Does this sound normal for an abscess?

Day 1: Horse was completely sound in the morning. Had a really nice ride, with very good, sound work. By 6:00 p.m., horse was toe touching lame on right hind. He’s unshod on hind feet. Pulled him out of his stall to look at it, and he would barely even allow me to approach that hind leg. I honestly wondered for a moment if it was broken. However, once he let me approach it, I found that there was no heat or swelling in the leg. Some heat in the hoof, but not terrible. I made him walk over to the wash stall so that I could soak his hoof. First few steps very lame (toe touching), but gradually improved as we continued walking. Soaked hoof in warm water, then wrapped hoof with Animalintex and diaper.

Day 2: Horse walking much better with diaper still on in morning. Removed diaper/Animalintex, and there was some almost chalky dark gray “stuff” (presumably drainage) from the lateral side of the frog groove towards the heel of the hoof. Without wrap on, horse still very lame (toe touching). Let him be turned out. At one point, he was cantering on three legs. He is turned out alone, so this was voluntary. By evening, horse was walking much better. Still lame, but at least using entire hoof. Soaked and wrapped with Animalintex again overnight.

Day 3: Horse walking sound with and without wrap. More drainage still in the same place and a little bit on the other side of the frog groove area as well. Still dark gray/chalky in appearance. Put horse on lunge line and he was sound at the walk, but still at least 3/5 or 4/5 lame at the trot. Much worse to the right than the left. Horse stayed in all day due to weather. Soaked and wrapped again p.m.

Day 4: Horse walking sound with and without wrap. Still more drainage in the same place and a little on the other side. One obvious kind of brown glop near lateral side of frog groove (same place original drainage started). Put on lunge. Sound in walk, still off in trot, more off to the right than the left. Probably still 3/5 or 4/5 lame to the right, maybe 2/5 to the left in trot. Turned horse out. He spent the entire day rearing in turnout (normal for him when he is in the dry lot, unfortunately), so obviously putting a lot of weight on his hind end. Walking okay p.m., although maybe a little hesitant. Soaked and wrapped.

Day 5 (today): Horse walking sound. Still some drainage on Animalintex, primarily a brown glop in same area of initial drainage. Horse pretty lame in trot on lunge. Probably 3/5 lame to left and 4/5 to right. Worse to the left than he was the prior two days, actually. Turned him out, where he is grazing peacefully.

So…does all of this sound like the normal process for an abscess? I guess I have not been super alarmed about it because it IS draining, and he has improved substantially as compared to day 1 when he could barely walk. I would say he is a little worse in trot today than he was the last two days, but still much better than he started out on day 1. Again, this didn’t really surprise me because it is still draining.

Someone today told me that he should be sound IMMEDIATELY as soon as the abscess STARTS draining. I admittedly don’t have a lot of experience with abscesses (thankfully!), but I thought that it wasn’t unusual for them to still be lame while it continues to drain, or even for a while after it stops draining.

What are your experiences? I guess I think that if this were something other than an abscess, it would have gotten progressively worse or stayed the same since day 1, but now I’m second guessing myself.

If the abscess pocket was up high and big, it’ll follow this pattern. As long as it’s draining, it’s good.

In my experience, it really depends on how bad the abscess was and the pain tolerance of the horse. I’ve had some that you drain and the horse is immediately 100% sound. Others will continue to experience lameness to some degree for a while as it heals. As long as it is still draining, I would not be alarmed. Unfortunately, I have dealt with my share of abscesses, lol!

I think you are on the right path. What you’re going through actually sounds 100% like what happened to my gelding last summer. I had a great ride on him that AM and then PM he was lame… wrapped him for a few days w/ no change so I called the vet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99CFHbVPuXI
A vid of it before the vet came… everyone at the barn said it WASN’T an abscess but I thought it was.

Turned out to be a hot nail, vet came to drain it and he went back to about 90% once the wound was drained, but over the course of the next 2-3 weeks went from 20% off to 100% off until the sole calloused and the inflammation completely receded.

