DIY/Budget tips for winter circuits!

I didn’t respond yesterday because my reaction to this question is a bit knee-jerk.

That said, I sort of find this question offensive. It feels like the implication is that if you cut your daily Starbs habit and braid your own the winter circuits should suddenly become attainable to anyone who is dedicated enough. And that feels a lot like the fantasy we are quick to decry in juniors who are stuck on the local circuit doing 2’3 on a schoolie but think they can make it to the Maclay as working students and go on to professonial careers.

I’m sure there are ways to cut costs at WEF or Ocala but you have to have thousands and thousands of dollars to be willing to drop in the first place. Not to mention a horse worth taking. In the scheme of all that I’d be curious to know what cost-cutting measures can be taken that actually make a measurable difference in the overall budget. Like…you saved 2k so your overall expenses were only 18k?

I have absolutely nothing against the people who are willing (whether easily or via extreme sacrifice throughout the rest of the year) to spend the money to show one of the winter circuits. But I really doubt there are that many people who can magically go from “can’t afford it” to “can afford it” via sleeping in a camper so the conversation does seem a little pointless.

Nickolodian, I do not fault you one iota for using your money to show at WEF. I think it is awesome, and you are an amazing amateur rider with great horsemanship to do it on your own (comparatively speaking). I am jealous, and I loved reading your blog about your experience. It was a highlight to my day to dream about horse showing in WEF when there was 3 ft of snow outside my window and I was worrying if my car would start after sitting all day in the parking lot at work.

However, even in your blog you state that you have a flexible job that allows you to be able to stay in Wellington for periods of time. If I could do that, I would be able show there since it would be like any other show more or less. I have a job that requires me to be in the office, though, and I would be traveling back and forth only for my weekend ammy classes, need a hotel at an inflated price, need full care for my horse because I would not be present other than for the purposes of showing, etc. I think my scenario is more common than being able to do a job remotely, and thus have a ton of extra expenses involved. (I am not knocking your job and whatever your career is at all, or anyone that is able to work remotely. I don’t think remote employment is the norm for people.)

I have to say this thread has made me feel better and I’m not the only one feeling like it is a joke for the regular working person with an 8-5 job to not be able to afford WEF. By afford, I don’t only mean the financial output for the show, but my career cannot afford me to be at WEF; my family cannot affort me to be at WEF; my cats, dog, and chickens cannot afford me to be at WEF.

[QUOTE=nutmeg;7943889]
A similar question would be: how to give Trixie a standing ovation while you are on the floor laughing?
My #1 budget tip for WEF is Netjets. Or hitch a ride on your friend’s jet.[/QUOTE]

Funnily enough, I overheard exactly that conversation ringside in Wellington in December. One parent was trying to convince another parent that chartering a private plane for the barn would be a more ‘efficient’ way to deal with getting kids/parents/etc back and forth to Wellington. The other parent was clearly concerned with the additional costs, but he was trying to sell her on the time savings being worth it.

What am I Paying for?

As a veteran of the FL circuits I say you probably shouldn’t go if “cutting costs” is something important to you. The best advice I give anyone planning to do WEF or Ocala is to be ready to pay bills that have no basis in reality and that you do not understand. Also, be prepared never to ask questions and, if you do, be prepared to receive answers that don’t make any sense.

For example, my horse is on total full service at a top barn in the northeast. For a charge equal to my monthly mortgage payment I get feed, hay, stall cleaning, turnout, grooming, tack ups, unlimited training rides and unlimited lessons. If I send my horse to Florida I am expected to pay this charge PLUS a “daycare” fee of $135 a day. While I understand that horses actively showing require additional daily care (poultice, meds, therapy blankets, unbraiding, frequent baths, legwashing, wrapping, etc) that normally doesn’t go on at home my horse only shows 9 days out of a 31 day month. What extra care is being performed on the other days that comprise a day care charge on non show days? Trainers and professionals please enlighten me because to my mind this is just another charge I pay to play but, do not understand.

Years earlier I did a circuit with a trainer who never informed us of the “hidden” costs of doing Florida in addition to training, lessons, coaching, day care etc. I am a CPA. No matter how I tried to work the math I could not make sense out of the “splits” I was billed by the horse show office. Even going back to the office and obtaining their charges for hay and shavings my tabulations indicated that my horse used 40 bags of shavings per day, and consumed enough food to feed 4 horses. It was so obvious that some customers were overcharged while others were undercharged. This logic also applied to the shared tack stalls . There was no way 20 horses split the costs of three tack stalls because my charge alone gave at least 3 of them free rides. Another joke was the “laundry charge”. We observed our trainer in our hotel spend 3 hours using coin operated machines to do the week’s pads and wraps. Just for fun when we got home and tried to make sense of the “laundry charge” it appeared the machines charged $25 per load and the trainer earned $300 an hour watching it spin.

So if you want to play, you have to pay. Pay a lot, pay often, and forget about it. At least if you are showing on the A circuit with a good to great trainer. If you can haul yourself and do your own work winter circuits can be done for less cost but, if you are with a serious show barn, no way. You just have to accept it for what it is - a very expensive hobby. Aside from discovery of gross overcharges, relax, have fun and enjoy the experience. It is what it is - a luxury.

[QUOTE=Marcella;7944530]

I have to say this thread has made me feel better and I’m not the only one feeling like it is a joke for the regular working person with an 8-5 job to not be able to afford WEF. By afford, I don’t only mean the financial output for the show, but my career cannot afford me to be at WEF; my family cannot affort me to be at WEF; my cats, dog, and chickens cannot afford me to be at WEF.[/QUOTE]

I showed at WEF as a junior. I was not in full-care, and was a 2 hour drive away, so was only there Thursday PM- Sunday PM. To keep things more affordable (which now, as a working adult, I realize is NOT affordable and god bless my parents for spending the ridiculous amount of money on me and for all the time they dedicated to coming with me! Both were retired, so not missing work, but still!) I:

  • got my own stalls at littlewood (not with the barn- had my own feed/grooming/tack stall)
    -hired a lovely woman to take care of my 2 horses and ride them for me Monday-Thursday and groom for me over the weekend- bonus, she was also a vet tech, which saved me a TON of money when leased horse was ill- but still this was $500/week
  • My trainer stayed with her friend locally, so no housing fees for her, or training rides
  • When trainer had other clients, I would ‘rent’ them space in my tack/feed stall and paddock.

There is ZERO way I could afford WEF now, on my own. I make more than the median household income in the US, but even 2 weeks in Welly world would be in the 5 figures. There’s just no way to ‘budget’ that into a normal income!

[QUOTE=dia916;7944654]

Years earlier I did a circuit with a trainer who never informed us of the “hidden” costs of doing Florida in addition to training, lessons, coaching, day care etc. I am a CPA. No matter how I tried to work the math I could not make sense out of the “splits” I was billed by the horse show office. Even going back to the office and obtaining their charges for hay and shavings my tabulations indicated that my horse used 40 bags of shavings per day, and consumed enough food to feed 4 horses. It was so obvious that some customers were overcharged while others were undercharged. This logic also applied to the shared tack stalls . There was no way 20 horses split the costs of three tack stalls because my charge alone gave at least 3 of them free rides. [/QUOTE]

This happened to me once in Ocala- splits were done by OWNER not by HORSE. So there were 40 horses and I was paying 1/8 of the splits- UM NO. I don’t own 5 horses. Your client who owns 8 horses can surely pay for 8/40 of the split. :mad: Even the office lady thought this to be absurd. I had a long chat with trainer du jour, and when she was firm that that’s how it should be done, I left!

I would be insanely curious to find out how many “working” amateurs who show at these shows are doing so without the help of a trust fund or other supplemental income of the sort - just a honest to wallet, 40+ hour work week at a typical 9 - 5 (is there such a thing anymore?) job.

I love the poster who said she cannot “afford” to leave her family, her job, her animals for 6 weeks on the circuit. I feel the same way. Could I make the numbers work? Maybe, but with a husband, a child, another horse that wouldn’t be coming to the show, a job that requires me to be available during defined hours 5 days a week… they are just not things I want to afford.

Different strokes for different folks - which is how horse showing (and riding in general!) keeps its lifeline - there are people whose “affordings” are different priorities than others.

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There is ZERO way I could afford WEF now, on my own. I make more than the median household income in the US, but even 2 weeks in Welly world would be in the 5 figures. There’s just no way to ‘budget’ that into a normal income![/QUOTE]

I am hesitant to share my numbers exactly, but 4 weeks in welly world is budgeted under 5 figures for me.

I did 3 weeks last year and came in under budget.

[QUOTE=Nickelodian;7944747]
I am hesitant to share my numbers exactly, but 4 weeks in welly world is budgeted under 5 figures for me.

I did 3 weeks last year and came in under budget.[/QUOTE]

I am not in any way criticizing you, but aren’t you able to live with a friend full time without having to do much traveling back and forth to Florida? Some of us could probably find a friend to host us (party at ybiaw’s!) but for most people the realities of being able to essentially abandon your life for X weeks in order to be able to do the daily riding and care for your horse (not to mention cut down on travel costs) are just as unattainable as the spending five figures on two weeks business model. This is in addition to (if I remember correctly) you having access to an extremely flexible and accommodating trainer who evidently doesn’t do all of the Welly upcharging so common to big operations.

I want to reiterate that I am not critical of people who are able to make a winter circuit happen for themselves - on the contrary, I am impressed and jealous! But there is absolutely no way in hell my job would let me work remotely on a flexible schedule for 3-4 weeks and I (and many/most others) have other life obligations that would get in the way of that even if my finances and job situation allowed it.

It’s the old time or money thing and unfortunately most people don’t have enough of either for $$$ full care or time/labor-intensive self care.

Me.

I do have flexibility to work from basically anywhere (until they put me on a plane for a client), but no trust fund, no supplemental income. I do lease my black horse but that’s only a small fraction of my overall income.

Also - Supportive DH, no kids, and a trainer that is willing to work with me knowing that I might embarrass him at the ring because we’ve had no pro prep, board and train on my own not at shows (significant savings over normal “show board”).

Again, from my experience WEF specifically isn’t exorbitantly more than an “A” show anywhere else in the country. Just more people who are independently wealthy going down for months upon months. I couldn’t do 12 weeks ever, but budgeting “A” shows I just choose to spend my dollars at WEF.

[QUOTE=Nickelodian;7944767]
Me.

I do have flexibility to work from basically anywhere (until they put me on a plane for a client), but no trust fund, no supplemental income. I do lease my black horse but that’s only a small fraction of my overall income.

Also - Supportive DH, no kids, and a trainer that is willing to work with me on doing my own work when I can, understanding my budget limitations, and that I might embarrass him at the ring because we’ve had no pro prep, board and train on my own not at shows (significant savings over normal “show board”).

Again, from my experience WEF specifically isn’t exorbitantly more than an “A” show anywhere else in the country. Just more people who are independently wealthy going down for months upon months. I couldn’t do 12 weeks ever, but budgeting “A” shows I just choose to spend my dollars at WEF.[/QUOTE]

Yes, we are all intimately familiar with your situation… but there are others at WEF I’m sure - to which I would be curious to know the numbers of.

[QUOTE=Jo;7944774]
Yes, we are all intimately familiar with your situation… but there are others at WEF I’m sure - to which I would be curious to know the numbers of.[/QUOTE]

Funny enough, when I alluded several times on here that I felt like the only “working” rider in the world, I got lambasted about how many working riders there are. So my experience directly is not many, but according to those on here, there are lots.

[QUOTE=french fry;7944758]
party at ybiaw’s![/QUOTE]

Hotel Ybiaw is open, but no vacancies until week 8.

[QUOTE=Nickelodian;7944747]
I am hesitant to share my numbers exactly, but 4 weeks in welly world is budgeted under 5 figures for me.

I did 3 weeks last year and came in under budget.[/QUOTE]

That actually gives me hope that when I decide to call it quits after having it up to my eyebrows with my adult life and run away to be a horse show gypsy, all I need is a few envelopes of cash to be in FL for the winter! :slight_smile:

I have threatened my husband twice this winter already that I was going to quit my job, pack up my dog and all personal belongings that would fit in my car (my car is only 2 seats so I get one and the dog gets the other), have my horse shipped to WEF, and let him hold down the fort until I decided I was ready to be a grown up again. He doesn’t even like horses, but his response has been, “Take me with,” especially after seeing bits of the GM clinic streamed live and him saying how hot it was. Ha, ha!!

[QUOTE=Marcella;7944833]
That actually gives me hope that when I decide to call it quits after having it up to my eyebrows with my adult life and run away to be a horse show gypsy, all I need is a few envelopes of cash to be in FL for the winter! :slight_smile:

I have threatened my husband twice this winter already that I was going to quit my job, pack up my dog and all personal belongings that would fit in my car (my car is only 2 seats so I get one and the dog gets the other), have my horse shipped to WEF, and let him hold down the fort until I decided I was ready to be a grown up again. He doesn’t even like horses, but his response has been, “Take me with,” especially after seeing bits of the GM clinic streamed live and him saying how hot it was. Ha, ha!![/QUOTE]

So today’s high in Wellington is like 82 degrees warmer than your high in Lake County today.

As a former McHenry County resident…I’m just sayin’. :lol:

[QUOTE=ybiaw;7944850]
So today’s high in Wellington is like 82 degrees warmer than your high in Lake County today.

As a former McHenry County resident…I’m just sayin’. :lol:[/QUOTE]

I HATE YOU :lol:

Boat drinks! :yes::yes:
Escaping winter to somewhere hot sounds very nice, and the insanely high costs of a horse show in a warm climate in early January probably sound more palatable because of that…

in the meantime…Boat Drinks! I gotta go where its warm! :stuck_out_tongue:

Ha… with gas prices being so low, I may be able to budget driving the three hours to WEF to WATCH for one weekend if I can stay with my friend in WPB!!! That’s how I roll! :lol:

[QUOTE=Nickelodian;7944747]
I am hesitant to share my numbers exactly, but 4 weeks in welly world is budgeted under 5 figures for me.

I did 3 weeks last year and came in under budget.[/QUOTE]

Right, but I don’t have the flexibility to stay in Wellington- I need to fly back and forth (about $500/week)- so there’s $1k right there. I’d also need to get a hotel and rental car both weekends, close to $1k again.
I don’t have a truck or trailer- shipping would be $1200.
Then, since I’m at work M-F, I need someone to ride my horse, and take care of him. $$$$.
Then you add in stalls, show fees, food, X,Y,Z trainer charges.

For adults who can’t be at the showgrounds/local, who are unable to trailer themselves, or who don’t have such a flexible trainer, it’s really not that affordable.
If I could do it how you do, I would. But I can’t. You are the exception, not the rule (unfortunately).

[QUOTE=Marcella;7944870]
I HATE YOU :lol:[/QUOTE]

SMOOCHES!!!

In 2011, during Snowmageddon, I was on vacation down here. The AIR TEMP back home was -40. It was 80 here. A 120 DEGREE DIFFERENCE. That was it for me, three months later I moved here. Hahahaha.