Do you support her, do you believe in her?
I do.
Do you believe she’s compete a horse with a soundness or heart problem?
I don’t.
I also support Courtney
I am sure that Courtney would not compete a horse that she thought had a heart problem nor is she likely to knowingly use drugs.
I am sure that this will turn out to be a mistake.
Yours
MW
[QUOTE=Melyni;3485125]
I am sure that Courtney would not compete a horse that she thought had a heart problem nor is she likely to knowingly use drugs.
I am sure that this will turn out to be a mistake.
Yours
MW[/QUOTE]
Haha, same, more or less, with the specific exception that quite a lot of horses w/ low-grade heart murmurs compete successfully at GP/intl. levels with no ill effects, so I would not necessarily hold her “at fault” if she DID compete a horse with a heart problem.
This is the ONE “doping” charge that smells a little funky to me. I would really hope we get the details and find out where the stuff came from, b/c from what I’ve read so far it honestly does sound like it was on the equipment used by the vet.
I absolutely support her and believe in her, and I do not believe she would compete a horse if she thought he/she was unfit to compete.
I don’t have all the facts although the heart condition does really bother me. But then again apparently you turn your horse over to USEF and really have no control. The drug issue I completely support her but still not sure about the heart issue.
Damage has already been done :
From my very distant outside of any loop at all viewpoint, this is yet another big black smear on the US dressage team’s image. First, the lame Brentina, now Mythilus competing in wretched conditions (heat, humidity, pollution) after being treated for a heart condition. Imo, and remember, it’s my opinion only, someone or some group of people responsible for the team does NOT have the horses’ best interests at heart.
I’m betting the positive drug test is an unfortunate and accidental bi-product of a bigger problem - competing yet another horse that quite possibly should not have been competing at all.
All high level vets are seen by multiple vets. They are the ones who can make recommendations re soundness to perform. It is not just one person’s opinion. And over a long period of time during which the horse is monitored.
BahamaMama : You are 100% correct … damage is ALREADY done … in many levels…
But question for slc: And before we start this : THIS IS NOT A ARGUEMENT 
You say that you don’t think that CKD would ride an unhealthy horse …compete an unsound horse… however you want to word this … But Ms. Gray states HOW SICK this horse was and how many ( 9 nose tubes ) placed on this horse so shortly BEFORE the games started… be honest… do you feel that this horse was fit and conditioned and healthy enough to compete at the highest level of GP ???
Listen you can think I am bashing CKD … but I am NOT… I am just questioning the facts… and I NEVER even thought about this until Lendon made her post how SEROUISLY sick the horse was… wasn’t it only not even a FULL week from when the horse got sick to when she competed ???
And if you test Ultrasound gel… which would get washed off everytime you bath the horse ( which would have been often with that heat ) only last less than 12-24 hours … just google the stuff before anyone asks where I get this from. I have been searching and searching to SUPPORT her and send her an e-mail with a suggestion…I am just asking and wondering… maybe someone was mad that she did so well in the team GP ???
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BahamaMama : You are 100% correct … damage is ALREADY done … in many levels…
But question for slc: And before we start this : THIS IS NOT A ARGUEMENT You say that you don’t think that CKD would ride an unhealthy horse …compete an unsound horse… however you want to word this … But Ms. Gray states HOW SICK this horse was and how many ( 9 nose tubes ) placed on this horse so shortly BEFORE the games started… be honest… do you feel that this horse was fit and conditioned and healthy enough to compete at the highest level of GP ???
Listen you can think I am bashing CKD … but I am NOT… I am just questioning the facts… and I NEVER even thought about this until Lendon made her post how SEROUISLY sick the horse was… wasn’t it only not even a FULL week from when the horse got sick to when she competed ???