Good luck!! Abscesses are my favorite lameness to have if they have to have one :lol:

If it is draining and he is increasingly getting sounder, it sounds as though you are on a very good path.

Be thankful that it ran it’s course so quickly. these thing can drag on for 10days and leave chewing fingers down to bone.

When the farrier comes, have him take an extra look there.

[QUOTE=merrygoround;8173415]
If it is draining and he is increasingly getting sounder, it sounds as though you are on a very good path.

Be thankful that it ran it’s course so quickly. these thing can drag on for 10days and leave chewing fingers down to bone.

When the farrier comes, have him take an extra look there.[/QUOTE]

Well, my only concern with it is that he’s still so lame in the trot. I mean, like, really quite lame still. I’m going to wait it out a bit longer and see if he improves further in the next couple of days. He is due to be trimmed/reshod, but I don’t want to have him done when he is this sore. He can be difficult with the farrier, and I don’t want to give him extra reason to misbehave.

I’d definitely have the farrier out. Especially for an abscess! He can poke around a bit and remove anything that could be getting in the way.

What you’re describing sounds just like a large abscess. They take days to drain and there can be several pockets/exit points which have to drain. Keep soaking and wrapping, even a little bit after he is sound. Keep an eye because sometimes the big ones appear to be done, and a few weeks later the horse will abscess again.

Good luck, tis the season for abscessing!

I’d have the vet out.
There are a variety of OTHER things it could be that do NOT benefit from benign neclect.

[QUOTE=Janet;8173487]
I’d have the vet out.
There are a variety of OTHER things it could be that do NOT benefit from benign neclect.[/QUOTE]

Well, I realize that. However, there is obvious drainage and he went from three legged lame to completely sound at the walk once the drainage started. I’m hardly practicing “benign neglect.” I’m assessing him twice a day and soaking/wrapping the hoof. He has no swelling and no worsening of symptoms. I’ll have the vet out if he stops improving. If anything, I tend to have the vet out for every little thing - it’s not as though I’m going to let this go on forever.

Going through this currently…drained, healed, then redrained for almost 6 weeks. Horse is finally sound again and the foot no longer draining, seems to be healing. Frustrating and worrysome, but keep it wrapped and draining and you will get through it.

Coming off of Winter one year, my mare was sound at the walk and off at the trot on the lunge( right hind). It went on for about 2 weeks, no heat, swelling and fine in the dry lot otherwise. When cleaning her feet I hit the place the abscess was ( in the cleft of the frog) it blew with pus & blood. She was still off at the trot for a while after that ( 4 -5 days) When farrier was out I told him and he checked the spot and it was healed by then.

I also had another mare who would be 3 legged lame suddenly. It would last a few days and go away for months. After a year of that ( yes, vet had been called, horse seen) she finally blew at the coronet band on her left rear foot.

Anything is possible with an abscess. Be aware that it can drain and then heal up and still be there to be active again, especially if it is deep in the foot.

You know, I used to be in the “wait and see, have the farrier have a poke” camp. And then my mare had an abscess that just kept draining and wasn’t quite right and it went up her leg and turned into a bone infection that could have / should have killed her.

So now I’m in the “It’s been a week, time for the vet” camp, even if the above scenario was pretty rare.

Yes, this is what I worry about. Was your horse’s lameness improving during that time, or was she staying the same/getting worse? Mine definitely improved a lot from onset, but it bothers me that he’s still so lame in the trot.

[QUOTE=Preposterous Ponies!;8173781]
You know, I used to be in the “wait and see, have the farrier have a poke” camp. And then my mare had an abscess that just kept draining and wasn’t quite right and it went up her leg and turned into a bone infection that could have / should have killed her.

So now I’m in the “It’s been a week, time for the vet” camp, even if the above scenario was pretty rare.[/QUOTE]

UPDATE (Day 6): More drainage on the Animalintex this morning, this time dark gray/black stuff from both sides of the frog. I know it wasn’t dirt or anything because I scrubbed the bottom of his hoof really well last night. Definitely drainage. When I press on his frog, more of the gunky stuff wells up in the grooves on either side of his frog. His lateral heel bulb is also very sore/squishy. Put him on the lunge line. He is still walking sound both directions. Starting out in trot to the left, he was very ouchy and kept wanting to stop and halt. I would say probably 3/5 lame. To the right, he actually looked better in trot than he has the past few days (that had been his worse direction). Probably 2/5 lame. On a hunch, I put him back to the left in trot, and he was almost 100 percent sound. So, I suspect something worked its way out while we were lunging this morning. We shall see. He’s out all day with his foot unwrapped right now, and I will re-assess and probably soak and re-wrap again tonight.

[QUOTE=FineAlready;8174786]
UPDATE (Day 6): More drainage on the Animalintex this morning, this time dark gray/black stuff from both sides of the frog. I know it wasn’t dirt or anything because I scrubbed the bottom of his hoof really well last night. Definitely drainage. When I press on his frog, more of the gunky stuff wells up in the grooves on either side of his frog. His lateral heel bulb is also very sore/squishy. Put him on the lunge line. He is still walking sound both directions. Starting out in trot to the left, he was very ouchy and kept wanting to stop and halt. I would say probably 3/5 lame. To the right, he actually looked better in trot than he has the past few days (that had been his worse direction). Probably 2/5 lame. On a hunch, I put him back to the left in trot, and he was almost 100 percent sound. So, I suspect something worked its way out while we were lunging this morning. We shall see. He’s out all day with his foot unwrapped right now, and I will re-assess and probably soak and re-wrap again tonight.[/QUOTE]

there was a poster here… someone help me out… said the color of abscess is important… virulent color is obviously a red flag, but didn’t he say something about grey or yellow being bone infection, etc? I remember disagreeing with him but does anyone remember what colors pus signifies?

maybe since it’s now day six, I’d involve a vet. Especially since it is draining from the frog area.

[QUOTE=Preposterous Ponies!;8173781]
You know, I used to be in the “wait and see, have the farrier have a poke” camp. And then my mare had an abscess that just kept draining and wasn’t quite right and it went up her leg and turned into a bone infection that could have / should have killed her.

So now I’m in the “It’s been a week, time for the vet” camp, even if the above scenario was pretty rare.[/QUOTE]

Just recently a friend lost her horse after a hind hoof abscess became septic after about a week of wait and see. I would call the vet for sure.

If you had a hole in your foot you’d b a little sore too :slight_smile:

Yes, this all sounds very normal.

That said, at this point I would probably have the vet out. My guy had a “frog abscess” which ended up being a stick shoved in there. Long story but it actually took a 10 days or so for me to even find the stick, despite the vet cutting away from of the frog around Day 5. Starting Day 5 he was put on abx because of the pus-y nature of the stuff coming out, and stayed on them for a while given the stick.

I sent a text to one of my vets to see if she thinks he needs to be seen. I also sent a picture of the drainage. He does not have a fever, by the way. And he will voluntarily rest the opposing hoof. I’d be quite surprised if this is a bone infection. I would not think it would be improving if it were. I’ve definitely seen plenty of abscess drainage this color in other horses.

[QUOTE=FineAlready;8174935]
I sent a text to one of my vets to see if she thinks he needs to be seen. I also sent a picture of the drainage. He does not have a fever, by the way. And he will voluntarily rest the opposing hoof. I’d be quite surprised if this is a bone infection. I would not think it would be improving if it were. I’ve definitely seen plenty of abscess drainage this color in other horses.[/QUOTE]

oh, don’t think it’s a bone infection either, but I do remember the poster had some interesting information regarding what the colors meant. Wish I could remember which thread it was, it was a year or so ago. Hope the vet follows up soon.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was something like what JB went through - the frog can easily shield foreign matter…

I also put a call in to my vet clinic. I use a big clinic and have good relationships with a lot of vets there, so I’m sure they will call me back.