Difference between prohibited substances, banned substances, and forbidden substances

[DownYonder]

I am posting here because the use of “medications” is much more widespread in the hunter world than in dressage land (my regular stomping ground), and I figured you folks would have a better understanding of this topic.

I am looking at this document:

US Equestrian

At the bottom of page 5, there is a short tree diagram of “Prohibited Substances”. Included under that heading are “Controlled Medication Substances” and “Banned Substances”. The following page contains a list of “Examples of Forbidden Substances”.

Page 8 discusses something called “Restricted Medications”.

Can someone explain the difference in terminology between “Prohibited Substances”, “Banned Substances”, and “Forbidden Substances”?

And what is the difference between “Controlled Medication Substances” and “Restricted Medications”?

And apologies for not knowing this stuff. I just haven’t much exposure to this issue.

[Highflyer]

Prohibited Substances are anything the horse can’t legally have and compete.

Controlled Medication Substances are legitimate therapeutic drugs (ie something like Gabapentin, which is sometimes prescribed for nerve pain or headshaking) which aren’t legal for competition because they affect performance.

Banned Substances are drugs that have no therapeutic purpose in horses and aren’t prescribed by ethical vets (ie cocaine).

Restricted Substances are the ones that horses can have certain amounts of within certain time periods (ie a gram of bute 12 hours prior to competition.)

Forbidden Substances are therapeutic drugs from the Prohibited Substances list that are given by a vet for a legitimate treatment reason (ie giving the horse a tranquilizer prior to examining and treating an injury) and that may test. The horse can legally compete 24 hours after receiving them if the proper paperwork is filed.

[hntrjmprpro45]

Forbidden substances are NOT necessarily therapeutic, hence why cocaine is on the list of examples of forbidden substances.

I think what is confusing is that the umbrella diagram is taken from FEI rules which use terms like “banned substances” and “controlled medications”. USEF seems to use “forbidden substances” and “restricted medications”. Both use the term “prohibited substances” I believe.

[vineyridge]

Always remember that dressage, all the way down to the bottom, is more or less controlled by FEI rules. If you are a rider in a discipline that is FEI, the FEI has demanded that the USEF adopt most of its drug protocol. So you are controlled by the distinctions between prohibited and therapeutic in the FEI Rules. Go to the FEI Rules, read their Rule 2, Rule 3 (less 3.1 and 3.2.3), Rule 4 and Rule 8.2 and you’ve got the the guts of the USEF Rules for Dressage (except that USEF trainers are the Persons Responsible, not the riders)

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8308760]
Always remember that dressage, all the way down to the bottom, is more or less controlled by FEI rules. If you are a rider in a discipline that is FEI, the FEI has demanded that the USEF adopt most of its drug protocol. So you are controlled by the distinctions between prohibited and therapeutic in the FEI Rules. Go to the FEI Rules, read their Rule 2, Rule 3 (less 3.1 and 3.2.3), Rule 4 and Rule 8.2 and you’ve got the the guts of the USEF Rules for Dressage (except that USEF trainers are the Persons Responsible, not the riders)[/QUOTE]

Yes, I realize that. But I wasn’t asking vis-a-vis dressage - rather a general question regarding the document I posted the link to.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=Highflyer;8308423]
Prohibited Substances are anything the horse can’t legally have and compete.

Controlled Medication Substances are legitimate therapeutic drugs (ie something like Gabapentin, which is sometimes prescribed for nerve pain or headshaking) which aren’t legal for competition because they affect performance.

Banned Substances are drugs that have no therapeutic purpose in horses and aren’t prescribed by ethical vets (ie cocaine).

Restricted Substances are the ones that horses can have certain amounts of within certain time periods (ie a gram of bute 12 hours prior to competition.)

Forbidden Substances are therapeutic drugs from the Prohibited Substances list that are given by a vet for a legitimate treatment reason (ie giving the horse a tranquilizer prior to examining and treating an injury) and that may test. The horse can legally compete 24 hours after receiving them if the proper paperwork is filed.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. That is helpful.

[phanilah]

"A Prohibited Substance is defined by the FEI as “any substance that
is not allowed in a horse’s system during competition.” That same list is
further divided into two sub-categories, Controlled Medication Substances
List and the Banned Substances List. The definitions for each is as follows:

Controlled Medication Substances are those commonly used in equine
medicine, but are prohibited in competition. For a current listing of
medications that appear on this list, visit www.feicleansport.org

Banned Substances are doping substances or other substances for which
there is no medical or therapeutic value and therefore have no place in
equine sport. A current listing of these substances can be found on
www.feicleansport.org"

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=hntrjmprpro45;8308745]
Forbidden substances are NOT necessarily therapeutic, hence why cocaine is on the list of examples of forbidden substances.

I think what is confusing is that the umbrella diagram is taken from FEI rules which use terms like “banned substances” and “controlled medications”. USEF seems to use “forbidden substances” and “restricted medications”. Both use the term “prohibited substances” I believe.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It would be much more clear to the reader if they specified that the tree diagram was from FEI - which uses differently terminology than USEF. And if they made a clear distinction somewhere regarding the difference in terms.