Did a horse die at Clinton Anderson's ranch?

[goneriding24]

[QUOTE=mvp;6958076]
No need to get insulted.

I’m psyched that someone with so much riding experience likes the in-depth groundwork. Maybe you can explain it to me? Honestly, maybe there is something I am missing.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

About the groundwork…not that I’m a fan of CA, but as I get older, the ground work might be more important than in the past, when I used to hop on and head down the road, consequences be d*mned. Truly, I don’t know what all he does, only what I’ve seen on RFD infomercials, but I have to do more with my guys, so “I” feel safe®. My nerve has bebopped on out of my confidence. This isn’t quite what you mean or were looking for, my POV is more ground handling is better for me. Which is one reason I bought Jackie, the Wonder Mini.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;6956752]
well, if you send your horse to be trained by him, it stands to reason that you want a horse trained by him and are there fore a devotee.

I do have the impression though that the horses he does sell are trained under saddle.

And I am sure the lady in question would have been able to sell said horse to another devotee for a nice lump sum to replace the steed she lost.[/QUOTE]

IIRC, CA’s DUH Ranch website explains that you aren’t getting the CA himself, but one of his apprentices doing the work. And heck, his following knows he’s on the road, not staying home training their horses. I don’t think the HO was misled.

I’m sure CA’s Signature Horse are rideable. Where do they come from? Are they reclaimed PTSD cases, or are these unbroke, virgin colts he’d buy just like anyone else?

I see why CA didn’t offer the HO cash. But, heck yeah, I’d take the horse and have it sold, pronto.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=goneriding24;6958086]
About the groundwork…not that I’m a fan of CA, but as I get older, the ground work might be more important than in the past, when I used to hop on and head down the road, consequences be d*mned. Truly, I don’t know what all he does, only what I’ve seen on RFD infomercials, but I have to do more with my guys, so “I” feel safe®. My nerve has bebopped on out of my confidence. This isn’t quite what you mean or were looking for, my POV is more ground handling is better for me. Which is one reason I bought Jackie, the Wonder Mini.[/QUOTE]

Maybe a good question of another thread: What do you want from the horse on the ground that tells you

1. He’s ready to ride

or

2. There’s nothing else you can do on the ground that will make him better under saddle?

I think I know what the NH guys would say. What I see is their clients never getting there, or getting past that point and frustrating their horses. But I don’t know what non-Kool-Aid drinking, pro-riding types would say.

[cowgirljenn]

[QUOTE=mvp;6958090]
Maybe a good question of another thread: What do you want from the horse on the ground that tells you

1. He’s ready to ride

or

2. There’s nothing else you can do on the ground that will make him better under saddle?

I think I know what the NH guys would say. What I see is their clients never getting there, or getting past that point and frustrating their horses. But I don’t know what non-Kool-Aid drinking, pro-riding types would say.[/QUOTE]

I’m not a NH person, really. I don’t label myself as anything other than a horse person.

For me, I don’t get to work my horses consistently thanks to my job and the emergencies that crop up with it. If I worked with them daily, I think I would do very little ground work (because we would move through things faster).

I like them leading well, stopping when I stop and walking when I walk. On the longe line, I want them to walk, trot, and canter from voice commands and make upward and downward transitions. I want them to learn to carry a saddle and bridle.

Then I long line them/line drive them so they learn some cues with the bridle.

Then it is time to get on them. With the green horses, I tend to longe them before I ride to get their mind on the task ahead (being ridden) but my ultimate goal is to get where I don’t longe before I get on.

Did I answer your question or did I misunderstand? My goal is just to get their mind in the game, get them some basic skills, and and desensitize them to carrying a saddle and bridle before I get on.

[goneriding24]

[QUOTE=mvp;6958090]
Maybe a good question of another thread: What do you want from the horse on the ground that tells you

1. He’s ready to ride

or

2. There’s nothing else you can do on the ground that will make him better under saddle?

I think I know what the NH guys would say. What I see is their clients never getting there, or getting past that point and frustrating their horses. But I don’t know what non-Kool-Aid drinking, pro-riding types would say.[/QUOTE]

Actually, what my gut and brain are starting to say is to get a Steady Eddie if I want to ride. I still look at colts (my 16H and counting, 1200lb Sammy) and see them from 20 years ago, when I had plenty of confidence and chutzpah to ride them through whatever the problem was. The body isn’t cooperating. I’ve been thinking of selling Sammy or finding him a good home and buy another mini or pony and go that route, or the Steady Eddie. Then I found one of my neighbors has done the same thing. Basic cowgirl type, had a stroke (her, not me, just my body falling apart) and is selling off the big horses and doing ponies.

Sammy is one swell horse but the other day, he did a colt thing which really knocked my confidence. Nothing any other colt wouldn’t do but it pinged in my head that I’m IN over my head here. No amount of groundwork would fix it. Scary thought coming from me. Hubby is none too thrilled about my riding Sammy either now.

The upshot is aging bites and it seems now is the time to read the writing on the wall, gotta rethink my horse plans.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=mvp;6958088]
IIRC, CA’s DUH Ranch website explains that you aren’t getting the CA himself, but one of his apprentices doing the work. And heck, his following knows he’s on the road, not staying home training their horses. I don’t think the HO was misled.

I’m sure CA’s Signature Horse are rideable. Where do they come from? Are they reclaimed PTSD cases, or are these unbroke, virgin colts he’d buy just like anyone else?

I see why CA didn’t offer the HO cash. But, heck yeah, I’d take the horse and have it sold, pronto.[/QUOTE]

I think his kind of horse is easily had for a few hundred to a couple of thousand bucks.

i think it’s only honest to state that the students (who pay for the honor to work for him?) do the work. I think other branches of the industry could profit from that approach.

but still, it’s his method, his ranch etc…so yeah, it’s for his followers.

So why would a follower balk at the notion of getting one of his beasties…except of course on is dead set (sorry, no pun intended) on the majikal furries…

(but maybe in this context, Horse Owner should be typed out! :D)

[mvp]

[QUOTE=Worldlylvr67;6957957]
CA, PP, Monty Roberts and the like, have one thing in common and it’s NOT training. It is simply EGO. If you can really walk the walk, you don’t need the limelight to validate you. I personally know of some excellent trainers. They are local, get the job done right every time. They don’t need to hire students to do their work. They have time to do the work themselves because they aren’t spending it in front of a camera puffing up like a banty rooster.[/QUOTE]

My guess is that these guys aren’t making a great wage-- either in a year or over a 40 year career. How much can you get paid to start colts or fix the bad ones… before you get hurt or worn out?

It’s not just for reasons of ego that many horse trainers have to figure out a way to do something other than just ride and ride.

[The_Crone_of_Cottonmouth_Count]

[QUOTE=goneriding24;6958066]
Wow, hit a nerve, did I??

Okay, princess, my family’s ranch is in the hill country of Texas and you’re going to have to toughen up a bit. I’ve spent a fair amount of time in the hill country too, so know how it mainly works.[/QUOTE]

You are misinformed if you attribute to the inhabitants of the Texas hill country some kind of antisocial tradition of insulting jacknuttery.

And that’s Ms. Princess to you, clown.

[goneriding24]

[QUOTE=The Crone of Cottonmouth County;6958173]
You are misinformed if you attribute to the inhabitants of the Texas hill country some kind of antisocial tradition of insulting jacknuttery.

And that’s Ms. Princess to you, clown.[/QUOTE]

Yup, hit a big nerve, princess. HA!! Not misinformed a bit. If they don’t josh you, you aren’t one of them.

[CFFarm]

Yep. Between the DUH ranch and the HO this thread is really starting to sound like an episode of The Simpsons.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=CFFarm;6958550]
Yep. Between the DUH ranch and the HO this thread is really starting to sound like an episode of The Simpsons.[/QUOTE]

:lol:!!!

[The_Crone_of_Cottonmouth_Count]

[QUOTE=goneriding24;6958444]
Yup, hit a big nerve, princess. HA!! Not misinformed a bit. If they don’t josh you, you aren’t one of them.[/QUOTE]

If they’re as rude as you are, then I’m pretty relieved I’m not one of them. Whoever “they” are.

[skydy]

You, who are or have been, in “Texas hill country” are suffering from a drought of one sort or another… Weather related, or are you in dire need of a relaxing cocktail? Whichever is the case, you are not reflecting well on your welcoming heritage.