And if you test Ultrasound gel… which would get washed off everytime you bath the horse ( which would have been often with that heat ) only last less than 12-24 hours … just google the stuff before anyone asks where I get this from. I have been searching and searching to SUPPORT her and send her an e-mail with a suggestion…I am just asking and wondering… maybe someone was mad that she did so well in the team GP ???[/QUOTE]
Looks like you caught SLC talking out of both sides of her mouth:lol::lol:
[QUOTE=passagedreamer;3485754]
BahamaMama : You are 100% correct … damage is ALREADY done … in many levels…
But question for slc: And before we start this : THIS IS NOT A ARGUEMENT You say that you don’t think that CKD would ride an unhealthy horse …compete an unsound horse… however you want to word this … But Ms. Gray states HOW SICK this horse was and how many ( 9 nose tubes ) placed on this horse so shortly BEFORE the games started… be honest… do you feel that this horse was fit and conditioned and healthy enough to compete at the highest level of GP ???
Listen you can think I am bashing CKD … but I am NOT… I am just questioning the facts… and I NEVER even thought about this until Lendon made her post how SEROUISLY sick the horse was… wasn’t it only not even a FULL week from when the horse got sick to when she competed ???
And if you test Ultrasound gel… which would get washed off everytime you bath the horse ( which would have been often with that heat ) only last less than 12-24 hours … just google the stuff before anyone asks where I get this from. I have been searching and searching to SUPPORT her and send her an e-mail with a suggestion…I am just asking and wondering… maybe someone was mad that she did so well in the team GP ???[/QUOTE]
What “damage?”
What “facts?”
Define “sick.”
I can answer the damage question since that’s my post from another thread that BahamaMama quoted.
As far as I’m concerned, the US dressage team is not currently smelling of rose petals and lavender. I am not saying the two riders in question are to blame, I’m not saying the vets are to blame, I am not saying the chef d’equipe is to blame because I don’t know who is to blame. I am saying that I think someone or some group of people is responsible for two major fark ups and that’s two too many to leave a pristine image in tact.
From where I sit in nowheresville, the stench of burning tires and extraordinarily cheap cologne is overpowering.
where can I find the posts from Lendon?
Count me as one more on her side.
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I can answer the damage question since that’s my post from another thread that BahamaMama quoted.
As far as I’m concerned, the US dressage team is not currently smelling of rose petals and lavender. I am not saying the two riders in question are to blame, I’m not saying the vets are to blame, I am not saying the chef d’equipe is to blame because I don’t know who is to blame. I am saying that I think someone or some group of people is responsible for two major fark ups and that’s two too many to leave a pristine image in tact.
From where I sit in nowheresville, the stench of burning tires and extraordinarily cheap cologne is overpowering.[/QUOTE]
Again, I ask, what is the “damage?”
You distance yourself from making a judgment by listing all whom you don’t “blame.”
But close with dramatic words – “the stench of burning tires and extraordinarily cheap cologne is overpowering.”
What does that mean?
Seems like an intent to indict to me.
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where can I find the posts from Lendon?[/QUOTE]
I’d like to read them as well - are they on UDBB?
Courtney is an awesome horsewoman who always puts the welfare of the horse first. I BELIEVE IN COURTNEY!!!
100% behind Courtney!
The opinions of posters on a BB are just that, opinions. They are not necessarily conceived through knowledge of facts, and because they are done behind the guise of an alias they can be opinionated beyond reason. This particular BB will often pull down a rider, or be extremely negative, rather than try and be fair and unjudgemental.
For me, I’d like to believe in Courtney’s integrity and for now I shall
prefer to wait for the facts. I’m aware that most posters here would support Courtney in her nightmare (and I don’t even know her.)
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I’d like to read them as well - are they on UDBB?[/QUOTE]
Here is the link to her posting http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=3478716#post34787
be careful when redistributing information. Lendon stated “serious heart condition” NOT seriously sick. To me anyway, those are two very different things. Sick refers to becoming toxic. Which was not what Lendon said.
I support Courtney, she in very honest, and has great integrity. She has often been a breath of fresh air in the dressage scene. I wish her only the best.
It’s hard to have an opinion when all you hear is rumour, supposition and speculation.
Add to that the fact that I have no personal knowledge of the young lady involved; no basis for any sort of judgement.
