DIY/Budget tips for winter circuits!

It doesn’t just feel that way, mathematically, is is. Just for kicks, and because I have a work schedule what would easily allow me to take 2-3 weeks off and go play in the sun, I pulled up the prize lists for both WEF and a local winter A show (Swan Lake) and added up the costs. Doing the Adult Amateur division, the TB Hunters (the 2 Take2 classes at WEF, the TB Hunter division at SL), and a 3’ Adult Medal over the week, plus office, USEF and dry stall fees added up to $948 at WEF and $498 at the local A. That obviously doesn’t include things like trainers fees, daycare, braiding, hay and bedding, etc. But it’s nearly twice the cost to show there versus showing locally at an A, even without the other factors.

But it’s actually not infeasible for me, an average person, if I was to do all my own hauling and care for a week or two, and save up over the year before to pay for it. Now, granted, as an average person on a budget, I would think more than twice about it, and would probably choose to save my money and show at some of the lovely old A shows here later in the year, like Upperville or Rose Mount. Because I could do two of them for what one week at WEF would cost.

Maybe a better question isn’t how to budget, or whether its affordable for the average person to go do, but whether it’s worth it for the average person to go do. Unless you’re in a national division the points don’t count for you, and if you want a nice time in the sun, you’d be better off spending that $948 on a plane ticket to the Bahamas.

Jen, just out of curiosity, what is the comparable prize money and show rating? Are you making an apples to apples comparison? Or maybe a Honey Crisp to Red Delicious bulk apples comparison? Because we have an A show here in Atlanta in January and yeah, I know it is a cheaper showbill, it’s not the same level of show and if I was to win a few classes in both, I know the check I would bring home would be different as well. To fairly compare the two, that has to be factored in. You wouldn’t expect the entry costs of a 25K GP to be the same as a $150K GP even if you came home with no prize money in either.

I do agree with you on the unrated divisions at WEF though. But I’m old enough to be disgusted by them being offered period. But we have already established I want all those kids to GET OFF MAH LAWN too.

[QUOTE=Jo;7946154]
All these cries about “this isn’t what the topic is about!” are blowing my mind. Since when has a COTH topic ever stayed on topic? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL[/QUOTE]

True, We are like a bunch of ADD squirrels! :lol:

To clarify a few points…

We’re running a very cute in-first-person article by the COTH BB’s very own Nickelodian about her DIY/on a budget WEF experience in our Winter Circuit Preview issue, which comes out on Jan. 19.

We have a one-page article space each week called Finish Line, and we thought it would be good to complement Nickelodian’s article with some “hints on how to” and wanted to crowd-source that.

The fact that traveling to and showing on the winter circuits is a luxury in and of itself is a given; we’re aware that it’s astronomically expensive. But we also believed that there were some entrepreneurial types who we capable of making it work on a “less than unlimited” budget. So, we were asking for their input.

Discussion here has certainly touched on a lot of topics that are also quite valid, such as how the escalating prices of showing are disenfranchising the middle class riders, but that’s an article for more than one page!

Thanks for those who have taken the OP in its intent and answered with thoughtful, helpful replies and thanks for the vigorous discussion!

Molly

[QUOTE=DMK;7946196]
Jen, just out of curiosity, what is the comparable prize money and show rating? Are you making an apples to apples comparison? Or maybe a Honey Crisp to Red Delicious bulk apples comparison? Because we have an A show here in Atlanta in January and yeah, I know it is a cheaper showbill, it’s not the same level of show and if I was to win a few classes in both, I know the check I would bring home would be different as well. To fairly compare the two, that has to be factored in. You wouldn’t expect the entry costs of a 25K GP to be the same as a $150K GP even if you came home with no prize money in either.

I do agree with you on the unrated divisions at WEF though. But I’m old enough to be disgusted by them being offered period. But we have already established I want all those kids to GET OFF MAH LAWN too.[/QUOTE]

If I recall correctly, wasn’t it Pessoa that last year sort of blasted WEF for being super expensive but not offering prize money on the same level as cost? I think one of the points he brought up was the “big finale” Grand Prix being $500,000 where as Hits had two $1million Grand Prix in the middle of the circuit?

I guess you could justify the cost if you “get what you pay for” but you don’t really get that at WEF anymore, except for the ability to say “I showed at WEF” I guess.

[QUOTE=DMK;7946196]
Jen, just out of curiosity, what is the comparable prize money and show rating? Are you making an apples to apples comparison? Or maybe a Honey Crisp to Red Delicious bulk apples comparison? [/QUOTE]

It’s definitely a Honey Crisp to Red Delicious comparison, as the local A is truly an ‘A’ in that the C division don’t even have to pay out, where as at WEF, you can almost cover division costs if you win a class. But then you have to factor in your likelyhood of actually winning in the kind of company you’d be competing with down there. I know I don’t have that horse, but I maybe can pull a few decent ribbons at a local A, if we put in the kind of trip we’re capable of on a good day. Now if your goal is to get to say you showed at WEF, and obviously get the pretty picture with the pretty palm trees in the background, and not so much worry about being competitive, that’s fine and great, and another matter entirely.

I apologize for my obvious snark. I can’t wait to read Nickelodian’s story. She is a most gifted and deliciously funny writer. Its just that the topic is so wide open for satire. Surely God invented WEF to entertain me. I’d also caution that horses are an addiction and I have seen marriages falter and houses be lost (literally) when those “on the cusp” were encouraged to spend just that little bit more.

I think the thing is, though, that unless you have a very unconventional lifestyle (like Nick) does that allows you to do the sorts of things that she does, there are no special tips to apply to these shows that aren’t applicable to every other show.

We’ve beaten them to death, as others have said. DIY braiding, self care, cut training rides and extra classes, bring your own food (horse and human) and shavings, sleep in a stall, etc etc etc.

Those are tips for ANY show, so why try to imply that they are somehow more special for a winter circuit is kind of silly. Had it been asked, “DIY tips for showing” you would have gotten a very different - and positive - response I feel.

But to ask the question while referring to “budgets” and “winter circuits” - I can certainly see how that might annoy people.

Full disclosure (although I show very little right now): I used to show at a lot of A and AA shows. I spent between $1000 and $2000 at 4 and 5 day shows. But to do that somewhere NOT within driving distance would have made all the difference in the world. To add flights and vacations and rental cars and hotel rooms, and horse care on those non-showing days that are now added in, and thousands more in shipping would have made it impossible. Well, not impossible - I could have spent my yearly budget in 4-6 weeks in Florida, or I could show in 12-14 shows closer to home. I chose closer to home.

[QUOTE=Molly Sorge;7946268]
To clarify a few points…

We’re running a very cute in-first-person article by the COTH BB’s very own Nickelodian about her DIY/on a budget WEF experience in our Winter Circuit Preview issue, which comes out on Jan. 19.

We have a one-page article space each week called Finish Line, and we thought it would be good to complement Nickelodian’s article with some “hints on how to” and wanted to crowd-source that.

The fact that traveling to and showing on the winter circuits is a luxury in and of itself is a given; we’re aware that it’s astronomically expensive. But we also believed that there were some entrepreneurial types who we capable of making it work on a “less than unlimited” budget. So, we were asking for their input.

Discussion here has certainly touched on a lot of topics that are also quite valid, such as how the escalating prices of showing are disenfranchising the middle class riders, but that’s an article for more than one page!

Thanks for those who have taken the OP in its intent and answered with thoughtful, helpful replies and thanks for the vigorous discussion!

Molly[/QUOTE]

Cat is out of the bag. No going back now. Can’t email Molly and say NEVERMIND I’M DUMB I TAKE IT ALL BACK.

Cue panic card.

[QUOTE=Nickelodian;7944747]
I am hesitant to share my numbers exactly, but 4 weeks in welly world is budgeted under 5 figures for me.

I did 3 weeks last year and came in under budget.[/QUOTE]

You must get a heck of a deal on a stall girl!! Never mind, I just reread, and you said five figures when my brain was thinking four figures!

Since I can hide behind the anonymity of a screen name, I will divulge some exact numbers:

Last year the stalls we had were $4,200 for a stall on the show grounds (included Holiday finale and spring). I also paid about $600 for a share of a tack stall and set up area.

When I was not using my stall I subleased it for $250-$300/week.

