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Does anybody else wish Rick Dutrow would just shut the *%$# up?

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#81

[QUOTE=Nikki^;3258527]
Can you point these out because I do not see a bubble on his knee and his tendons look tight to me.

I’m not being snarky. Please educate me.

I do, however, see that nasty quarter crack on his hoof. Ouchy![/QUOTE]

K, if you look at the top of the knee on the ouside of the leg. there is a little “button” looking spot above the knee… that’s joint pressure. It should not be there. I wish I couls find a simillar picture to show you the difference between the two. I’ll look some more

#82

[QUOTE=Laurierace;3258560]
Big Brown will retire by about 7pm on Saturday and Dutrow will fade into the sunset never to be heard from again. He knows this is his 15 minutes of fame and he is making the most of it. History won’t forget Big Brown’s name but they sure won’t remember who trained him.[/QUOTE]

He’d never let anyone forget he trained the horse. Whether he ever ran again or not. The guy is a boisterous, pompous, egomaniacle (sp) fool.
I do expect he’s retired before he’s cooled out. Especially considering the rapid rate his feet develop more 1/4 cracks. What is it now? one foot per race in the TC?

#83

Oh - I see a political future for this guy… :lol:

#84

LOL!:winkgrin:

#85

I Beg to Disagree…

[QUOTE=Melelio;3258011]
Since there are no ‘gods’ to tempt, I don’t see a problem with him saying what he does. He totally believes it; why SHOULD he quiet up to make you feel better?

Why are you embarrassed by his words and actions? He has no bearing on your life.

I wish MORE people would be outpsoken about what they truly believe of themselves and their circumstances, as long as they’re positive things they speak about. No need to spout negatives.[/QUOTE]

Hi Melelio,
I’m annoyed because Mr. Dutrow does have a bearing on my life…everytime he alienates a fan, or another trainer or owner, it pulls down the sport. Why does this matter to me?

First, a warm and fuzzy moment - because I love this sport. But, the bottom line is I’m a smalltime breeder and owner and my little corner of the racing world needs the ‘top end’ to be strong and thriving. When you’ve got RD and the owners saying what amounts to stupid comments, it turns people off to racing and they spend their money elsewhere.

As far as ‘no need to spout negatives’ do you mean me, the rest of us in this conversation, or RD? Because RD has surely said some very inappropriate things over the past weeks. Using an ethnic slur against the trainer of Casino Drive is inexcusable, as well as some of his comments about other horses and trainers. I mean, if I wanted to hear trash talk I’d be crazy about football and baseball.

As far as more people being outspoken about their feelings and opinions, the best trainers and horsemen I’ve known have been humble to the extreme. There’s no need to shoot off your mouth and be unwise and unkind. It’s fine to have confidence in your horse, but don’t bring everyone else down while you fire away at ‘civilian’ targets. Think of the Jones family of trainers, Lucien Laurin, John Servis, Michael Matz, Bill Mott, the late Frank Whiteley, etc. who all had grace under pressure (well, I guess Mr. Whiteley could have been nicer to the reporter who unfortunately asked “Mr. Whiteley, what are Damascus’ sleeping habits?” and Mr. Whiteley stomped off muttering “how would I know his sleeping habits - I don’t sleep with him.” It still cracks me up).

Even Bud Delp doesn’t remotely come close to RD in terms of obnoxious behavior…he just said ‘Spectacular Bid is the greatest horse who ever looked through a bridle.’ And, there are many people who believe that is true. He made a statement without dissing other good horses. Bud Delp was brash but not so unkind. I’d have to say The Bid was one of the last great horses to be so feared on the racetrack he won a Grade I in a walkover because no one wanted to face him.

