Does My Horse Have Cushings?

The results came back — and I am confused.

This is what I wrote down:

Plasma
ACTH Baseline 37.4 pg/ML 9 - 35
Insulin Baseline 15.10 ULUml 10 - 40

Serum
Free T4 dialysis (fd4t) Baseline: 1.05 ng/dl 1.2 - 1.8

T3 96.1 ng/dl 30 - 80
T4 Immulite 1.18 ng/dl 1 - 3

Warren is high, low and in the middle. How bad is bad? The vet said that these numbers do not warrant putting him on any meds. — But does that mean that he has the beginning of Cushings?

The full report has lots of ‘explanations’ of the results, but I do not understand them. Can anyone compare their horse’s numbers to these?

My 19-year old OTTB mare has an ACTH of 42.4 and 10.32 for insulin. She was tested a few weeks ago and the results are from Cornell. Her ACTH has slowly crept up so we are keeping an eye on that and will retest before the fall (where seasonal elevations can happen). She has been on Prascend for a few years now.

Which test was done, and when? TSH or ACTH test? Was the blood draw on a forage-only “fasted” horse?

I think Tip started on Prascend when he tested between 38 and 40 on a spring ACTH test. We had also been testing him annually for 11 years prior because he looked like a Cushings horse waiting for a diagnosis, so we had a very solid baseline and there was no question about whether or not to medicate. :slight_smile:

My understanding is that ACTH and insulin are of interest to test together because they look for different things. High ACTH indicates possible Cushings and high blood insulin, especially with normal range blood glucose, indicates insulin resistance. Horses can have one but not the other. You can also have extra fun by testing for leptin resistance while you are at it.

If your vet does not think it is appropriate to medicate at this point, I would wonder if that’s because elevations above the 35 line are not uncommon in your area at this time of year, especially with the funky is-it-spring-or-isn’t weather we’ve had on the East Coast and the effects that have on sugar production in grasses. Did the vet would recommend you do another test later this year? Is Warren showing particular symptoms?

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It sure can be confusing. I’ve been on this journey now for almost 2 years with one of mine (really both as they are easy keeping Fjords). Just had a discussion of test results today my vet.

One is pony insulin resistant and has been for about a year and a half. He was showing abnormal sweating during most of the very hot summer of 2016 and continued to sweat into the winter. Abnormal sweating can be one of the less common symptoms of Cushings. So I insisted that he be tested. Insulin reading was 50 in January 2017. Put him on Heiro, a supplement that is supposed to help with IR. In April 2017, test result had dropped to 40, and now in May 2018, we’ve got it down to 23. All tests were fasting and run thru Cornell.

Other pony’s insulin and ACTH have come back normal on all testing occasions. I do have him on Heiro also, though, since he had one mild lamanitic bout following a case of cellulitis in his legs that was brought on by his Sweet Itch. He seems to have a more sensitive immune system. I am taking no chances. Thyroid results just came back borderline low this spring, so vet suggested a low dose of Thyro-L for him and retest in the fall.

Most of my other management - ultra slow feed hay bags with tested low NSC hay @ weighed 2% daily allotment, muzzles during turnout, no high carb treats or other feed. Low carb ration balancer only. Regular exercise - was already treating these guys as if they were IR even when the numbers technically didn’t say it was so. Vet say this is a big part of why she is very happy with the way these two are doing.

My vet said this crazy weather - late winter into instant hot summer (truly crazy for the upper midwest) - has caused all kinds of very elevated test results in her client horses this spring. (like results as much as 10-20 times what we are getting on these guys)

ACTH results say technically pony #1 is not Cushings. Both vet and I feel he is definitely pre-Cushings if we consider the horse in front of us and not just the numbers in isolation. He has some fat pads on the shoulders and croup. Hair is thick and still shedding (but he is shedding consistently so far). He has been a yak in winter for the 15 years I’ve had him. (He’s 22 now, still acts like he’s 12 or younger.) Although the vet didn’t feel Prascend was warranted yet, I was looking into Chasteberry to help him shed a bit more. Vet highly encouraged that as she has seen good results with it. We shall give it a try and see.

Your thyroid results seem to be on a different scale than mine, so can’t offer much comparison for you on that. Mine was a bit low on TT4 and has been on a low dose of Thyro-L for over a year to help boost metabolism and keep weight down. Although, he is now in the “normal” range, just barely, we are going to up the dose slightly while all the grass is growing like crazy. Will monitor and retest in the fall and maybe adjust back down over winter when the grass is non-existent. Vet has had a lot of success with adding the Thyro-L for IR horses. Even the low dose has kept him at a nice low 5 body score, not bad for a normally rotund breed.

I did ask about testing leptin, but vet said “save your $$$,” and she normally loves to run tests. She says there is very little verified research to tell us what an appropriate result is and even less guidance on what to do with the numbers we would get. So, mainly an academic FYI with nothing you can really manage on a practical basis. I had really hoped this would help shed some light on my not IR, not Cushing pony. He is a ravenous eating machine. Was hoping for a way to tone down his appetite, but alas. One inch hole hay bag and muzzle it is for him. Tough love is hard, but laminitis is horrid.

She also said (and I’ve read in numerous places) that all these hormones play off one another, so when one is out of whack in any way, it can influence test results of the others. That does make a lot of sense. We try as best we can to fine tune all the management and med aspects, but most of all we treat the horse we see in front of us, not just rely on the numbers alone.

Good luck. This is a constantly moving target. My personal opinion is to keep on top of it as it appears Cushings can be years in the making before visible symptoms start to rear their head. I prefer to be a bit proactive when we see the first small signs of trouble with anything.

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I believe that both/all tests were done.

Blood was pulled after a 2+ hour fast (except that he was given a small handful of grain because he was upset that other horses had been fed…) Vet did not seem to think this was a biggie. He was out/grazing the night before, but was brought in at 6:30 and vet came at 9am.

Blood was pulled 2 - 3 weeks ago. I cannot remember if we were having our 3 days or rain or 3 days of heat at that moment.

3 of my 4 horses who did not fully shed have started a slow shedding process again. So maybe it is just this crazy year… Other than not shedding, there are no other abnormal symptoms.

I had thought that I would get responses that other peoples’ horses were MUCH more out of the norm… But now that I am seeing that Warren is right in the same range I am wondering why the vet said the results were OK.

PS: Is everyone else paying $200 (sent to Cornell) for a test? That seems to be pretty high for a test which needs to be given so often.

The ACTH test needs careful handling and an overnight to Cornell, so that’s part of why it’s more expensive than other tests.

Many horses in our region have been reported to be shedding late and not too well over the top of their backs and hips.
That is not normal for our area.
They think it is the super hot days, some over 100F and the very cool nights, that are interfering with sun light hours telling horses to shed.

My 20 year old now four years on Prascend and two on thyroid Cushing’s horse has the same trouble shedding.
He has never before done any other than shed quickly in the spring.
I was told odd shedding was seen in other than cushinoid horses this year.

Mine was only $125 and yes through Cornell.