Does anyone else offer stud fees this way???

[TrueColours]

http://www.zuchthof-hampe.de/e-deckhengste.html

Thought this was a very interesting concept that I havent seen done over here at all - a small stud fee up front, and then when the mare is checked in foal, the balance is due - sort of modelled along the same basis of TB and SB breeders

Here is their list of stallions as well - some very nice offerings at some very nice prices!

I am cooperating with the best known breeding stations:

Visschedijk (Netherlands) - Team Nijhof (Netherlands) - Intermizoo (Italy) - Völz (Germany) - De Wiemselbach (Netherlands) - Landgestüt Redefin (Germany) - Equimedic (Belgium)

So I am able to offer a wide selection of world-class stallions as well as definite breeding-friendly conditions.

Aerobic (KWPN) Carthago Z - Heartbreaker - Voltaire 200 € + 400 € at pregnancy

Back Gammon (KWPN) Montender - Heartbreaker - Ekstein 300 € + ? € at pregnancy

Baloubrie (Meckl.) Balou du Rouet - Kolibri - Convoi 400 €

Barnaul xx Club House xx - Doryant xx - Jongleur xx 200 € a dosis frozen semen + 300 € at pregnancy

Bodyguard of Spain xx Surako xx - Valiyar xx - Young Generation xx 350 €

Bonaparte (KWPN) Johnson - Burggraaf - Amor 200 € + 400 € bei Trächtigkeit

Bonaparte Z (Zangersheide) Balou du Rouet - Lux Z - Ramiro Z 650 €

Campione (Holst.) Capitol I - Sacramento Song xx - Cottage Son xx 200 € + 800 € at pregnancy or 400 € per dosis frozen semen

Canturano (Holst.) Canturo - Coriano - Ahorn Z 200 € + 650 € at pregnancy

Capello´s Boy (Zacharov) (KWPN) Clinton - Lord Z - Nimmerdor 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Caress (Holst.) Casall - Heraldik xx - Landgraf I 400 €

Cerousi (Meckl.) Cero - Ussuri xx - Raueck I 350 €

Chellthago Z (Zangersheide) Chellano Z - Carthago Z - Romeo 300 € + ? € at pregnancy

Clinton (BWP) Corrado - Masetto - Landgraf I 200 € + 2.300 € at pregnancy

Concorde (KWPN) Voltaire - Marco Polo - Lindberg 200 € + 1.050 € at pregnancy

Count Up (Hann.) Conteur - Don Primero - Charmeur 450 €

Crusander (Holst) Contender - Alcatraz - Calvados II 450 €

Dayano (Holst.) Dolany - Linaro - Romino 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

D´Olympic (Old.) Donnerhall - Cor de la Bryere - Moltke I 650 €

Don Akzentus (Old.) Donnerhall - Akzent II - Wendepunkt 450 €

Don Juan de Cuves (SF) Rosire - Artichaut - Fulminant 200 € + 600 € at pregnancy

Eldorado van de Zeshoek (BWP) Clinton - Toulon - Calypso III 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Florencio (Westf.) Florestan I - Weltmeyer - Pik Bube II 200 € + 1.050 € at pregnancy

Heartbreaker (KWPN) Nimmerdor - Silvano - Uppercut xx 200 € + 1.800 € at pregnancy

Johnson (KWPN) Jazz - Flemmingh - Sultan 200 € + 700 € at pregnancy

Juventus (Meckl.) Juon II - Sonnenstrahl - Almanach 400 €

Lamarco (Meckl.) Landcapitol - Morgan - Grollus xx 350 €

Larino (KWPN) Concorde - Armstrong - Ridder 200 € + 650 € at pregnancy

Last Man´s Hope (OS) Last Man Standing - Conteros - Caletto I 700 €

L´Esprit (KWPN) Lupicor - Landgraf I - Calvados I 300 € + 500 € bei Trächtigkeit

Lewitz (Meckl.) Lord Sinclair III - Golfstrom II - Janos 400 €

Lord Z (Holst.) Lord - Calando I - Meteor xx 200 € + 1.300 € at pregnancy

Lupicor (KWPN) Lux Z - Pilot - Cor de la Bryere 300 € + 1.200 € at pregnancy

Numero Uno (KWPN) Libero H - Lord Calando - Ahorn Z 300 € + 1.500 € at pregnancy

Manhattan (KWPN) Burggraaf - Abgar xx - Camillus 200 € + 650 € at pregnancy

Montender (KWPN) Contender - Burggraaf - Le Mexico 1.500 € 30. day pregnancy+ 1.000 € at pregnancy 1. oct.

Ol Metta (SF) Flipper d`Elle - Le Plantero - Livarot 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Peter Pan (Oldenburg) Pilot - Domino - Gepard - Furioso II 200 € + 800 € at pregnancy

Quality Time (Holst.) Quantum - Cantus - Mowgli 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Roven xx Lefty xx - Pretencioso xx - Samos III xx 200 € + 700 € at pregnancy

Sandreo (KWPN) Sandro Hit - Flemmingh - Ahorn 200 € + 700 € at pregnancy

Sergeant Pepper (Old.) Silvio I - Ramino - Astor 700 €

Singapore (Holstein) Acorado I - Cantus - Cor de la Bryere 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Sir Galanto II (Hannover) Stedinger - De Niro - Gardeoffizier 350 €

Sir Oldenburg (Oldenburg) Sion - Contender - Tin Rocco 200 € + 700 € at pregnancy

Solitair (KWPN) Voltaire - Libero H - Ulster 300 € + 600 € at pregnancy

Spartacus (Hann.) Stakkato - Grannus - Colorado x 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Spielberg (Westfalen) Sunny Boy - Rosire - Roncalli xx 200 € + 400 € at pregnancy

Symont (Trakehner) Monteverdi - Kostolany - Mahagoni 200 € + 400 € at pregnancy

Toulouse (OS) Toulon - Padarco - Dimenos 700 €

Ultime Espoir (Zangersheide) Chellano Z - Laeken - Fort de la Cour 300 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Underberg (Holst.) Ussuri xx - Cambridge - Calypso I 400 €

Upgrade (KWPN) Heartbreaker - Pilot - Frühling 300 € + 800 € at pregnancy

Ustinov (KWPN) Libero H - Nimmerdor - Marco Polo 300 € + 900 € at pregnancy

Van Gogh (KWPN) Numero Uno - Bernstein - Burggraaf 300 € + 700 € at pregnancy

Verdi (Q-Verdi) (KWPN) Quidam de Revel - Landgraf I - Calypso I 200 € + 1.050 € at pregnancy

Vincenco (KWPN) Numero Uno - Ekstein - Legaat 300 € + 500 € at pregnancy

Vleut (KWPN) Quick Star - Cantus - Concorde 200 € + 800 € at pregnancy

Wallenberg (Hannover) Stakkato - Libero H - Calypso II - Furioso II 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Warrant (KWPN) Numero Uno - Nimmerdor - Purioso 200 € + 650 € at pregnancy

Whitaker (KWPN) Clinton - Indoctro - Admiraal Z 300 € + 800 € at pregnancy

Wizzerd (KWPN) Indoctro - Corland - Glennridge 200 € + 600 € at pregnancy

Zambesi (KWPN) Heartbreaker - Calvaro Z - Le Mexico 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Zento (KWPN) Quasimodo Z - Caletto II - Liguster 200 € + 550 € at pregnancy

Have we seen this concept over here with anyone yet?

[Sunnydays]

Yes, Lodbergen is similar.
For example:
Don Gregory - 400E when breeding, additional 400E when confirmed pregnant.
They have a great line-up, including Don Gregory, Rohdiamont, Coleur Rubin, Rubin Royal, Rubin Cortez, Dante Weltino - and more super guys.

[TrueColours]

Sunnydays - is that over here in North America or over in Eurpoe still?

[imajacres]

[QUOTE=TrueColours;5614532]
Sunnydays - is that over here in North America or over in Eurpoe still?[/QUOTE]

I think Europe, hence the E for Euro. It is fresh semen.

[Tasker]

Mom & Dad tried it in the 80’s & 90’s. Non payment was the usual pattern of how things finally turned out, sorry to say. Or lies of the mares not being in foal/stallion(s) are infertile/etc and that was in state, out of state or out of the country collections, live cover situations…didn’t matter.

[Galadriel_Fefalas]

AFAIK it’s pretty much standard procedure to ask for a fee for the mating, then another fee if the mare is in foal.

Options that I know of are “No foal, free return” (where you take your mare back to the stallion for free) and “no foal, half fee return” (where you pay half the stud fee the second time), some studs charge a boarding fee for the mare, but not for the breeding if she doesn’t get in foal.

[EquusMagnificus]

[QUOTE=Tasker;5614561]
Mom & Dad tried it in the 80’s & 90’s. Non payment was the usual pattern of how things finally turned out, sorry to say. Or lies of the mares not being in foal/stallion(s) are infertile/etc and that was in state, out of state or out of the country collections, live cover situations…didn’t matter.[/QUOTE]

Did you require a vet certificate as to the “not-in-foal” situation?

I did this deal with two stallion owners so far and it worked great. Being self-employed means an unsteady flow of income, and being able to cut the payment in two made for an easy peasy situation for me to juggle financially.

Love this option personnally. But I am in the honest bunch.

[TrueColours]

Ive also offered “creative financing” to some Mare Owners - in todays economy you simply have to do it to make it work out for them

And touch wood - I have dealt with nothing but honest people. No chasing for money, no bounced cheques, no money excuses - everything just flowed very very smoothly from beginning to end. They appreciated the flexibility and I appreciated their business, so it was win/win for everyone

[DownYonder]

I think the very nonchalant attitude about registration papers in some segments of the market – particularly the very large hunter market - makes it too easy for dishonest MOs to scam SOs out of any balance due for a breeding.

There are also a few organizations out there that register foals without requiring an original breeding certificate signed by the SO, so unscrupulous MOs can even get registered foals without satisfying their financial obligations to the SO.

In general, I am not sure it is a good option for most SOs in North America.

[starrunner]

The SO I dealt with was very kind and allowed me to do payments spread out. It was easier financially than paying one chunk up front. The balance was just due before the foal arrived.

Then again, there would be little value/incentive for an unregistered Arabian foal (what mine is), and without the SO’s signature, no way to register her, so maybe that makes a difference on stallion owner policies.

[RobinL]

I had a stallion owner do this for me (non-approved AHS). Mare biopsied IIB so I paid a cover fee and the rest when the she foaled. Stallion was aging so worked out for both of us.