I have never been in, nor do I know anyone from Texas hill country, so I can’t tell if you are both representatives of, or if you are the antithesis of, “Texas hill country” behavior.

[goneriding24]

[QUOTE=The Crone of Cottonmouth County;6958813]
If they’re as rude as you are, then I’m pretty relieved I’m not one of them. Whoever “they” are.[/QUOTE]

Glad you’re not one of them too.

[goneriding24]

[QUOTE=skydy;6958828]
You, who are or have been, in “Texas hill country” are suffering from a drought of one sort or another… Weather related, or are you in dire need of a relaxing cocktail? Whichever is the case, you are not reflecting well on your welcoming heritage.

I have never been in, nor do I know anyone from Texas hill country, so I can’t tell if you are both representatives of, or if you are the antithesis of, “Texas hill country” behavior. :)[/QUOTE]

Well, a soothing Pepsi would be nice about now.

Texas, when I lived there, in and around the hill country can be both welcoming and pretty prickly. I still have family there. Family which goes back, waaayyyy back.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=cowgirljenn;6958100]
I’m not a NH person, really. I don’t label myself as anything other than a horse person.

For me, I don’t get to work my horses consistently thanks to my job and the emergencies that crop up with it. If I worked with them daily, I think I would do very little ground work (because we would move through things faster).

I like them leading well, stopping when I stop and walking when I walk. On the longe line, I want them to walk, trot, and canter from voice commands and make upward and downward transitions. I want them to learn to carry a saddle and bridle.

Then I long line them/line drive them so they learn some cues with the bridle.

Then it is time to get on them. With the green horses, I tend to longe them before I ride to get their mind on the task ahead (being ridden) but my ultimate goal is to get where I don’t longe before I get on.

Did I answer your question or did I misunderstand? My goal is just to get their mind in the game, get them some basic skills, and and desensitize them to carrying a saddle and bridle before I get on.[/QUOTE]

Nope, you answered the question. Thanks.

And I do what you do, looking for the same things. I started a thread dedicated to this question because, who knows? Maybe some of these groundwork gurus knows something that you and I don’t… 'cause I just.can’t.figure.out what they are doing for, say, more than a week on the ground only.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=CFFarm;6958550]
Yep. Between the DUH ranch and the HO this thread is really starting to sound like an episode of The Simpsons.[/QUOTE]

It lasted a good 20 pages before the descent into cannibalism started.

But I did start a spin-off thread, so, yanno, some of those “beating a dead horse” pages did generate something good.

[hundredacres]

[QUOTE=The Crone of Cottonmouth County;6958813]
If they’re as rude as you are, then I’m pretty relieved I’m not one of them. Whoever “they” are.[/QUOTE]

Crone, can I ask why are you snarky all of the time? I know some people find it witty but I think you’re abrasive and mean. Your posts, which seem to be for entertainment solely (and oddly self-depricating), are tiring - always looking for a stroke or a fight. I find it sad.

[cowgirljenn]

[QUOTE=mvp;6958887]
Nope, you answered the question. Thanks.

And I do what you do, looking for the same things. I started a thread dedicated to this question because, who knows? Maybe some of these groundwork gurus knows something that you and I don’t… 'cause I just.can’t.figure.out what they are doing for, say, more than a week on the ground only.[/QUOTE]

I need to go find that thread - so maybe I can be enlightened. I do ground work for more than a week, but that’s because I so rarely get to be consistent. I love it when life/emergencies/rescue doesn’t intrude and I can really work with a horse consistently and see improvement. (Although that makes me curse the interruptions more!).

[7HL]

[QUOTE=hundredacres;6959070]
Crone, can I ask why are you snarky all of the time? I know some people find it witty but I think you’re abrasive and mean. Your posts, which seem to be for entertainment solely (and oddly self-depricating), are tiring - always looking for a stroke or a fight. I find it sad.[/QUOTE]:lol::lol: SNARKY… love that WORD! It tends to reflect that those that use it are still in their adolescence. If you don’t like the posts block the person. They can still see your posts, but you won’t have the privilege of being entertained by theirs.:lol: And horses die in all sorts of places.