[QUOTE=rabicon;6956550]
I say house guest needed some more sympathy or entertainment. It was already proven that the horse died there, as well as the post that CA wrote about it. Maybe houseguest should have read the whole thread.[/QUOTE]
Or drank more…
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6956418]
an unrideable dangerous critter?
I am thinking that would have been much more cost efficient to CA.
BTW, I don’t think that Babcock’s top producing cutter/reiner sire was much taller than 14 hands.
So, after this thread has finally died, a new member come by to bump this mess back to the top. With old news, no less.
I’d say ‘Spoon’ at best, House Guest at worst…[/QUOTE]
Maybe some of us don’t give a s*** about cutting or reining sires. Something more along the lines of what the majority of 5’9", I’m guessing English rider since it was a Friesian, would want is what I was aiming at.
Don’t assume that I am a new member, either, or that I haven’t read this thread. I know some people think the Facebook poster was a few flakes short of a bale and all the world isn’t bringing her horse back. If you have some news that is so fresh and startling, why not start it instead of snarking at people who choose to express their opinion on a post that is, wow, a whole month old? Some of us are out busy working and doing work with our horses and don’t have time to monitor the play-by-play here.
[QUOTE=mvp;6955860]
You are the customer that NH was made for. And the bolded part, “90% you can do yourself” is its selling point.
But, as others have pointed out, the point is to do something with all this ground work to make the buggers rideable and able to do a job. I think the NH crowd offers just about nothing to help their ideal clients get on their horses.
I help lots of people who have green horses they want to ride… but have only done ground work with. I sit on them for the first 30 days. OMG, these folks would hate the “whacky baby feel” that these horses have. It wouldn’t matter how much ground work you did (save some long-lining I do to help me teach some of the relationship to the bit that I want)-- these horses still feel unbalanced in comparison to a horse with a year or more on him.
Ground work for me has to be short and focused because the people I work for need a horse that is riding-broke, or on his way pretty fast. That means I need to sit on him a lot and teach him to pack me around.
Sigh. This is why I am so bummed out with the ad nauseum groundwork NH types. They rip off their clients (because they do nothing to teach them to ride). They screw other trainers who do let clients know that they’ll have to develop the physical ability to sit on the still-green horses they get back at the end of all the ground work.[/QUOTE]
Well, I’m not really sure how to take all that…
I used to ride three or four horses a day in my teens to mid 20’s. I can ride just fine.
I just was saying that I happen to enjoy the groundwork, and I like the results I get. And a lot of times I do some short & sweet stuff, and sometimes I just get on and ride… gasp… a NH’er saying that! The nerve.
I’m just a regular, every day horse person, who happens to like CA. Do I agree with everything, no.
Whatever…
To each their own.
[QUOTE=mvp;6955860]
But, as others have pointed out, the point is to do something with all this ground work to make the buggers rideable and able to do a job. I think the NH crowd offers just about nothing to help their ideal clients get on their horses.
I help lots of people who have green horses they want to ride… but have only done ground work with. I sit on them for the first 30 days. OMG, these folks would hate the “whacky baby feel” that these horses have. It wouldn’t matter how much ground work you did (save some long-lining I do to help me teach some of the relationship to the bit that I want)-- these horses still feel unbalanced in comparison to a horse with a year or more on him.
Ground work for me has to be short and focused because the people I work for need a horse that is riding-broke, or on his way pretty fast. That means I need to sit on him a lot and teach him to pack me around.
Sigh. This is why I am so bummed out with the ad nauseum groundwork NH types. They rip off their clients (because they do nothing to teach them to ride). They screw other trainers who do let clients know that they’ll have to develop the physical ability to sit on the still-green horses they get back at the end of all the ground work.[/QUOTE]
I really think you nailed it right there.
I feel like NH never gets past ‘starting the horse’ to actually producing trained riding horses, and riders that can ride well.
A Signature horse is only worth that kind of money to a CA devotee; he could always have offered her the cash value instead.
[QUOTE=RubyTuesday;6956638]
Maybe some of us don’t give a s*** about cutting or reining sires. Something more along the lines of what the majority of 5’9", I’m guessing English rider since it was a Friesian, would want is what I was aiming at.
Don’t assume that I am a new member, either, or that I haven’t read this thread. I know some people think the Facebook poster was a few flakes short of a bale and all the world isn’t bringing her horse back. If you have some news that is so fresh and startling, why not start it instead of snarking at people who choose to express their opinion on a post that is, wow, a whole month old? Some of us are out busy working and doing work with our horses and don’t have time to monitor the play-by-play here.[/QUOTE]
I was responding to the arrogant notion that a 14h horse would always look wrong under a grown man. I understand that you don’t give a rip about many things besides your opinion. That is fine by be.
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6956699]
I really think you nailed it right there.
I feel like NH never gets past ‘starting the horse’ to actually producing trained riding horses, and riders that can ride well.
A Signature horse is only worth that kind of money to a CA devotee; he could always have offered her the cash value instead.[/QUOTE]
well, if you send your horse to be trained by him, it stands to reason that you want a horse trained by him and are there fore a devotee.
I do have the impression though that the horses he does sell are trained under saddle.
And I am sure the lady in question would have been able to sell said horse to another devotee for a nice lump sum to replace the steed she lost.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;6956752]
well, if you send your horse to be trained by him, it stands to reason that you want a horse trained by him and are there fore a devotee.
I do have the impression though that the horses he does sell are trained under saddle.
And I am sure the lady in question would have been able to sell said horse to another devotee for a nice lump sum to replace the steed she lost.[/QUOTE]
This is what I don’t understand and hope I don’t sound cold hearted saying this but from what I saw of her website she is saying she is a professional trainer or breeder or seller. Not some teenager who has lost their first horse. Does she keep every horse she comes across? Wouldn’t be much of a business. Now I’m not saying that pros don’t fall in love with certain horses and want to keep them as a heart horse and of course, her heart is broken but in strickly a business sense why would you turn down a free $25,000 horse that you could sell and buy something more suitable?
[QUOTE=CFFarm;6956787]
This is what I don’t understand and hope I don’t sound cold hearted saying this but from what I saw of her website she is saying she is a professional trainer or breeder or seller. Not some teenager who has lost their first horse. Does she keep every horse she comes across? Wouldn’t be much of a business. Now I’m not saying that pros don’t fall in love with certain horses and want to keep them as a heart horse and of course, her heart is broken but in strickly a business sense why would you turn down a free $25,000 horse that you could sell and buy something more suitable?[/QUOTE]
well, she also believes that ‘Spanish-Normans’ carried knights into battle…:rolleyes:
Ruby Tuesday I was referring to the newbie post by someone else not you.
I will add though she could have took that CA horse and if she didn’t want it turn it around for a nice profit.
Ah, but CA PERSONALLY matches you to your Signature horse, so it just wouldn’t be perfect if he didn’t assign the horse to you…you can’t pick it out yourself, though you can refuse one you don’t get along with.
As far as re-selling the horse yourself for $25,000? Well, I suppose there is a sucker born every minute…
It is a glorified trail horse - was discussed ad nauseum here
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?282061-Clinton-Anderson-Signature-Horses
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;6957221]
Ah, but CA PERSONALLY matches you to your Signature horse, so it just wouldn’t be perfect if he didn’t assign the horse to you…you can’t pick it out yourself, though you can refuse one you don’t get along with.
As far as re-selling the horse yourself for $25,000? Well, I suppose there is a sucker born every minute…
It is a glorified trail horse - was discussed ad nauseum here
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?282061-Clinton-Anderson-Signature-Horses[/QUOTE]
LOL
still beats a dangerous unrideable one. 
of course, there is the ‘in crowd’ towards this type horse is marketed, for 25k…
presumably the crowd that send their horses there for training…
and we return to the original point…
Well, I have enjoyed the crap out of this thread. As is usual when I check in with CoTH, I’ve learned three new things: Friesians have small lungs. Clinton Anderson is a dick. A necropsy costs between $250 - $3000.
But uh-oh. I also learned a) how many commenters subscribe to the view that amateur owners whose natures tend toward the whimsical are “batshit crazy,” and b) how few commenters seem to be aware of how offensive it is to use euphemisms for mental illness as pejoratives.
RISE UP, DEAD HORSE! Rise so we shall beat you even more!!! RISE, I say!!
[QUOTE=The Crone of Cottonmouth County;6957739]
Well, I have enjoyed the crap out of this thread. As is usual when I check in with CoTH, I’ve learned three new things: Friesians have small lungs. Clinton Anderson is a dick. A necropsy costs between $250 - $3000.
But uh-oh. I also learned a) how many commenters subscribe to the view that amateur owners whose natures tend toward the whimsical are “batshit crazy,” and b) how few commenters seem to be aware of how offensive it is to use euphemisms for mental illness as pejoratives.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think I’ve ever called anyone ‘batshit crazy’ (might have thought it but never said it aloud), but the whimsical owners seem to get caught up in programs such as this. Then when they post, they come off as a bubble off center. I know of some in my area. When you post on the net, it’s out there for comment, pro and con. Offensive or not, depending on your definition of offensive, too nebulous for large groups of people.
[QUOTE=RubyTuesday;6956222]
No way in HELL I would send an animal to ANYONE who said I couldn’t see it for six weeks. Especially if those six weeks cost the advertised $3500!!![/QUOTE]
I know a lot of people have said this but I recently asked for a referral for a driving trainer from the folks on the driving board. I got one for a trainer who has a nice facility and seems legitimate. One of the conditions he has for training is “no visitors for the first 30 days”. Not too different from Clinton’s requirements.
Also, Crone, I have dealt with mentally ill clients for 19 years now. After reading hundreds of psych evals and all the psycho babble contained therein, I have come to the conclusion that “bat shit crazy” should be a legitimate diagnosis along with “mean as a snake” and “dumber than a box of rocks”. Those expressions characterize the behavior of the diagnosed much more accurately that the correct psychological terminology.
[QUOTE=goneriding24;6957856]
I don’t think I’ve ever called anyone ‘batshit crazy’[/QUOTE]
Well, then, I wasn’t referring to you, was I?
What of it? If people choose to be whimsical, how is that any skin off anyone’s nose? When a bunch of sanctimonious strangers on the internet diagnose as mentally ill – and then proceed to openly mock – a grief-stricken woman merely because she likes fairy knobs or whatever, it strikes me as uncivil. That such incivility is universally considered standard practice in the low-stakes world of internet horse forums makes it no less dispiriting.
CA, PP, Monty Roberts and the like, have one thing in common and it’s NOT training. It is simply EGO. If you can really walk the walk, you don’t need the limelight to validate you. I personally know of some excellent trainers. They are local, get the job done right every time. They don’t need to hire students to do their work. They have time to do the work themselves because they aren’t spending it in front of a camera puffing up like a banty rooster.
[QUOTE=ThreeFigs;6955805]
Thanks, Martha Drum – you made my day with your post![/QUOTE]
You’re welcome. And feel free to make those t-shirts, guys.
I wasn’t planning to wallow back into this trough, until I saw it bumped up on the Forums page. But, I have to tell you, we had a little mini-tornado come through Louisa County last Friday night (54 sections of my fence down by trees, tree on barn, several neighbors’ homes and outbuildings destroyed).
So I text one of my lesson kids’ dads that night, “Hey, could you bring a chainsaw out here when you bring DD for her Saturday morning lesson? My horses can’t get to their waterers.”
Sure, dad shows up, walks out to the downed trees next to the waterers (directly outside my ring; in fact the tops of the trees were IN the ring) and starts manfully whaling away at branches.
I did have the student (w/t 5th grader, has cantered twice) stand near me when he started it up, but good ol’ Henry, my 23-year-old Arab/Trakehner schoolhorse, didn’t even twitch and proceeded to trot around the ring, within 10’ of chainsaw buzzing through leafy branches, without batting an eye. Girl couldn’t figure out why I kept laughing every time they came around past Dad!
I almost became a Premium member, just so I could post a picture here. But I think all my extra money is going into tree removal for a while.
(but the critters are safe, so all is well)
[QUOTE=The Crone of Cottonmouth County;6957924]
Well, then, I wasn’t referring to you, was I?
What of it? If people choose to be whimsical, how is that any skin off anyone’s nose? When a bunch of sanctimonious strangers on the internet diagnose as mentally ill – and then proceed to openly mock – a grief-stricken woman merely because she likes fairy knobs or whatever, it strikes me as uncivil. That such incivility is universally considered standard practice in the low-stakes world of internet horse forums makes it no less dispiriting.[/QUOTE]
Wow, hit a nerve, did I??
Okay, princess, my family’s ranch is in the hill country of Texas and you’re going to have to toughen up a bit. I’ve spent a fair amount of time in the hill country too, so know how it mainly works.
IF people want to be whimsical, fine by me. “I” actually like Wicca very much, talking about whimsical. But, when people start posting as the lady who owns the Freisian, she does sound like her elevator doesn’t go to the top. Who is diagnosing?? We have our opinion and on this board, we state 'em. Me for one will not walk on eggshells for anyone.
[QUOTE=lookylou;6956653]
Well, I’m not really sure how to take all that…
I used to ride three or four horses a day in my teens to mid 20’s. I can ride just fine.
I just was saying that I happen to enjoy the groundwork, and I like the results I get. And a lot of times I do some short & sweet stuff, and sometimes I just get on and ride… gasp… a NH’er saying that! The nerve.
I’m just a regular, every day horse person, who happens to like CA. Do I agree with everything, no.
Whatever…
To each their own.[/QUOTE]
No need to get insulted.
I’m psyched that someone with so much riding experience likes the in-depth groundwork. Maybe you can explain it to me? Honestly, maybe there is something I am missing.
Thanks.
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