As far as Racing Gods to tempt…what can I say? I’m old school and have worked and been trained by some of the best and smartest people in the business. I’ve hotwalked, groomed, galloped, bred and owned a few nice horses. I’ve bred MSW winners at Belmont, Philadelphia Park, Penn National, and had horses I’ve bred run well at Saratoga. And, I do not breed to a stallion just because he is popular - he’s got to be correct, have a good mind, and run soundly for several years. Juliet and Xena (my girls) are both nicely bred mares who have wonderful conformation and are sweethearts. And, by the way, I’m not breeding this year - they are leased out. I’ve got a few things I have to take care of this season health-wise.

I also write about racing and sporthorses (one of my books is ‘Genuine Risk’ from the Eclipse Press Thoroughbred Legends series). If you do not believe in The Racing Gods that’s fine - we live in a free country (thank goodness). I must, however, point out that you’re in the minority if you don’t believe in The Racing Gods. Some of the greatest trainers of all time will barely whisper ‘Racing Gods’ because of the superstition most longtime racetrackers possess.

I’ve seen The Racing Gods at work. They have been very kind to me. I respect and venerate them. And, I’ve found they have VERY long memories.

I hope I haven’t been too mean or brash myself in replying to your post. I respect your opinions but I happen to disagree. I hope we will someday meet at a track so we continue this conversation (preferably over a shrimp salad at Saratoga).

Hallie McEvoy
Racing Dreams, LLC

#86

[QUOTE=rileyt;3257627]
As the instigator of this thread, I thought I would just clarify something.

I have nothing against the horse. In fact, I LOVE the horse.

I will be rooting for him on Saturday. I am DESPERATE for a triple crown winner.

BUT… I WISH WISH WISH that at this time in horse racing, we could have a “team” (trainer, owner, etc.) that we could be proud of. Dutrow’s cockiness (especially as compared to Casino Drive’s owner’s respect for his competitor) is unseemly at best.

If Casino Drive wins on Saturday, a small part of me will relish BB’s defeat, if for no other reason than to knock Dutrow off his high horse.[/QUOTE]

OH, STOP with this Dutrow bashing.

Dutrow is a lifelong race tracker. He dropped out of HIGH SCHOOL at 16 and went to the track to train horses. Dutrow sounds just like the gamblers at my local OTB…in an upscale area …that horse is a farm animal…what a garbage horse…he belongs in a can…and, any horse that wins a race and they didn’t bet …the trainer is drugging the horse.

Dutrow is typical NY brash…he is not polished, not educated. He refers to everyone as “BABE”.
He is quoted out of context and his phrases are printed like “if a jockey gangs up on BB he’ll be assassinated”. How many idiots took that at face value? A lot, including the media.

Less than 4 years ago, Dutrow was a CLAIMING trainer living in a tack room.
He is not Pletcher,Zito,Baffert. He is not polished. You ask him a question and you get the facts. NO bs, no song and dance, no trainer speak…

Dutrow is 100% correct in telling what he BELIEVES to be the truth about BB…he believes his horse is unbeatable. So, he tells it like it is and he is villified over and over and over.

BTW, Dutrow is 100% correct in criticizing SJ’s connections. NO HORSE ever won the Belmont w/o a timed workout over the track. SJ never worked at Belmont. Shipped in that morning/night before. NO JOCKEY ever won the Belmont w/o a RACE over that track. S. Elliott NEVER rode at Belmont before he rode SJ to defeat.

Dutow is an excellant horsemen and a bigmouth for sure. I’m surprised at the anomosity toward Dutrow. Alot of great sports figures were brash and supremely confident. BB can’t talk. So, Dutrow fells compelled to speak for him:D

We have gotten so used to bs trainer speak, when a trainer says exactly what is on his mind, he is crucified by people “who wouldn’t know which end of a horse races”.

The BB crew are a brash bunch of NY’ers. They are not going to change and are great fodder for the press and fan sites, and the usual anti-NY sentiment.

