Do you consider your horse a pet?

The title says it all. Do you consider horses pets?

I do not consider my horse a pet. I love him and I have every intention, as long as circumstances don’t dictate otherwise, of keeping him until he takes his last breath, but I don’t think he is my pet. I guess I view horse ownership/horse back riding in more of the hobby/luxury category.

Which brings me to another branch off point: why is it that most people are okay with selling horses but not other “pets?” Granted, selling a horse can be a difficult decision, but I think most on this board can generally agree with the practice of buying and selling horses and there are a number of times when encouragement for selling is given. However, if someone rehomes a cat or dog, people largely seem to act like the person is being despicable. Why is that? Certainly it can be done in despicable ways, but why is that act regarded with horror while selling horses is not? Is it because one is a pet and the other not so much? If one uses the argument of animal rights, surely dogs, cats, and horses all fall under the umbrella of “animal.” Do people tend to project human emotions on house pets because they live with them in the house? Is it because there is a certain level of detachment from the horses who live outside, in a barn, etc.?

How much of all of this is just socially constructed?

I’m not judgmental of anyone’s animal keeping practices, just wondering why things are the way they are :slight_smile:

my horses consider me their pet

My horses are pets, not just things I ride, but I think because they do have a “job” - and keeping them is a much bigger deal- rehoming has a different aspect. I do have horses that I would not every let leave, anymore than my dog would go, but others I have taken on knowing that I am part of an upgrade package, not a permanent landing.

[QUOTE=clanter;8602067]
my horses consider me their pet[/QUOTE]

LOL!

I consider all my animals as family!!

I could sell you my sister really cheap, but I would never and have never sold my horses:D

I don’t think of a horse as a luxury/hobby item, like a yacht or a kayak or a set of skis, because you can’t just dry-dock it or put it in the storage locker for the off season.

I think the contrast you are seeking is between pets and livestock, beween animals valued for their unique individuality as a companion, and animals seen in a purely utilitarian way (broiler chickens being maybe the extreme example). Different animals in the same species may exist at different points on the pet/livestock continuum.

For instance, our city has recently approved backyard chickens, but you are not allowed to slaughter them. If they fall ill, you must have them euthed by a vet. BTW, I am waiting for the next avian flu panic. Last time (before the backyard chickens existed) the ag dept went around slaughtering and burning carcasses at all the big local egg producers, plus rural backyard pet emus and fancy poultry. Anyhow, a sure set-up for conflict over the pet/livestock divide.

One difference is that, these days, cats and dogs live with us, so they do become bonded to our home lifestyles in ways that horses do not. Especially a horse in a full board barn. It could change owners several times and not experience much change in its life and routine, compared to a horse with one owner that moved between facilities.

That said, attitudes to cats and dogs have changed a lot since I was a kid. One of my friends (my age) often points out that 40 or 50 years ago, people would leave their barn cats and barn dogs behind when they moved, because the animals were “used to the place” and they thought they couldn’t be moved happily.

One of the reasons people don’t sell adult cats and dogs is that, except in the case of high-end breeding stock or maybe some performance dogs, there is no re-sale value for adult animals. Everyone wants a puppy. But people do give away cats and dogs all the time, either to friends, on CL, or to the shelters, if their circumstances change.

And the basic maintenance costs of keeping a cat or dog are pretty low, compared to keeping a horse. Yes, I know if you feed organic raw meat and get all the shots, teeth cleaning, grooming, and doggie daycare, house pets can be expensive. But they can also lead long, happy lives on bulk kibble, if the rest of the environment is good. So while people often have to rehome cats and dogs if they are moving to an apartment where they can’t keep them, they rarely rehome them purely for financial reasons.

Also dogs have very short lives, compared to horses. Who would buy a ten year old dog?

Horses fall on the spectrum between livestock and pets. Cows and pigs are pretty much interchangeable, and tend to be fattened up for slaughter. So we don’t expect to have long relationships with them.

Interestingly, even the horse breeders who are on the “livestock” end of the spectrum, even the ones that ship their “culls” or their injured horses to slaughter, don’t eat them, themselves. No one shoots a racehorse with a broken leg and puts it in their own freezer. So there are certain taboos about horses even on the livestock end of the spectrum.

As far as the pet end, well, the one-horse owner is going to have more emotionally invested in that one horse, than someone with 100 horses on their ranch has in any one of most of their horses (even there, the rancher will have his favorite riding horses that he has a special relationship with). But there are limits with the “pet” spectrum also, since you can’t really bring horses into the house (I did see a TV item once on a seeing-eye mini).

On the other hand, I expect that staying in full board would lessen the “pet” feeling even for many one-horse owners, since IME a big part of the relationship with the horse evolves out of doing that daily work, the handling and the feeding.