How I saved money:
*no living expenses for me, because I live in palm beach county
*I split the $4,200 stall with a friend who would be showing on the weekends only, so my stall cost was cut in half
*I am a capable a/o so limited training rides. (although pro did show horse in some baby green division)
*limited warm up classes
*trainer gives me breaks on certain things that do not affect other boarders, this is a relationship I have cultivated for the last several years.

about my situation:
*I am a true a/o who does not have supplemental income aside from my career.
*no kids (yet)
*I mostly show within the state of Florida but last year did go to Kentucky and Atlanta.
*Unfortunately my job requires me to be in the office (when not travelling for work)so I must take vacation days to show, which means I may sacrifice a real vacation depending on how much I show.
*both my husband and I have great jobs and he is very supportive of my horse endeavors

WEF can not be done on a shoestring budget but you also don’t need a Heritage Farm budget either.

On average, it cost me about $1300/week. On weeks where I am showing and not the pro it will be about $200-$300 less.

What is included in this number:
*show/class fees
*pro rider for division
*groom/day care
*trainer fee (yes, separate from rider)
*stall

Not included in above number:
*board I still pay at my “home” barn
*farrier
*vet

If anyone has specific questions, please feel free to ask!

[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;7946276]
If I recall correctly, wasn’t it Pessoa that last year sort of blasted WEF for being super expensive but not offering prize money on the same level as cost? I think one of the points he brought up was the “big finale” Grand Prix being $500,000 where as Hits had two $1million Grand Prix in the middle of the circuit?

I guess you could justify the cost if you “get what you pay for” but you don’t really get that at WEF anymore, except for the ability to say “I showed at WEF” I guess.[/QUOTE]

yes, but that is comparing two expensive circuits to each other. And I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for doing a cost benefit analysis when it comes to how much the cost of business is compared to potential earnings. These are people who earn a living at this after all. Hell, when I was showing in the lowly A/As I would absolutely look at my entry fees and how much I could win in the classic and do an analysis on where my money was better spent and then evaluate where I could make extra bucks catch braiding. Other than a few shows that I just wanted to go to just because, it was the deciding factor in my show schedule. But it ALSO made the difference in how many shows I went to - I had a budget for about 10 weeks of shows that year, but managed 15 due to winnings/extra money from braiding. It just made good business sense.

But I suspect it is more complex than just purse money and nomination fees at that level. I suspect when you are in the business of selling horses AND keeping customers happy - the kind of customers who can afford an international level horse or two - the cost benefit analysis shifts to incorporate other factors. In fact it is just possible that other show managers recognize this and try to change the cost benefit analysis in their favor by offering more prize money in certain classes. Because it’s a given Ocala isn’t going to appeal to that type of customer over WPB, right? But if HITS disrupts WEF enough with this strategy, then WEF will be forced to respond. oh em gee, it’s almost like a business case study isn’t it?

So the case to be made for WEF and top level FEI riders like Pessoa is still maybe a bit more complex than it is for mere mortals.

I think it is pretty snobby to say if you have to budget you cannot afford WEF. Any horseshow you can cut cost. I have a friend who rents a barn down at WEF and she meets the trainers at the ring. She hacks her horses over to the show. They also come to her barn to ride the horse’s too. She has had some pretty big name riders on her horses. And she told me its not that expensive. She has been encouraging me to come down, I just don’t feel ready yet to go. I have to work out the issues with my riding and showing first before I want to spend the money and vacation time to go. AKA I want to be really ready.
I think a major savings would be not having to have the pro riders take your horses around in warm up classes. That would get very expensive in entry fees and pro rides. Plus add braiding and it adds up. Yes very nice to have your horse shown before you do, but you will pay for this!
Try to book your hotel rooms and airline tickets in advance. Shopping for airline tickets on a Wednesday or Thursday afternoon tends to have discounts that are gone by the time you go book on Monday or Friday or the weekend.
Obviously if you can braid you can really save money.
Packing your own food and beverages. Its worth it to buy a small cooler and fill with drinks for the day.
Limt the number of classes you enter. Really focus on the ones you really would like to show in.
Groom for yourself if you are allowed to. However a lot of barns discourage this because they are losing money by allowing you to DIY! And furthermore sometimes the other customers will be a bit snotty to you because you DIY. Not sure why? But maybe they think they are better than you because they can afford to pay, or maybe they have more time to hang out and you are busy working your tail off, or sometimes I think they are jealous that you have the courage or ability to do it yourself and you are saving so much money. Just be prepared it is a lot of work!