#87

Haligator,

I think EVERYONE should say positive things, and RD is doing so when he says he 100% believes in his horse, even if it appears brash to others. What would you like him to say?? Bow his head, rub his toe in the dirt and say “Aw, shucks, I sure hope the big boy wins, it’d gawsh durn be nice, durn’t ya think?” What does this ‘humbleness’ really do for you other than make you second guess your actions? Who needs that?

I like a person who speaks his truths, even if it doesn’t equate to mine. I don’t like the negatives he may have said (I haven’t been analyzing his conversations, not sure why anyone else is??), but we’re all learning. NO room for negatives from any of us, really. What’s the point?

I just don’t understand why people want anyone to ‘dumb down’. I bet Donald Trump never thought less than 100% about being successful. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been. I don’t like what I know of his personality (and I don’t need to like everyone), but he’s RIGHT in believing in himself. Now how he may have gotten there, and how many people he may have hurt, well, that’s not the point. The belief is.

Be positive all the time, believe in yourself and your loves, and everything will be fine. Really. No matter what anyone tells you :yes::wink:

ETA: The racing industry has done enough to hurt itself without blaming RD or any one individual. Why they can’t trust the racing public to make their own decisions on what is going on I see as using blinders on us, pretending it’s the Emerald City or something. We (the public) aren’t dumb, no matter what our government would like us to believe :wink:

#88

You don’t get the ‘facts’ when you ask him about steroids though. :rolleyes: That was the dumbest answer I’ve ever heard a professional give.

#89

It’s one thing to be loudly confident (nothing wrong with that) BUT it is the blatant disregard for others and the bashing that goes on. Racially charged slurs, belittling other horses in the race, etc. It’s a whole lot OLD, and lacking decorum if not class

#90

[QUOTE=haligator;3258863]
Hi Melelio,
I’m annoyed because Mr. Dutrow does have a bearing on my life…everytime he alienates a fan, or another trainer or owner, it pulls down the sport. Why does this matter to me?

First, a warm and fuzzy moment - because I love this sport. But, the bottom line is I’m a smalltime breeder and owner and my little corner of the racing world needs the ‘top end’ to be strong and thriving. When you’ve got RD and the owners saying what amounts to stupid comments, it turns people off to racing and they spend their money elsewhere.

As far as ‘no need to spout negatives’ do you mean me, the rest of us in this conversation, or RD? Because RD has surely said some very inappropriate things over the past weeks. Using an ethnic slur against the trainer of Casino Drive is inexcusable, as well as some of his comments about other horses and trainers. I mean, if I wanted to hear trash talk I’d be crazy about football and baseball.

As far as more people being outspoken about their feelings and opinions, the best trainers and horsemen I’ve known have been humble to the extreme. There’s no need to shoot off your mouth and be unwise and unkind. It’s fine to have confidence in your horse, but don’t bring everyone else down while you fire away at ‘civilian’ targets. Think of the Jones family of trainers, Lucien Laurin, John Servis, Michael Matz, Bill Mott, the late Frank Whiteley, etc. who all had grace under pressure (well, I guess Mr. Whiteley could have been nicer to the reporter who unfortunately asked “Mr. Whiteley, what are Damascus’ sleeping habits?” and Mr. Whiteley stomped off muttering “how would I know his sleeping habits - I don’t sleep with him.” It still cracks me up).

Even Bud Delp doesn’t remotely come close to RD in terms of obnoxious behavior…he just said ‘Spectacular Bid is the greatest horse who ever looked through a bridle.’ And, there are many people who believe that is true. He made a statement without dissing other good horses. Bud Delp was brash but not so unkind. I’d have to say The Bid was one of the last great horses to be so feared on the racetrack he won a Grade I in a walkover because no one wanted to face him.

As far as Racing Gods to tempt…what can I say? I’m old school and have worked and been trained by some of the best and smartest people in the business. I’ve hotwalked, groomed, galloped, bred and owned a few nice horses. I’ve bred MSW winners at Belmont, Philadelphia Park, Penn National, and had horses I’ve bred run well at Saratoga. And, I do not breed to a stallion just because he is popular - he’s got to be correct, have a good mind, and run soundly for several years. Juliet and Xena (my girls) are both nicely bred mares who have wonderful conformation and are sweethearts. And, by the way, I’m not breeding this year - they are leased out. I’ve got a few things I have to take care of this season health-wise.