No. My dogs are my pets. My horse is my riding partner and I consider myself a horse parent. If i was unable to ride my horses they would be pasture pets.

Like clanter, I suspect my horse considers me her pet. Other people are her staff.

[QUOTE=clanter;8602067]
my horses consider me their pet[/QUOTE]

My younger mule absolutely believes that I am his person. I just wish I could be sure that he also considers himself to be my mule. :lol:

I get this point, and I hope it didn’t sound cold that I relegated horse ownership to a hobby and a luxury, but that is what I think it is. It is a hobby that I chose to have and a luxury that I am fortunate to be able to pay for. Doesn’t mean that there isn’t love involved, however. Why else would I be willing to regularly fork over large sums of cash? :wink:

You do bring up some interesting points about the pet to livestock spectrum, though. That, too, I wonder how much is socially constructed. In other countries, for instance, they eat dogs and cats, so is the spectrum different depending on where you are in the world? Is the entire spectrum socially or culturally constructed?

My mare is a pet. She wouldn’t have it any other way. I do tell her every week that she has to earn her board a few times per week by going for a ride. It really won’t hurt her. She says, “I’ll think about it! Where’s the carrots?”

NO, but a family member.

Although I guess the pet status of a horse could also vary greatly depending on what the horse is used for. Maybe that goes back to the “job” aspect that Scribbler mentioned? Some horses are certainly pets, and others are clearly not. Maybe horses have their very own spectrum?

Since I know how much dry dock costs, I have no problem comparing it to board. :smiley:

Horses are definitely a luxury/hobby.

This is a very interesting question.

I have a 24 yo retiree that is very much a pet. He is no longer rideable and has zero useful function other than looking pretty in the pasture, but he’ll still be here for the rest of his days.

We have a 20 year old Shetland pony that through his kindness to my children has earned a home with me for the rest of his life. He is currently ridden by my 5 year old daughter, but when she outgrows him, I will still keep him and he will be my pet. He is very special.

I have a young OTTB that I adore, but have always considered a project horse, that I might sell if he does not fit my riding needs (or if somebody offers me enough money, or if I am ready for the next project, etc.). Not a pet. He definitely has to work for a living. If finances got tight he would likely be the first to go.

My older daughter’s new horse will likely be with us for a long time too, at least until all the kids outgrow him, but he’s pretty new and has not yet achieved pet status/tenure. The jury is still out. LOL.

Maybe the difference in view has to do with cats and dogs being able to live in your house. They also generally don’t have a job - so the reasons to need to rehome one are slim.

Personally, I don’t mind someone rehoming a cat or dog as long as they do it responsibly (i.e. not dumping at a rescue or shelter).

I love my horses very much, and treat them like family while they are with me, but they have a purpose, and will likely be sold at some point - whether its younger one to a different home because it turns out his best fit career isn’t what I had planned for him, or anFEI horse when he’s ready to step down so that he can help bring up a less-experienced rider and keep working at a lower level.

That said, just like cats and dogs, I’m most certainly responsible for the quality of that next home, and for keeping them if that home can’t be found. My young riders horse stayed with me until the end because she was not safe for anyone who would want to ride at the low level she was happy/sound working at. There was no new job for her to move on to - so she retired with me.

Yes. I have “indoor pets,” “outdoor pets,” and humans in my family. :slight_smile:

My horses are livestock. Except for my favorite. She’s a pet.

I have a much deeper connection to my horse because of our riding partnership than what the word “pet” means to me. But, he is a “pet” in the sense that he will have a home with me to the end. I’m not the type to sell/trade up, or otherwise discard my horse just to meet an ego driven riding goal. The relationship and connection I have with him means more to me than blue ribbons or dressage medals.

As a chicken adult amateur, I really prefer to buy a trained horse. I don’t have the skill or desire to train a baby horse, and when I stopped riding my last horse I was honored and fortunate to retire him. He could have kept working, and in some ways it would have been good for him. However, I retired him as it was more affordable and I think being out all of the time has been good for him.
In any event, I do consider my horse a pet, but if I got a new horse that wasn’t working out I’d be quicker to sell than I would be to rehome a dog. I do think it is a bit different because dogs live inside with us and I think get more attached to people.
In many ways I don’t really see what I do with horses as “work,” but more as participitation in a hobby.

[QUOTE=JLR1;8602606]
I have a much deeper connection to my horse because of our riding partnership than what the word “pet” means to me. But, he is a “pet” in the sense that he will have a home with me to the end. I’m not the type to sell/trade up, or otherwise discard my horse just to meet an ego driven riding goal. The relationship and connection I have with him means more to me than blue ribbons or dressage medals.[/QUOTE]

Me too as well. My horse is considered part of my family as well as the cats. Equal time and devotion to care is given to all :slight_smile: