Interesting that blood percentages are 50% or so as opposed to 90% in eventing - what’s the betting dressage is <20%?
All of which goes to show what’s bred in the bone will out in the flesh.
[QUOTE=FLIPPED HER HALO;6484617]
Here is some of the info I found.
Gold Medal Team – Great Britian
BIG STAR – 9 yo 16.3h KWPN by Quick Star XX/XO 50.59%
TRIPPLE X – 10 yo 17h AES by Namelus R XX/XO 41.02%
HELLO SANCTOS – 10 yo 16.2h SBS by Quasimodo VD Molendreef XX/XO 48.63%
Murka’s Vindicat W – 10 yo 16.1h KWPN by Guidam XX/XO 51.95%
Silver Medal Team - Netherlands
VDL BUBALU – 12 yo 16.3h KWPN by Baloubet du Rouet XX/XO 48.05%
VERDI – 10 yo 16.3h KWPN by Quidam de Revel XX/XO 56.05%
TAMINO – 12 yo 16.3h KWPN by Numero Uno XX/XO 43.75%
LONDON - ??
Bronze Medal Team – Saudi Arabia
DAVOS – 12 yo 15.3h KWPN by Carthago XX/XO 49.22% (Saudi Equestrian bought Prince Abdullah’s horse Davos from American show jumper Candice King in June last year. SKARA GLEN’S DAVOS)
NOBLESSE DES TESS – 11 yo ?h Selle Francis by Cavalor Cumano XX/XO 33.20% (Noblesse des Tess, ridden by Kamal Bahamdan, was previously the ride of Colombia’s Rene Lopez.)
BAYARD VAN DE VILLA THERE – 11 yo ?h BWP by KASHMIR VAN SCHUTTERSHOF XX/XO 47.46% (Ramzy Al Duhami’s mount Bayard Van de Villa Theresia was one of the first horses bought by the organisation, in early 2010 in Belgium. )
SULTAN – Abdullah Waleed Sharbatly’s horse Sultan came on board in January, after being ridden by top British rider Bruce Menzies.
Switzerland
NINO DES BUISSONNETS - 11 yo Selle Francais by Kannan XX/XO 44.53%
CASTLEFIELD ECLIPSE - 10yo ISH by Obos Quality 004 XX/XO 15.04%
KIAMON - 10yo Berlin Brandenburg by Kolibri XX/XO 18.16%
CARLINA IV - 11yo Holsteiner by Carvallo XX/XO 56.45%
Canada
GEORGE - ??
DERLY CHIN DE MUZE - 9yo BWP by For Pleasure XX/XO 40.23%
STAR POWER - 11yo KWPN by Quick Star XX/XO 54.49%
USA
ANTARES - ??
VIA VOLO - 14yo 15.2h BWP by Clinton XX/XO 47.07%
CYLANA – 10yo BWP by Toulon XX/XO 42.38%
FLEXIBLE - 16yo 1.62m ISH by Cruising XX/XO 56.45%[/QUOTE]
SWEDEN
CASALL LA SILLA - 1999 167cm XX/XO 50.00%
LUNATIC - 1998 163cm XX/OX 38,87%
MATRIX - 2002 170cm XX/OX 50,59%
ALLERDINGS - 2000 xxxcm XX/OX 24,61%
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Perhaps the new Chef D’equippe will see that Richard Spooner should be on the US team. Time for GM to bow out.
The team really did well with Frank Chapot at the helm.
It is interesting that other countries offer financial help to their riders. I guess the US, needs more patrons of the sport. Back in the 60’s the Butlers used to buy top horses and donate them to the USET. Of course that was back in the 60’s when Steinkraus, Kathy Kusner and Mary and Frank Chapot rode for the team.[/QUOTE]
THIS ! why in the world Spooner and Cristallo weren’t selected is beyond me. They were very hot and had tons of worldwide experience.
I think the rule that kept Cedric and Laura off the team is just stupid. Who cares who owns the horse if the rider combo is the same ?
The young girl did awesome but I think if she and Beezie were replaced with Spooner and Kraut , we would have probably been far better.
[QUOTE=LucyShow;6484737]
SWEDEN
CASALL LA SILLA - 1999 167cm XX/XO 50.00%
LUNATIC - 1998 163cm XX/OX 38,87%
MATRIX - 2002 170cm XX/OX 50,59%
ALLERDINGS - 2000 xxxcm XX/OX 24,61%[/QUOTE]
Thanks! I ran out of time and was having a hard time finding some of them.
The Great Britian ones I got directly off their team website and those are the heights listed there.
[QUOTE=Molly Malone;6484714]
Interesting that blood percentages are 50% or so as opposed to 90% in eventing - what’s the betting dressage is <20%?
All of which goes to show what’s bred in the bone will out in the flesh.[/QUOTE]
There was actually a thread a while ago on the xx blood in Jumpers and it was a lot higher than many people guessed (including myself I think LOL)
But IIRC, there was a difference in the % of blood vs the % of close blood.
And I wonder how this carries over to the Eventing argument as well.
What is the % of TB blood, vs having one PARENT being a full TB, or whatever else one might consider relevant as having blood up close, is there in the top 10 Olympic finishers vs WEG vs Burghley vs Rolex or any number other meaningful upper level Events?
[QUOTE=FLIPPED HER HALO;6484617]
Here is some of the info I found.
Gold Medal Team – Great Britian
BIG STAR – 9 yo 16.3h KWPN by Quick Star XX/XO 50.59%
TRIPPLE X – 10 yo 17h AES by Namelus R XX/XO 41.02%
HELLO SANCTOS – 10 yo 16.2h SBS by Quasimodo VD Molendreef XX/XO 48.63%
Murka’s Vindicat W – 10 yo 16.1h KWPN by Guidam XX/XO 51.95%
Silver Medal Team - Netherlands
VDL BUBALU – 12 yo 16.3h KWPN by Baloubet du Rouet XX/XO 48.05%
VERDI – 10 yo 16.3h KWPN by Quidam de Revel XX/XO 56.05%
TAMINO – 12 yo 16.3h KWPN by Numero Uno XX/XO 43.75%
LONDON - ??
Bronze Medal Team – Saudi Arabia
DAVOS – 12 yo 15.3h KWPN by Carthago XX/XO 49.22% (Saudi Equestrian bought Prince Abdullah’s horse Davos from American show jumper Candice King in June last year. SKARA GLEN’S DAVOS)
NOBLESSE DES TESS – 11 yo ?h Selle Francis by Cavalor Cumano XX/XO 33.20% (Noblesse des Tess, ridden by Kamal Bahamdan, was previously the ride of Colombia’s Rene Lopez.)
BAYARD VAN DE VILLA THERE – 11 yo ?h BWP by KASHMIR VAN SCHUTTERSHOF XX/XO 47.46% (Ramzy Al Duhami’s mount Bayard Van de Villa Theresia was one of the first horses bought by the organisation, in early 2010 in Belgium. )
SULTAN – Abdullah Waleed Sharbatly’s horse Sultan came on board in January, after being ridden by top British rider Bruce Menzies.
Switzerland
NINO DES BUISSONNETS - 11 yo Selle Francais by Kannan XX/XO 44.53%
CASTLEFIELD ECLIPSE - 10yo ISH by Obos Quality 004 XX/XO 15.04%
KIAMON - 10yo Berlin Brandenburg by Kolibri XX/XO 18.16%
CARLINA IV - 11yo Holsteiner by Carvallo XX/XO 56.45%
Canada
GEORGE - ??
DERLY CHIN DE MUZE - 9yo BWP by For Pleasure XX/XO 40.23%
STAR POWER - 11yo KWPN by Quick Star XX/XO 54.49%
USA
ANTARES - ??
VIA VOLO - 14yo 15.2h BWP by Clinton XX/XO 47.07%
CYLANA – 10yo BWP by Toulon XX/XO 42.38%
FLEXIBLE - 16yo 1.62m ISH by Cruising XX/XO 56.45%[/QUOTE]
The XX/XO figures are interesting but without the pedigree they do not tell you much. (thank-you for posting them all, just discussing the information behind the numbers).
For instance, Star Power 54% has his first full Tb ancestor pre 1950(4 gens back), and then most are pre 1940.
Flexible, 56% , has 50% Tb within three generations and his first one within 2. Even though the numbers are similar the Tb influence is very different. There should be a co-factor with those numbers to reflect the generations.
Ha, you read my mind 
[QUOTE=JB;6485020]
Ha, you read my mind :)[/QUOTE]
Your fast on the draw!
Also what the breeder selects for heavily influences what is actually passed along. So for instance if you start wil a pony mare and keep breeding based on her and her offspring to a Tb/pony cross stallion and only select the most Tb looking offspring, you will not see the pony traits very often. But same experiment and you choose the pony traits in your breeding stock, you will see a different outcome even with the same initial breeding stock. Breeding culture and choices mean everything.
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THIS ! why in the world Spooner and Cristallo weren’t selected is beyond me. They were very hot and had tons of worldwide experience.
I think the rule that kept Cedric and Laura off the team is just stupid. Who cares who owns the horse if the rider combo is the same ?
The young girl did awesome but I think if she and Beezie were replaced with Spooner and Kraut , we would have probably been far better.[/QUOTE]
Not sure why this is ‘beyond you’?
The fact is that Richard Spooner did not apply for the team.
In order to be considered he needed to declare his intent and compete in the selection trials.He did neither and made public statements that he was not interested, blaming GM for the reason he did not apply.
Over the years many pros have made statements that going to the Olympics costs them money in training, showing and sales revenue and some have said they are simply not interested for financial reasons. Some of the Eventing team riders left ASAP to return to the US for domestic competition for their clients.
Cedric was in the 3rd spot after the selection trials and was on the nominated Olympic list in 8th place after disappointing performances in the mandatory events. I think towards the end of the selection process Cedric had a 12 fault round. So he was not eliminated from the team. Instead his performance did not make the cut.
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Not sure why this is ‘beyond you’?
The fact is that Richard Spooner did not apply for the team.
In order to be considered he needed to declare his intent and compete in the selection trials.He did neither and made public statements that he was not interested, blaming GM for the reason he did not apply.
Over the years many pros have made statements that going to the Olympics costs them money in training, showing and sales revenue and some have said they are simply not interested for financial reasons. Some of the Eventing team riders left ASAP to return to the US for domestic competition for their clients.
Cedric was in the 3rd spot after the selection trials and was on the nominated Olympic list in 8th place after disappointing performances in the mandatory events. I think towards the end of the selection process Cedric had a 12 fault round. So he was not eliminated from the team. Instead his performance did not make the cut.[/QUOTE]
You are incorrect. The sale of Cedric prevented him from being selected to the team.
I didn’t know that about Spooner’s dis-interest. Thanks for explaining it.
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You are incorrect. The sale of Cedric prevented him from being selected to the team.
I didn’t know that about Spooner’s dis-interest. Thanks for explaining it.[/QUOTE]
um.No
He was already OUT of contention for a spot on the team back in June when the Olympic nominating list was approved.
As I said, he was in 8th place at the time and was not close to being on the final team or even an alternate.
The sale had nothing to do with it. He wouldn’t have been selected because of poor performances even if there had been no sale.
If you care to check the H/J forum there were threads about Spooner’s position on the Oympics and GM. And if you do an internet search you’ll find interview quotes from Spooner that mention his situation concerning GM.
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um.No
He was already OUT of contention for a spot on the team back in June when the Olympic nominating list was approved.
As I said, he was in 8th place at the time and was not close to being on the final team or even an alternate.
The sale had nothing to do with it. He wouldn’t have been selected because of poor performances even if there had been no sale.
If you care to check the H/J forum there were threads about Spooner’s position on the Oympics and GM. And if you do an internet search you’ll find interview quotes from Spooner that mention his situation concerning GM.[/QUOTE]
Um…no. Laura personally told me his sale was the cause of it. Cedric is one of the best horses in the world and can win on any course on any day. His performance at a few shows was irrelevant. Look how he performed at Aachen.
I agree with you about GM. I think it’s time for him to go.
Looks like the Holsteiner Verband has once again come up dry in the World Championship (Olympics) of SJ where medals are concerned. At the 2010 WEG their top horse was fifth. Their top horse this Olympics is the Mexican rider on Rosalia.
And in the Teams, none of the medal winners are registered Holsteiner.
Congratulations to the SFs for their gold, and to the BWP for silver and the Oldenburgs for bronze.
Is the day of the Holsteiner over in International Show Jumping?:winkgrin:
I was mostly disappointed at the lack of women riders on the poduim for both the team and individual medals. I always thought one unique aspect of the horse sports are that women and men compete together
[QUOTE=vineyridge;6486410]
Looks like the Holsteiner Verband has once again come up dry in the World Championship (Olympics) of SJ where medals are concerned. At the 2010 WEG their top horse was fifth. Their top horse this Olympics is the Mexican rider on Rosalia.
And in the Teams, none of the medal winners are registered Holsteiner.
Congratulations to the SFs for their gold, and to the BWP for silver and the Oldenburgs for bronze.
Is the day of the Holsteiner over in International Show Jumping?:winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen you put forth.
#1 studbook in the world , #1 horse in the world and the #1 female family in the world for the production of international showjumpers.
You’re ridiculous.
[QUOTE=vineyridge;6486410]
Looks like the Holsteiner Verband has once again come up dry in the World Championship (Olympics) of SJ where medals are concerned. At the 2010 WEG their top horse was fifth. Their top horse this Olympics is the Mexican rider on Rosalia.
And in the Teams, none of the medal winners are registered Holsteiner.
Congratulations to the SFs for their gold, and to the BWP for silver and the Oldenburgs for bronze.
Is the day of the Holsteiner over in International Show Jumping?:winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Oh goodness. Are you trying to pick a fight or what? 
Prediction–this thread will go downhill pretty dang fast from here…
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Holsteiners haven’t medalled at the last WEG and this Olympics.
Bayhawk can’t take credit for horses in other studbooks in showjumping just because they come from Holsteiner lines if the TB can’t take credit for their lines in eventing.
At the moment, it would seem that the most successful sire lines in these Olympics come from the SF.
The calculation of WBFSH rankings has been criticized over and over for being less than mathematically sound.
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I was mostly disappointed at the lack of women riders on the poduim for both the team and individual medals. I always thought one unique aspect of the horse sports are that women and men compete together[/QUOTE]
But aren’t there more men “up there” than women? Maybe significantly more? I don’t know - honest question.
If that’s the case, then while there are absolutely some top notch women, the numbers game will always be such that the larger % of the population will end up with a larger % up on the podium, even sometimes to the exclusion of the smaller %
[QUOTE=vineyridge;6486627]
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Holsteiners haven’t medalled at the last WEG and this Olympics.
Bayhawk can’t take credit for horses in other studbooks in showjumping just because they come from Holsteiner lines if the TB can’t take credit for their lines in eventing.
At the moment, it would seem that the most successful sire lines in these Olympics come from the SF.
The calculation of WBFSH rankings has been criticized over and over for being less than mathematically sound.[/QUOTE]
You have no TB breed ranking. You have no TB ranked anywhere near the top. You have no TB female family ranked. the only thing you can do is claim TB blood percentage in other breeds horses.
The difference between you and I…I don’t claim Holsteiner blood i.e Mylord Carthago if its not a holsteiner. I didn’t claim it in Hickstead , Sapphire , Big Star etc.
If wishes were horses, your TB’s would be more relative other than in the generational production of Warmbloods. Unfortunately…all you have are wishes.
[QUOTE=vineyridge;6486410]
Looks like the Holsteiner Verband has once again come up dry in the World Championship (Olympics) of SJ where medals are concerned. At the 2010 WEG their top horse was fifth. Their top horse this Olympics is the Mexican rider on Rosalia.
And in the Teams, none of the medal winners are registered Holsteiner.
Congratulations to the SFs for their gold, and to the BWP for silver and the Oldenburgs for bronze.
Is the day of the Holsteiner over in International Show Jumping?:winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I predict a “don’t know don’t care” approach, followed by “the horse has a Holsteiner somewhere in the pedigree so that’s the only reason it’s a good jumper” approach.
Have to go back 4 generations to find the first Holsteiner in the gold medalist’s pedigree. :winkgrin:
