Does anyone have any advice for dealing with the Jockey Club?

Ok… I’m about at my wit’s end.

Backstory: I have a TB mare that I’ve owned since '97. Her papers were lost during a cross country move. (a box was thrown away that shouldn’t have been) MY name is ON those papers. I purchased her unnamed as a 2YO and when I named her, her official (grown-up/non-foal) papers were registered to ME.

I’m trying to get another copy of those papers. (I’m breeding her this year and need to be able to register the foal) I sent in all of the paperwork including a copy of her original bill of sale, pictures, notarized statement, marking/whorl declarations… etc.

I got a letter today stating that I needed a bill of sale with HER NAME and a full pedigree on it as proof. (or the original canceled check) Otherwise they cannot issue me a duplicate set of her papers. Her bill of sale has her sire and dam listed, but no name, because… at the time she was still unnamed. I’m the one who named her. (and there’s no way I can get a copy of that check. The bank went under YEARS ago)

Ok, at this point I don’t know what else I can do for them. If they want a full pedigree/official paper stating that I’m the owner… why can’t they just pull up a copy of her registration papers and LOOK AT THEM?? (and I did ask this question once, the response was: “We can’t do that ma’am.”)

Anyone have any advice? I’m climbing the walls over here…

Does she happen to have a lip tattoo??? Sometimes that helps.

I would phone them directly and explain that it was you that late-registered this horse and also named her. I have always found Andrew (can’t remember his last name) to be very helpful.

It does indeed state in the rules for obtaining a new certificate that the name and registration of the horse must be stated on the bill of sale. But your case might be slightly different so call them in person.

Their number: 1-800-444-8521

Very specifically, see point 4 - - Have your lawyer draft up the ENTIRE explanation that you purchased this horse as an UNNAMED 2YO, that YOU were the one that named her and registered her. From there go on to describe that you made a cross-the-country move during which time her papers went missing along with other household items.

In order to have named her and registered her, you must have had copies of the stallion breeding certificate?? You would have needed to know her sire’s name, dam’s name, date of last breeding and foaling date. Gather together all of this information again as additional proof that YOU were the one that named and registered her. They should be able to look up your name and see you listed in their records as the last owner on record.

Horses are late-registered all the time and are frequently unnamed until registered. This can’t be an isolated situation.


A copy of the email I got on this very subject:  

You may respond to this email with a fax number or mailing address, or contact one of our Registration Specialists at 1-800-444-8521 to obtain a Duplicate Request Form. Once completed, this form may be mailed or faxed to The Jockey Club at the address and/or fax number provided on the form itself.

 

[B]If you purchased or acquired your horse without papers, please be aware it may not be possible to obtain a duplicate. [/B]

 

Please refer to the following requirements, all of which must be met, regarding the issuance of a Duplicate Certificate of Foal Registration as stated in Rule 9 of The American Stud Book Principal Rules and Requirements.  

 

9. DUPLICATE CERTIFICATE OF FOAL REGISTRATION 

·         A. If a Certificate of Foal Registration has been lost or destroyed, a Duplicate Certificate of Foal Registration may be issued by the Registry Office upon submission of the following: 

·         1. A check or money order payable to The Jockey Club covering the prescribed fee (see Fee Schedule); 

·         2. A set of four color photographs of the horse (front, both sides, and rear views) clearly showing the color, and the markings (or lack of markings) on the head, legs and body; 

·         3. A completed and signed Duplicate Certificate Form containing the written description of the markings on the horse, including the exact location of the head and neck cowlicks; 

·         4. [B]A notarized statement from the owner or his authorized agent describing the circumstances under which the Certificate of Foal Registration was lost or destroyed[/B]; 

·         5. Proof of ownership of that specific horse (for example, a bill of sale or cancelled check including the name or pedigree of the horse, date of sale and the name of the new owner); and 

·         6. Any further evidence and assurances as The Jockey Club may require, such as genetic typing and/or parentage verification. 

 

A complete copy of The American Stud Book: Principal Rules and Requirements may be accessed at http://www.jockeyclub.com/registry.asp?section=3. 

 

We look forward to assisting you.

 

Sincerely, 

 

 

Registration Services

The Jockey Club

821 Corporate Drive

Lexington, KY 40503

 

Phone 800-444-8521

Fax 859-224-2710

www.registry.jockeyclub.com

Rhodawn, Yep I’ve done all of that. Including the notarized statement of how the original papers were lost. (I think I even remember talking to an Andrew once)

She was registered (and went through Keeneland) with her foal cert and I sent in all of the paperwork when I purchased her in 1997 to officially name and transfer her. She’s been in my name ever since.