I also write about racing and sporthorses (one of my books is ‘Genuine Risk’ from the Eclipse Press Thoroughbred Legends series). If you do not believe in The Racing Gods that’s fine - we live in a free country (thank goodness). I must, however, point out that you’re in the minority if you don’t believe in The Racing Gods. Some of the greatest trainers of all time will barely whisper ‘Racing Gods’ because of the superstition most longtime racetrackers possess.

I’ve seen The Racing Gods at work. They have been very kind to me. I respect and venerate them. And, I’ve found they have VERY long memories.

I hope I haven’t been too mean or brash myself in replying to your post. I respect your opinions but I happen to disagree. I hope we will someday meet at a track so we continue this conversation (preferably over a shrimp salad at Saratoga).

Hallie McEvoy
Racing Dreams, LLC[/QUOTE]

Well said Hallie :yes:

#91

Just because I’m feeling grumpy: You guys, don’t you know that racetrackers come in all stripes. To wish horse fail in his quest for the triple crown is just mean and nasty. I’d love to see a Triple Crown winner after a thirty year drought. On the other hand, let the best horse win. That’s horseracing. But there have been a number of heartbreaks since the last TC winner - it would do us good to have another hero.

#92

Well Greenmachine, it appears he will race after the Belmont. And all I was saying is that so many people are just picking away here and its getting rather ummm…stupid! The freedom of speech thing probably was not the correct thing to say, I am tired of peeps pointing out anything wrong they can find with this horse and his team.

#93

Oh and thanks Reese! I agree with you 100%.

#94

[QUOTE=gubbyz;3260017]
Well Greenmachine, it appears he will race after the Belmont.[/QUOTE]

Good! If he wins, I hope they ditch the Travers idea and see what kind of true challenge they can come up with for him. I understand the allure of winning the Summertime Derby (and its pur$e), but what’s the point of continuing to beat down poor competition? It may be that no horse in the world, three-year-old or otherwise, can beat him on dirt (or, better yet, grass). I’d love to see him prove that, rather than wave good-bye and always wonder.

#95

Big Brown has bad feet. Some folks say they won’t breed to him because of that. Ever see AP Indy’s feet? Just saying.
Dutrow is what old race trackers used to refer to as “common.” He’s an unpolished sort who is, as was mentioned above, making the most of his 15 minutes. If folks really have the sense not to breed to a horse with bad feet, perhaps they’ll also have enough sense not to take a colt to a trainer with no couth. And he’ll wind up sleeping in tack rooms again in another 3 years.
We, the industry, could use a Triple Crown Winner. Years from now, I hope, we’ll have a horse to remember and a trainer who is forgotten (I think Leroy Jolley has only been mentioned once here as one of the most hated trainers who ever walked - if we can forget him, we can forget anybody).

#96

[QUOTE=reese;3259034]
OH, STOP with this Dutrow bashing.

Dutrow is a lifelong race tracker. He dropped out of HIGH SCHOOL at 16 and went to the track to train horses. Dutrow sounds just like the gamblers at my local OTB…in an upscale area …that horse is a farm animal…what a garbage horse…he belongs in a can…and, any horse that wins a race and they didn’t bet …the trainer is drugging the horse.

Dutrow is typical NY brash…he is not polished, not educated. He refers to everyone as “BABE”.
He is quoted out of context and his phrases are printed like “if a jockey gangs up on BB he’ll be assassinated”. How many idiots took that at face value? A lot, including the media.

Less than 4 years ago, Dutrow was a CLAIMING trainer living in a tack room.
He is not Pletcher,Zito,Baffert. He is not polished. You ask him a question and you get the facts. NO bs, no song and dance, no trainer speak…

Dutrow is 100% correct in telling what he BELIEVES to be the truth about BB…he believes his horse is unbeatable. So, he tells it like it is and he is villified over and over and over.

BTW, Dutrow is 100% correct in criticizing SJ’s connections. NO HORSE ever won the Belmont w/o a timed workout over the track. SJ never worked at Belmont. Shipped in that morning/night before. NO JOCKEY ever won the Belmont w/o a RACE over that track. S. Elliott NEVER rode at Belmont before he rode SJ to defeat.

Dutow is an excellant horsemen and a bigmouth for sure. I’m surprised at the anomosity toward Dutrow. Alot of great sports figures were brash and supremely confident. BB can’t talk. So, Dutrow fells compelled to speak for him:D

We have gotten so used to bs trainer speak, when a trainer says exactly what is on his mind, he is crucified by people “who wouldn’t know which end of a horse races”.

The BB crew are a brash bunch of NY’ers. They are not going to change and are great fodder for the press and fan sites, and the usual anti-NY sentiment.[/QUOTE]

“Uneducated” and “unpolished” does not always go hand and hand with “genuine ass”.
I don’t care that he’s not a Harvard grad. I don’t care that he may not have much of a vocabulary. I know LOTS of people with meager educations that somehow manage to act with class 99% of the time. I’m within my rights to hate him for being a classless jerk and a bad spokesperson for the sport. Then again, my sports heros have always been those who keep their mouths shut and beat people with grace… Pete Sampras, Cal Ripken Jr., Tony Gwinn, Michael Matz. Saying “I think he’ll win” is far different from saying “its a foregone conclusion” or “Godzilla’s coming for you”. I think even in elementary school they teach things like sportsmanship. Perhaps Rick was too busy getting high on the playground that day.

Like I said, I’ll root for BB come Saturday just because I like the HORSE, and I like the Jockey. That’s enough for me. But if he loses, a small part of me will find comfort in the fact that Rick Dutrow will have to eat some much deserved crow.

#97

I know all three Dutrow brothers, and their late father…Rick was raised the same as the other two…on the backside, he has always had an attitude, this is just him… his brothers are soft spoken as his father was, and are very humble. Some people just have attitudes, like it or not.

#98

[QUOTE=Laurierace;3258560]
Big Brown will retire by about 7pm on Saturday and Dutrow will fade into the sunset never to be heard from again. He knows this is his 15 minutes of fame and he is making the most of it. History won’t forget Big Brown’s name but they sure won’t remember who trained him.[/QUOTE]

Hardly. It is CLEAR you know little about racing or you wouldn’t make the above comment “and Dutrow will fade into the sunset never to be heard from again”.

Dutrow’s GRADE 1 winners:

Benny The Bull
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2007 DeFrancis Dash, 2008 Golden Shaheen

Carson Hollow
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2002 Prioress, the first Grade 1 win of the trainer’s career. Also won G2 and G3.

KipDeville
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2007 Kilroe Mile, 2007 Breeders’ Cup Mile, 2008 Maker’s Mark Mile

St Liam
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2005 Donn, 2005 Stephen Foster, 2005 Woodward, 2005 Breeders’ Cup Classic.

Sis City
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2005 Ashland.

Silver Train
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2005 Breeders’ Cup Sprint, 2006 Met Mile.

Silver Wagon
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2007 Carter

Wonder Anne Lady L
Grade 1 wins with Dutrow: 2006 Coaching Club of America Oaks

And THOSE are his GRADE 1 WINS only.:smiley:

It must be a NY thing…that brash mouth of Dutrow’s.
The NY beat writers who cover sports understand the style.
Go read the NYDaily news sports column by Ross today.

#99

Good posts, Reese, but Lauriace does actually know a bit about racing, and it’s not nice to say that on a post that is describing a person with no class, couth, education, etc.

#100

Ease up Reese.

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