So here’s the foolproof method for showing WEF on a budget:

  • Have a super flexible job so you can do self care
  • Live in South Florida or have a friend to stay with fo’ free
  • Have no non-horsey life obligations that you can’t drop for 2-4 weeks
  • Have a trailer to haul yourself
  • DIY everything - care, braiding, grooming, tacking, etc.
  • Be at a place in your riding where you can prep horse for the ring yourself with no pro rides or classes
  • Have a trainer who doesn’t charge for the typical winter circuit extras
  • Count on winning money back
  • Count on absolutely nothing going wrong (throwing a shoe on showgrounds, etc.)

Because this doesn’t apply to as niche of a group as the people who can afford WEF the “conventional” way!

Congrats Nick!
I don’t have anything else to add as far as cutting expenses. My husband is a pilot for a major airline so I can fly for pennies. That helps. If it’s an away show and I know someone near by, you bet I’m driving 45 minutes ish for a free place to stay. That also allows me to pack and bring lunch and snacks. My horse needs very few pro classes. I’m not out buying the latest riding helmet, animo breeches, etc.

My job has flexibility (one of its requirements!). I make good money and we don’t have kids. So yes I can take off back and forth.

But more importantly to do the showing I’m not that extravagant in my non-horse expenses. I do not keep up manicured nails. I do not shop at the mall for recreation. My car is older and paid off. We eat dinner out 1-2 nights a week.

Hey now, I’m not like stripping or anything! hahahahahaha

I work for a major world wide consulting firm, long hours, hard work, lots of travel. I’ve worked my way up over the last 14 years into a role that works for my showing (priorities people, priorities). My five bosses live in five different cities, and I have clients in multiple countries.

[QUOTE=Nickelodian;7946798]
Hey now, I’m not like stripping or anything! hahahahahaha

I work for a major world wide consulting firm, long hours, hard work, lots of travel. I’ve worked my way up over the last 14 years into a role that works for my showing (priorities people, priorities). My five bosses live in five different cities, and I have clients in multiple countries.[/QUOTE]

And on the polar opposite, I treat cancer with radiation. If we have a 4 day weekend we treat on the prior Sunday because it’s not good for cancer to get treated 3 days and then have 4 days off. Long hours (salaried, so no overtime), hard work, zero travel.

But I wouldn’t change professions to make it easier to show. I went to school for 9 years to be able to do what I do, and I like it.

Not every field has flexible hours as an option no matter how long you’ve been there. In 14 years I’ll still have to treat cancer 5 days a week.

It’s just a fact. Some people have jobs that allow them time to do the sorts of things that make things like WEF feasible. Some of us don’t and never will.

Not to steal the naysayers’ thunder, but there are some pretty good reasons why people choose to spend their money and make the sacrifices specifically to compete during a winter circuit vs. other AA shows. Certain posters seem to be insinuating that it is foolish to go out of your way to compete at a winter circuit, and I don’t think they are quite aware of why people do it.

Some reasons:

• There is a HUGE variety of horses and riders from all over the US and the world attending these shows. You don’t have that at those other shows in America.

• With this large variety of people comes a large variety of opportunities for lessons, clinics, sales, jobs, etc. You won’t get those opportunities at other shows.

• At WEF, Thermal, Ocala, etc it is not unusual to find yourself in a rather spontaneous lesson with an Olympic/World Cup rider. Rarely does that happen at other venues.

The volume and variety of horses and riders at a winter circuit vs. a regular show is what makes it worth it to those who attend. For the grassroot riders that eat ramen all year to be able to do this, it isn’t an “elitist” thing, it’s an education thing, and these show series are like Wal-Mart for educational opportunities.

Nickledian, I went through the same analysis about a decade ago when I switched to working out of my home. My boss was on a different coast, the people I supported were in a different state, the people who supported me were in a different time zone.

If my life consists of being on the phone, I can think of a more comfortable location than commute+office. LOL it is half the reason I switched my weekly status meeting to Monday’s at 10AM - the ONE time I could guarantee would not interrupt a horse show. :wink:

Yes, I’m not still clear on why some of the sour grapes. Am I going to WEF or Ocala? No…and that’s not the fault of those that are!

[QUOTE=Nickelodian;7946798]
Hey now, I’m not like stripping or anything! hahahahahaha

I work for a major world wide consulting firm, long hours, hard work, lots of travel. I’ve worked my way up over the last 14 years into a role that works for my showing (priorities people, priorities). My five bosses live in five different cities, and I have clients in multiple countries.[/QUOTE]

Can I just say that you are my hero! I love your blog and I applaud your courage and hard work. I can’t wait to read your adventures at WEF!