Diann Langer’s abuse article

Yes, what you said is accurate. I just realized it wasn’t worth saying anything because for whatever reason anything I say is being attacked by that person. Sorry if it offended anyone.

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Sounds like I may have misread the first part of your post. I will edit my response above to reflect that, and will not derail the trainwreck further on that topic.

Please keep the discussion more on the topic at large vs. personal commentary. We removed a post and a response to it.

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Seems like with everything computerized now, it would be easy to set these sorts of entries to flag.
Might be a case of putting in all the potential divisions being considered for that horse ahead of time and refining it when it came down to the wire, but yeah, that sounds pretty damned unfair to the horse if they’re actually expecting to compete in all of them.

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Then post your photos and name and shame.
That will go a lot further towards stopping abuse than trying to persuade people there should be a salary cap on trainers.

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Like MHM already pointed out, tying the number around the horses neck is standard procedure for many grooms bringing ring ready horses to the correct ring at the correct time for the correct class.

Trainers, pro riders and catch riders ride multiples and it’s the best way to get the right horse to them. Owner riders paying for grooms often meet their ring ready horse at the ring. Show grounds can be large and stalls inconveniently located far away.

Seen it done in all disciplines since I started circa 1970. Done it myself when grooming or just helping a friend get one up to the ring.

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If you know someone is an abuser and you do not report them, you are just as bad. The people who reported the eventer were certainly fearful and had a LOT more to lose than someone who has $$$$$$ to spend on horses and apparently their own farm and staff. There is never a wrong time to do the right thing HUNNY.

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I have done the right thing and taken the steps. I’m not posting publicly about what those steps are or pictures. Sorry. People have way too much insanity these days to be comfortable putting something on the largest platform publicly.

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I have done that for decades - and was today years old when I found out that it was seen as a nefarious cover up. :flushed:

As @findeight noted, across different disciplines and breeds.

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Why can’t you?

What have you done? Have you exposed the name of this abusive trainer so no one else falls into their programme b/c they weren’t warned? Have you shared what they are doing that is abusive? What have you (and your husband) actually done to raise awareness?

Honest question as someone growing a bit weary of posters vaguely referencing BNTs and abuse and posting various forms of: ‘if I told you you wouldn’t believe it’ about what’s going on.

I think everyone agrees it has to stop. So what are you (and your husband) doing to stop it? I only ask b/c you claim you will do ‘all we can’ yet I don’t see anything specific enough here for me to understand what you experienced and avoid working with the person who did it.

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Me too.

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Not naming names is part of the problem.

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Equine Canada now requires coaches to have a competition coach licence. If your coach doesn’t have one, you won’t be allowed to compete, from what I understand.

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There’s still the option of paying a fee per show for a temporary coaching license, I believe, and competitors can also indicate that they are self-coached and take responsibility for their own entry without having to pay for license fees, from what I have read.

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This link tells you what the fee is and what to do if you don’t have a license for a temporary license but it doesn’t say how you actually get the license. Do you just pay a fee or is there training or a reference check or something else?

This thread has run amok. The article is asking what shall be done. We are arguing about stuff that begs the question: what is USEF, USHJA and each of us going to do? For what it’s worth, I think the core problem is that horses are considered property and we treat our property however we like. If horses were accorded a status that made it unacceptable to mistreat them, we’d be further along. So perhaps we should all be trying to figure out how to do that instead of arguing about wealth, who’s telling on who (or whom) and so on. It was accepted in the 19th century to beat women and children, now not so much. Horses need to be given a similar status that makes it unacceptable to drug, beat or mistreat them. Just saying. . . .

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Where is Aunt Esther’s purse when we need it???

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No they just can’t coach you at the show or they will be fined, or they can pay a day rate. You don’t need a coach to compete.

… what status would that be? I mean, they’re already considered “pets” moreso than livestock by most, except perhaps in law. Is that what you mean, a change in laws so they are classified as pets? I’m at a loss for what other status could be bestowed upon them.

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Sounds very urban legend, no?

I mean it’s not like every, most or hardly any horse bleed after IM or IV shots and you sure didn’t give it just before walking up to the ring with no time to grab a sponge, so the whole thing sounds sus

More like ONE time a person with a grey horse got lazy grooming their horse and readjusted the number on the neck at the ingate. Then for giggles they started an urban legend.

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