretty early, like late 2-year-old year. In very early 2017 I rode her 2014 filly so she could see her go, and she was doing WTC already (she started this one extra early on purpose because she was going to get time off to be bred). This year the 3-year-olds in her barn already have quite a few months under saddle. It’s too early for me but she has great results and her horses do stay sound. (She also doesn’t do much cross-training, outings, or work outside the arena due to lack of time, whereas I prioritize that when they’re young.)

With my now-5-year-old (sample size of one and he is now lame, though I don’t think it’s from overwork), I introduced him to a bridle in the summer of his 2-year-old year so he could do a breed show. I also took him on some outings in hand to schooling shows that I knew would be a good environment for a baby. Late that year, around December before it really got cold, I introduced him to tack, longed him a couple times very lightly just to make sure the tack didn’t freak him out, sat on him, and was led around at the walk. That was it.

About when he turned 3 (early May) I started him for real. The workload was still very light and I aimed for about three rides a week. We rode out in the field and on the trails a lot. Two months later he did Intro B at a schooling show just to have an outing. I spent that year acclimating him to new environments. He got a month off in August due to a growth spurt and another few weeks off here and there for the same reason (plus mental break though he never seemed to need one). In the fall we went to an obstacle course clinic, which was super fun. (He made wanting to do this stuff easy because he has such a fantastic and inquisitive brain.) In December we did Training 3 at a schooling show.

In his 4-year-old year he got another break in mid-winter and then I started him up again with an eye to the 4-year-old champs. We still only rode in the arena one or two days a week though, and I started him over low fences. He had another growth spurt and was in an awkward phase for the qualifiers I could attend without too much travel/expense so we did one and didn’t do quite well enough, and I decided not to try again. (Of course he was stunning when August came around but it was too late, lol. Sometimes it’s all about luck/timing.) We continued jumping, did an unrated horse trial at elementary level, and even went foxhunting several times. I think that degree of cross-training may be a little unconventional but it was super fun and good for him.

In October he injured a collateral ligament in turnout and that was the end of that year. 5 isn’t looking so great either as he’s still on stall rest…

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