Dish shaped profiles in TB's: are there certain lines that produce this?

I had a fabulous mare with a dished face. She also had a very small muzzle, wore a 4.5" bit, with a BIG forehead, and she was a decent sized horse, 16.2hh.

Our time together predated digital pictures, so I can’t share pics…One of these years I’ll get some photos scanned!!!

Here’s her pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/middle+won

She was line bred to Princequillo, and I think she resembled him :slight_smile:

Judysmom, that’s a lovely pedigree of the kind that you very, very rarely see these days.

Mahmoud was very Araby looking, but I can’t recall if he had a dished face to go with his body.

Vineyridge- she was truly a wonderful horse!

Was a great jumper- bought her from a guy who was doing the 4’6" - 5’ jumpers with her. She was the only horse I have ever jumped over 5’ on. Stayed sound until she died. Great horse.

She had a couple of foals by a son of Damascus and has a few grand foals floating around. Thought I saw one (the youngest) on Canter last summer, but moved too slow. Listing was up only a few days. Sigh.

Native Dancer, I would imagine. ND had a nice dished head, although when you see pics of him as a youngster with his uneven graying, you can’t always see it. But when he was fully grayed out, it’s easy to see where the King of Calder got his looks from.

Here’s a photo of a completely grayed out Native Dancer. I don’t see much, if any, dish; but it could just be the photo.

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Do people like the dishy faces in tbs? I like my one tb mare but would be happier if she had a more ‘classic’ face but the has HUGE jowls and a little dainty nose and a slight dish. Is it just personal preference? or is there a standard?

I recently got this fellow and LOVE his face.
http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/Grey-Run/horse%20camping/?action=view&current=_IGP7559.jpg

http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/Grey-Run/horse%20camping/?action=view&current=_IGP7555.jpg

oh and dishy arab face girl http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/Grey-Run/?action=view&current=_IGP3048.jpg bloodlines are http://www.pedigreequery.com/dash+valley

[QUOTE=LaurieB;6452367]
We had a mare with a beautiful dished head. She also reproduced it in several of her foals. This is her pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/hot+weekend[/QUOTE]

Interesting, because Summer Squall had what I always kind of thought was a rather coarse, heavy head. Almost Roman-nosed. He passed that head on to Charismatic, too.

Here is my double HTF mare. She is 16.2H.

Pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/run+really+run

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small heads

In the UK most of the offspring of Beneficial have identical heads. Tiny heads with very broad foreheads, arab- type eyes and a tiny dished nosed. Beneficial is the leading National Hunt sire and its so unusual to see NH horses have such tiny dainty heads!
I have also seen some Miners Lamp offspring with exactly the same heads. Some of them look identical to the Beneficial offspring.

Miners Lamp is by High Top, and Beneficial is a grandson of High Top. So its something to do with the High Top line?

My teacup muzzle mare

I constantly get arab or angloarab as the guess. I’ve even flipped the lip from time to time. She can take smaller than 5" bits. She’s Wild Escapade (Wild Again) on top out of a Naked Sky mare. Her full brother looks just like her.

[QUOTE=Aven;6453815]
Do people like the dishy faces in tbs? I like my one tb mare but would be happier if she had a more ‘classic’ face but the has HUGE jowls and a little dainty nose and a slight dish. Is it just personal preference? or is there a standard?

I recently got this fellow and LOVE his face.
http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/Grey-Run/horse%20camping/?action=view&current=_IGP7559.jpg

http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/Grey-Run/horse%20camping/?action=view&current=_IGP7555.jpg

oh and dishy arab face girl http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd125/Grey-Run/?action=view&current=_IGP3048.jpg bloodlines are http://www.pedigreequery.com/dash+valley[/QUOTE]

How neat that he is a bloody shouldered gray. Another trait from the very old days that still pops up occasionally in the modern TB.

[QUOTE=vineyridge;6454137]
How neat that he is a bloody shouldered gray. Another trait from the very old days that still pops up occasionally in the modern TB.[/QUOTE]

That for me is what convinces me that old traits live on, so long lost relatives still have their importance.

If color traits live on through generations, so must the rest, no?

Here are a couple pics of my Favorite Trick - Pleasant Colony gelding:

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Pictures don’t show how pretty he was :sadsmile:.

Both of my stallions have very refined faces that they passed on. The last foal (mare) out of my foundation mare could pass for an Anglo-Arab as could her daughter. All wear cob sized bridles and have broad foreheads, big eyes and tiny noses. Huntsman’s cob sized bridle had to be cut down for his tiny nose. The Starlight filly out of a Murray daughter also has a dishy face.
PennyG

try the pic in wikipedia. Also a lot of the old sagamore video footage shows him looking a bit typey through the head.

Pics are so unreliable when it comes to heads though:

pretty head

pretty head

seriously, that is not the same horse, right?

a noble head, yes, but not that dished

(for the record, in person he looks stunningly elegant with oversized doe eyes, tiny ears and a dished profile, but it’s rare I’ve seen it in a photograph!)

So many ways to lie and we haven’t even touched on a “blaze tragedy” versus a more flattering angle

:lol:

As most of you know, I love Native Dancer, DTA and his full brother, Strong Performance. Murray’s Law is from a Native Dancer damline, through Jig Time. I bred his daughter to a Strong Performance (DTA was deceased by the time I got around to sending her) and the resulting foal and her dam have gorgeous heads and faces. Murray’s daughter, Daring Misdemeanor also has a gorgeous head which she has passed on to her Starlight daughter. Her Corlando son is not as refined, but has that beautiful eye and broad face and lovely neck from her. Huntsman was not from ND lines but his head was superb.
PennyG

[QUOTE=Heinz 57;6453424]
My gelding out of a PC mare has the most un-dished head you’ll ever see. :lol: It’s long and borderline roman. He also has HTF, through his sire, Personal Flag.

Picture added as proof. :lol:[/QUOTE]

I love that head!

Oh I will play since I have no power and just my trusty IPad. Only can’t post pictures so lame post. However, Viney may be able to comment. I have a TB mare who while gorgeous ( I think) does NOT have a refined head. I bred her to Sir Wanabi and sans pictures to prove? The filly has a drop dead dainty albeit perhaps not exactly a dish head …but wide at the forehead and narrow at the nostrils!

The mare ? Flying Mountain? Two gen back Relauch top AND bottom…Who knows where the head came from …Dad?

I don’t know that line, but I do know some stallions are very, very prepotent for exquisite heads, aka Rosenthal.

[QUOTE=skydy;6455491]
I love that head![/QUOTE]

Why thank you. I’ll give it an extra pat tonight from skydy. :wink: