Difference Dyon Bridle/PS of Sweden Bridle

[HicksteadFan]

I just heard about this today. http://www.runningfox.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=994&category_id=33&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=52

My horse has had some poll injuries in the past. The chiropractor has trouble adjusting her head because she will pull away. I also don’t cross tie her because occasionally something will “trigger” and she’ll pull back until something breaks (and I don’t want it to be her neck). Her poll is the only issue, other than that she is a perfect horse. I actually have no trouble with her when riding. But I think this bridle might make her even more comfortable. Any thoughts on this? She’s had on many different types of bridles, bits, adjusted differently and they don’t seem to phase her so getting used to something different isn’t a problem for her. (Unfortunately she’s a TB with a cob sized head so it will look terrible on her.) Does it really make a difference in comfort and is it worth the money?

Would you use it on as a regular bridle on a horse that doesn’t have problems? My horse won’t be around forever so I’d like this expensive bridle to be an investment for the future.

If anyone has it, where did you get it? I need preferably Canada but otherwise cheap shipping to Canada. Do you think I can get it anywhere second hand? The things are crazy expensive.

Also they are legal in dressage right? The rules describe what nosebands are allowed. It has a regular cavesson nose band and they make double bridles too so I assume its ok.

And one quick last question, are there any made without the flash attachment piece on the nose band? I don’t use a flash and probably won’t on most if not all horses.

[AZ_TD]

Not legal for US dressage at this time.

[beowulf]

The straps underneath make it illegal, I believe.

That being said, do you have a padded poll/crown already? I’m not 100% convinced by the Difference’s construction.

I have a Passier, Ingrid Klimke - it’s super cushy up along the crown, and very soft. I noticed a difference in my horse’s acceptance of putting the bridle on within a few rides in the bridle. Less expensive than the Dyon and is dressage legal.

[DressageChic2]

look at the PS of Sweden bridles-they ARE legal (in the US and the Uk where i am based) and i know plenty of people who think they make a big difference…

…i personally have nothing to compare to as my 3yo was backed in his and is super good in the contact but that could be the bridle, or could just be him-he is a mellow soft necked guy by nature but they are good quality and look nice and the design can only help reduce pressure

[Daisyesq]

[QUOTE=AZ TD;8366042]
Not legal for US dressage at this time.[/QUOTE]

I’m wondering where you have heard or derived this information?

It would be great if Dy’on manufacturer would get involved and obtain a specific “permission” by USEF as some bit manufacturers appear to have been done.

I read the U.S. rules for dressage bridles https://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2015/08-DR.pdf DR 121 and nothing prohibits this bridle. The chinstrap/cavesson underneath are shown in a very similar fashion in an illustration in these rules. The browband/poll arrangement is not illustrated specifically in the rules, but does not seem to be prohibited either? A browband is required, but the rule does not say that the browband must be loose, rather than fixed to the cavesson.

[HicksteadFan]

[QUOTE=DressageChic2;8366084]
look at the PS of Sweden bridles-they ARE legal (in the US and the Uk where i am based) and i know plenty of people who think they make a big difference…

…i personally have nothing to compare to as my 3yo was backed in his and is super good in the contact but that could be the bridle, or could just be him-he is a mellow soft necked guy by nature but they are good quality and look nice and the design can only help reduce pressure :)[/QUOTE]

The PS of Sweden looks interesting. I would go for one of the plainer, thinner ones without a crank noseband. Any more reviews on this type of bridle? Can someone tell me first of all how to tell which have a crank noseband? Some say in the description, but others don’t and the pictures look like cranks. Also some of the bridles have clips to hold on the bit whereas others have the traditional attachment. What’s this about? I did read the part about the elastic inserts.

[AZ_TD]

The position of the poll piece so far back makes it illegal at this time. You can send a picture of the bridle to USEF and get their ruling on it and if they say it is legal bring a copy of it to shows. Also, post it here so the rest of us can know what they say.

[TankDiveGirl]

I was told today on another site that the Dy’on is specifically prohibited in the new proposed rule changes, and the PS of Sweden bridles may be as well, but it depends on the construction. Just FYI.

[HicksteadFan]

[QUOTE=TankDiveGirl;8370682]
I was told today on another site that the Dy’on is specifically prohibited in the new proposed rule changes, and the PS of Sweden bridles may be as well, but it depends on the construction. Just FYI.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I may hold off on buying a new bridle. My horse won’t be ridden again until about May. My family is also moving to a more agricultural/horsey area where I’ll hopefully be able to find a good dressage trainer who will be able to help me with bridles.

[Daisyesq]

[QUOTE=TankDiveGirl;8370682]
I was told today on another site that the Dy’on is specifically prohibited in the new proposed rule changes, and the PS of Sweden bridles may be as well, but it depends on the construction. Just FYI.[/QUOTE]

True. The new proposed USEF rule DR 121.2 describes permitted bridles. The new proposed wording is this: “The crownpiece of the bridle must lie immediately behind the poll and may extend forward onto
the poll, but it may not be fitted to lie behind the skull (see diagram). Bridles are not permitted in which the noseband is connected to the bit or
cheekpiece below the level of the browband.” Full proposed rule here: https://www.usef.org/documents/ruleChanges/444-15.pdf

I really do not know why the USEF would prohibit a bridle that relieves poll pressure, just because it is innovative. The “intent” of the new rule is stated as: “To further clarify rules with new advancements in equipment being released on the market”

Personally, I do not think this is a “clarification”. It was not prohibited by the old rules. It is prohibited in the new rules.

[LarkspurCO]

Hmm… That is one ugly bridle.

Who’s to say that pressure behind the poll is better than pressure on the poll? Not that I’m a fan of excess pressure anyway, but where that crown piece falls is where my horse is most often tight.

I finally ordered a PS of Sweden bridle – can’t wait to try it!

Wait – whoa! That Dyon bridle is $659.95? Even uglier!!

[HicksteadFan]

Ok. I can see the Dyon bridle is not legal now. Sucks for the company, they have a lot of dressage bridles. But the Ps of Sweden crown piece does lie on the poll.
Also LarkspurCO I was wondering about the bridle for my horse specifically not horses in general. She has injuries to her poll and its pretty sensitive. For her, less poll pressure is better. Once you’ve tried out the PS bridle, tell me about it (like if it makes a difference, sizing, do you use the elastic straps on the bit). And pics are always great too.

[LarkspurCO]

[QUOTE=Daisyesq;8372181]
True. The new proposed USEF rule DR 121.2 describes permitted bridles. The new proposed wording is this: “The crownpiece of the bridle must lie immediately behind the poll and may extend forward onto
the poll, but it may not be fitted to lie behind the skull (see diagram). Bridles are not permitted in which the noseband is connected to the bit or
cheekpiece below the level of the browband.” Full proposed rule here: https://www.usef.org/documents/ruleChanges/444-15.pdf

I really do not know why the USEF would prohibit a bridle that relieves poll pressure, just because it is innovative. The “intent” of the new rule is stated as: “To further clarify rules with new advancements in equipment being released on the market”

Personally, I do not think this is a “clarification”. It was not prohibited by the old rules. It is prohibited in the new rules.[/QUOTE]

I agree. That just adds confusion and doesn’t clarify anything. What do they mean by the “noseband connected to the cheekpiece below the level of the browband”? The rulebook specifically allows a Micklem bridle, which could be disallowed based on this language… I think?

[LarkspurCO]

You know, looking more closely at that Dyon Difference, I don’t like the idea of the extra straps under the jaw. I think those must be there to keep the crown from sliding forward onto the poll. It looks like those straps might irritate the horse in other ways.

This new PS of Sweden with the clinches is really pretty and it doesn’t have a crank:

http://www.psofsweden.com/en/for-the-horse/bridle/winninground-revolution.html

I ordered the Jump Off Revolution for my horse. I will let you know what I think and definitely get some pictures.

[HicksteadFan]

I’m looking at the Flat Out Revolutions bridle or the Winning Round Revolution (link in the above post). I’m not really into the “bling” of the Winning Round, and I also would like the flash attachment to be completely removable. I like the Flat Out Revolution but can someone tell me why the cheek pieces clip onto the bit instead of “buckle” (not really a buckle but what do you call it?) onto the bit? I’m not sure my horse would like the elastic inserts anyway so that’s fine, just wondering why it is so different from the others. And there are no rules about that right? All I can find is the pictures of bridles, but no explanations in the FEI rules.

[TankDiveGirl]

No bit clips and no elastic bit inserts per USEF… And Micklem bridles will remain legal. I had this clarified on facebook earlier this week.

[AZ_TD]

Noseband can’t have metal in it. See below:
DR121.2 “Except for the FEI Pony tests, a crescent noseband is also permitted at
these levels. Except for the crescent noseband, buckles and a small disk of sheepskin, which may be used in the intersection of the two leather straps of a crossed noseband, the headstall and cavesson/noseband of the bridle must be made entirely of leather or leather-like material”

[QUOTE=LarkspurCO;8372600]
You know, looking more closely at that Dyon Difference, I don’t like the idea of the extra straps under the jaw. I think those must be there to keep the crown from sliding forward onto the poll. It looks like those straps might irritate the horse in other ways.

This new PS of Sweden with the clinches is really pretty and it doesn’t have a crank:

http://www.psofsweden.com/en/for-the-horse/bridle/winninground-revolution.html

I ordered the Jump Off Revolution for my horse. I will let you know what I think and definitely get some pictures.[/QUOTE]

[HicksteadFan]

Thank you everybody for the replies. Especially about the rules. But the rules are seriously getting ridiculous. As if clinches on the bridle are going to affect how the horse moves! I guess I won’t be getting one of these bridles. The search goes on.

[LarkspurCO]

[QUOTE=AZ TD;8373944]
Noseband can’t have metal in it. See below:
DR121.2 “Except for the FEI Pony tests, a crescent noseband is also permitted at
these levels. Except for the crescent noseband, buckles and a small disk of sheepskin, which may be used in the intersection of the two leather straps of a crossed noseband, the headstall and cavesson/noseband of the bridle must be made entirely of leather or leather-like material”[/QUOTE]

Ah, so. No blingy nosebands for showing. One less thing to buy!

[HicksteadFan]

I’ve just noticed that alot of the rules posted are for the US (guess I could have paid better attention). I’m Canadian and will probably never compete in the US. Unless I’m looking in the wrong place (which could very well be the case) I can’t find many of these rules in the Equine Canada dressage rules or the FEI dressage rules. Can someone tell me if many of these new rules apply to Canada as well.