[QUOTE=Midge;6909118]
Do we know it was the first time it was hobbled?[/QUOTE]
If so, I don’t know how the COTHer got to this conclusion.
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6909357]
Where is the boot camp for owner/riders to get fit and learn to manage their horses?[/QUOTE]
Excellent point. A large majority of the time, it’s the owner that needs the boot camp, not the horse. It usually is the owner that has allowed bad behavior to continue until it becomes a problem. It is the owner that does not have the skills or knowledge to school the horse and train / reinforce proper behavior.
Also, do these horse owners think you train a horse once, and it sticks forever? Most horses quickly realize that the owner does not know what they are doing, and revert to their naughty habits – unless the owner actually has the skills needed to make every ride count, and stay consistent with the training the horse received.
I have NEVER “sent a horse off to training” but I have ridden in more lessons that I can estimate. Never really understood this mentality.
A great trainer I know says training horses is easy, but training their owners requires considerable skill. 
I have “sent a horse off to training” once. He was so different from any other horse I had ever worked with that I was worried that I didn’t have the skill or experience to start him under saddle without risking messing him up. Of course, “sent off” is relative - I drove by the place I sent him to every day on my way to and from work.
[QUOTE=trubandloki;6907615]
I think the lady is whacked.
I would guess CA is not at fault for the death of the horse.
I think CA’s response sucks.
It is not an autopsy. It is a necropsy. Sigh.[/QUOTE]
This x 1,000,000,000. 
That’s how I’ve always understood it.
Hey…I might know you! Bliss Rd. (formerly Squaw Flat Rd.) is right around the corner from me! PM me your name?
[QUOTE=MMacallister;6908073]
Would I send my horse to a trainer who said I couldn’t see it for 6 weeks…Hells no,
Buuuutttt Magikal fairytale lady KNEW that was his practice, I am sure she read his website, and most likely signed a contract stating all of the stuff on his page. If she didn’t like it, she shouldn’t have sent him there.[/QUOTE]
Ummm… well… it’s not like she was, you know, out of ‘touch’ with the horse… She could communicate with him through her dreams… so…
Wrong wrong, who ties a horse to graze and low…, Friesians are known for long necks & high. Forcing a long neck horse to a short lead is crazy and not training, but cruel. Poor thing, I can only imagine what this young guy had to face. Big name trainer even need to re-evaluate their programs and adjust, fix…death s/b uncommon, not normal in any training program OR the program is not a success
[QUOTE=DancingFoalFarms;6906414]
I saw an update where she offers more explanation. She now says CA “told [her] he had been tied out low to graze for two hours. When the academy student came back to get him he was laying down and was dead.”
That stinks. Whatever the situation, losing a horse is awful.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HealingHeart;6909595]
Wrong wrong, who ties a horse to graze and low…, Friesians are known for long necks & high. Forcing a long neck horse to a short lead is crazy and not training, but cruel. Poor thing, I can only imagine what this young guy had to face. Big name trainer even need to re-evaluate their programs and adjust, fix…death s/b uncommon, not normal in any training program OR the program is not a success[/QUOTE]
Known for long necks?
Not so’s I’ve noticed…
Mostly they seem known for vast quantities of hair…
[QUOTE=ReSomething;6908839]
Ahem here in KY we have many many 17th and 18th century place names using knob. For an example my MIL used to live off of Bald Knob road. It refers to a promontory, a slightly higher hill, and most hills around here are worn down and rounded, so, Knob.
One can also find lick as a place name, usually refers to a creek and probably came from creeks that tendd to have salt deposits so there is Salt Lick, Paint Lick, and three guesses for the last one.
Sorta bad when there’s sniggering and giggling during a geography lesson.[/QUOTE]
My favorite is Big Bone Lick State Park. It’s sad, but I giggle every time I drive past that exit.
EDIT: Oops, should’ve scrolled down to the next post. What Alagirl said. 
Yes, they can over heat quicker than others. I wonder if they just consider each, regardless of breed or condition, is treated equal… In training approach. Or do they tailor to fit the specific horse… 
[QUOTE=Ghazzu;6909657]
Known for long necks?
Not so’s I’ve noticed…
Mostly they seem known for vast quantities of hair…[/QUOTE]
It’s amazing the things I’ve learned on COTH.
[QUOTE=HealingHeart;6909728]
Yes, they can over heat quicker than others. I wonder if they just consider each, regardless of breed or condition, is treated equal… In training approach. Or do they tailor to fit the specific horse… :([/QUOTE]
What does hyperthermia have to do with a long neck?
Ghazzu, I think it was your reference to all the hair…so she has moved from necks to hair. 
[QUOTE=Appsolute;6909424]
Excellent point. A large majority of the time, it’s the owner that needs the boot camp, not the horse. It usually is the owner that has allowed bad behavior to continue until it becomes a problem. It is the owner that does not have the skills or knowledge to school the horse and train / reinforce proper behavior.
Also, do these horse owners think you train a horse once, and it sticks forever? Most horses quickly realize that the owner does not know what they are doing, and revert to their naughty habits – unless the owner actually has the skills needed to make every ride count, and stay consistent with the training the horse received.
I have NEVER “sent a horse off to training” but I have ridden in more lessons that I can estimate. Never really understood this mentality.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NoSuchPerson;6909443]A great trainer I know says training horses is easy, but training their owners requires considerable skill.
.[/QUOTE]
CA does have the owners come in at the end and they spend time making sure the owner knows what the horse has been taught and how to work with them through his method.
[QUOTE=Midge;6909118]
Do we know it was the first time it was hobbled?[/QUOTE]
I would doubt it was just hobbled for the first time and left alone. CA has a DVD all on hobble training and I’ve seen a short course of it. He says that it is not something to just start off with, that you need to put other ground work into them first. From what I’ve seen they start out just doing it for a short period of time and supervised then once the horse seems to understand they move on to other methods. I believe he’s talked about using it to for longer periods for turnout as well. The video I saw they start out with single leg hobbles, then side hobbles (front and back leg on the same side) and finally the use the hobbles that go on the front two legs. I think they even might use the side hobbles together with that, I can’t remember. I will say, when I first heard him talk about hobble training I was against it, but after watching the video, it was very interesting and I can see the benefits of doing it. I don’t know that I’d feel comfortable doing it myself, however.
[QUOTE=harvestmoon;6909713]
My favorite is Big Bone Lick State Park. It’s sad, but I giggle every time I drive past that exit.
EDIT: Oops, should’ve scrolled down to the next post. What Alagirl said. ;)[/QUOTE]
I was born on Seymour-Johnson AFB. That name has always cracked me up.
Oh, and someone mentioned earlier how “fanny” is not a word to throw around in the UK. It refers to the opposite side of the anatomy we Yanks use the word for. Or, as the Brits also call it, the “front bottom”.
Yep… Bottom line, wrong and endless questions…
[QUOTE=TheJenners;6909866]
Ghazzu, I think it was your reference to all the hair…so she has moved from necks to hair. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BensMama;6909482]
Hey…I might know you! Bliss Rd. (formerly Squaw Flat Rd.) is right around the corner from me! PM me your name?[/QUOTE]
Welp, I don’t mean to be rude but I like my anon on here. If you are on the local FB site or the OR one, we’ll probably ‘see’ each other. Once you’ve been around a bit and read others probs with some other members, you’ll what I mean. So, I’m pretty determined to stay out of the limelight, except for saying I’m in Orygun. Hope you understand. :o
As for the horse overheating a bit more, could it be due to the color? Dark skin? Lots of hair, mane??
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6909357]
My observation is that CA believes hard work does not hurt a horse.
A good horseman knows where conditioning work or training sessions should stop and allow the horse to recover.
A good horseman also knows when heat inversion or mental melt-down is imminent.
A good horseman also takes steps to mitigate those possible situations.
Water, bathing, walking a horse until heart and temp return to normal are all part of good horsemanship trainng.
Do accidents happen and horses die even where intelligent care and proper conditioning is carried out? Sometimes.
Creating circumstances that predispose to ‘accidents’ is a whole different scenario: sort of like throwing novice drivers in a factory sportscar and telling them to take deadman’s curve at 65 mph -because seasoned racing drivers in modified and tuned machines can do it at 90.
And I am saddened that the owner appeared to want the ‘gumption’ taken out of her horse by aggressive exhaustion means, she knows so little about training animals if she feels this is going to give her a tractable, willing horse SHE can handle. Fairyland, indeed.
Where is the boot camp for owner/riders to get fit and learn to manage their horses?[/QUOTE]
Exactly - I think CA us using the logic that “all animals die” almost as a defense. Well, of course they do, but how many of us have had training related accidents that have killed a horse? It rarely happens, but would you advertise it on your website as though there’s a good chance that it might die, so be prepared? I have watched him work horses way past melt down, and he thinks it’s leaned something, but it’s simply too exhausted to react the way it wants to.
I know someone who worships the ground CA walks on and she recently told me she had her horse do a 30 mile trail ride without ANY conditioning. The fact that it didn’t die, to her, means it’s okay - that reminded me so much of CA. It breaks my heart for her horse.
This Thread Delivers!
Just sorry that there had to be a dead horse involved.
[QUOTE=randomequine;6906257]
“Like if you love Jesus! Ignore if you support Satan!”[/QUOTE]
Isn’t that a Merle Haggard song?
Hmmmm :winkgrin:
[QUOTE=Plainandtall;6907233]Who is the lady doing the belly scratch and who is the purple fairy?
Couldn’t we at least braid his mane full of fairy flowers and get a few snaps of him playing dress up?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UlysMom;6907727]This whole thing just screams crazy from every rooftop.
And, CA should not be taking PR advice from the likes of Mel Gibson.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Plainandtall;6907870]The thought of the Big name himself at his home or office computer scrolling through the fairy pictures…
oh the humanity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6908863]Big Bone Lick?
:)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Superminion;6908919]We have a Bald Knob Rd here too. I always giggle a little bit when we drive past it. I swear I’m an adult…really.
Did anybody else scroll down to the story in which Fairy Knob gives the Doc at Texas A&M a hard time[/QUOTE]
:lol:
Well, somebody has mastered the multi-quote post! :)…I’ve been here for ages and still don’t have a clue how to use it!