We didn’t get her tattooed because the tattoo guy came to the track (literally) the day AFTER we decided she had no chance of ever becoming a racehorse and there wasn’t (therefore) any point in tattooing her. (and boy have I kicked myself for that decision ever since…)

I’ve spoken to some really nice people on the phone, and I totally understand that they have to follow protocol. I guess I’m just baffled as to why it’s become such a difficult process. There doesn’t seem to be any quibble that my mare is who I’m saying she is… just that I legally own her, and I find that odd considering I’m the one listed on her papers.

I guess I’m just really worried that even though I’ve given them everything that I have, they’re going to refuse to give me papers on a horse that is registered in their system in my name. :frowning:

I’m not asking for a transfer, there’s no break in the ownership or anything like that, nothing even remotely shady. It’s literally: Open File On Mare, Print, and Mail…

But did your notorized statement contain the statement that YOU named and registered the horse after you puchased her as an unnamed 2YO??

Otherwise, try posting this on the racing forum. Someone there might have some tips they have gleaned from experience.

ahh good point, it did not.

I guess I assumed that information would have already been in her file. sigh

They have so many horses that are constantly changing hands, sometimes several owners in a day, that they don’t bother looking these things up in a file. They just expect the documents to be all presented together exactly as laid out in the rule book and if one piece of info is missing, everything grinds to a halt.

You have to really point out in big, bold letters, (underlined, italicized, with exclamation points times 30, and highlighted in bright flourescent pink… blah, blah,… you get the picture) any information that is contrary to their usual set of circumstances.

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They have so many horses that are constantly changing hands, sometimes several owners in a day, that they don’t bother looking these things up in a file. They just expect the documents to be all presented together exactly as laid out in the rule book and if one piece of info is missing, everything grinds to a halt.

You have to really point out in big, bold letters, (underlined, italicized, with exclamation points times 30, and highlighted in bright flourescent pink… blah, blah,… you get the picture) any information that is contrary to their usual set of circumstances.[/QUOTE]

THIS

Make everything simple and in black and white, don’t assume that they know or will look up anything, the simplest of assumptions can get you denied. While I applaud the improvements that the JC has made in the last few years, they still have a LONG way to go.

[QUOTE=rodawn;5610277]
They have so many horses that are constantly changing hands, sometimes several owners in a day, that they don’t bother looking these things up in a file. They just expect the documents to be all presented together exactly as laid out in the rule book and if one piece of info is missing, everything grinds to a halt.
You have to really point out in big, bold letters, (underlined, italicized, with exclamation points times 30, and highlighted in bright flourescent pink… blah, blah,… you get the picture) any information that is contrary to their usual set of circumstances.[/QUOTE]

This - EVERYTHING has to be plainly stated. I’ve actually had really GOOD experiences with the Jockey Club as far as some “off” situations we have run into.

One of which included having a mare with the WRONG papers -tattoo was just faded enough to be plausible & markings were similar… none of which we discovered until we went to register the foal. Obviously we owned the mare who had foaled - but thanks to a paper “mishap” well before we got her we didn’t have the correct name. Lets just say it was a fun few months while we figured it out. But they patiently walked me through the process and we figured it out - also walked me through the process to get the correct papers in my hand for the mare.

More fun with them was the process of trying to get a duplicate breeder’s certificate for an '08 foal - after the stallion owner at the time of the breeding passed away (I now own the said stallion). They insisted they could ONLY send the stallion cert to th stallion owner of record AT the time of the breeding. Um lets see - the guy is deceased and his widow is 88 years old? - I own the stallion, I own the mare, I own the foal. Finally got them to agree that it was a bit rediculus given the circumstance - was told to fax a copy of the bill of sale showing when I took ownership of the stallion (which was prior to the foal’s birth) and a letter explaining the circumstances and they would take care of it. IF someone had come up with that situation 2 years ago I would have been MUCH happier in this process of trying to register the foal. At this point it’s a mute point since the day after we worked that out the colt sold as a gelding to a private home for barrel racing lol

Sometimes it just takes calling and getting someone who is really willing to be creative to help solve the problem

Would Keenland have a record of the sale? That might also help.

Good luck,
Nancy!

Whew! Ended up getting a really nice person and they sorted everything out.

Yay!

Glad to hear it!!

YAY - always good news :slight_smile: See its just a matter of getting the “right” person on the phone.

Great news. Seems sometimes you just need to get the right person to answer the phone.

Nancy!:slight_smile:

Glad you got it sorted out! I’ve never had any trouble with the jockey club.