Does trailer GVWR include tongue weight?

Hi all, I just got a lovely new-to-me Trail-et 2 horse gooseneck (2001 model). It doesn’t have the empty weight listed on the plaque with the VIN and GVWR, so I took it to the local gravel place to weigh it. It’s 4400# empty, which is more than I was anticipating. I’m a bit worried because the GVWR is only 7000#. That means I can only put 2600# in the trailer without exceeding the GVWR. That sounds OK until I begin to think about the giant drafty horse my boyfriend wants so badly. My little mare is ~1000#, and I’m estimating his future draft cross to be anywhere from ~1400-1600#. That puts us at 2400-2600# of horse flesh in the trailer, right at the 7000# GVWR, with no room for tack or other supplies (which will probably be a lot since we’re both eventers!).

We are well within the limitations of the tow vehicle (newer F250), which has a tow capacity of 12,000#, GCVWR of around 16,000#, GVWR of 10,000#, and curb weight of around 6500#. If I’ve done all the math right, the vehicle is fully capable of towing this trailer loaded. My only concern is overloading the trailer.

I did notice in the paperwork I got with the trailer that it’s built on 2 3500# axels, which conveniently add up to 7000#. It only seems logical to me that the total amount of weight the trailer can safely carry is the capacity of the axels combined with the tongue weight, since those are what’s actually bearing the weight of the trailer. Is the tongue weight of the trailer included in the GVWR? Or am I just making excuses in my head that I’m able to carry another 1000# in my trailer?

You will subtract the tongue weight - you will carry the tongue weight over your hitch and truck axle, the rest is being pulled / carried on the trailer axles - you cannot know the actual tongue weight unless you are all loaded up and get weighed - but - I would figure 1000 - 1200 depending on a level trailer and what is loaded ahead of the axles -
Risa
Happy Trails Trailers
Balanced Ride Trailer

1 Like

I’m a bit confused. If the GVWR is 7000, does that include the 1000-1200 tongue weight, or is that in addition to the 7000?

Here’s a specific scenario:

Trailer empty weight: 4400
Horse 1: 1200
Horse 2: 1500
Misc stuff: 300

total: 7400

Would I be beyond the capacity of the trailer in this scenario, or is the extra 400# over the GVWR taken care of by the tongue weight?

Oh, I think I understand what you’re saying… In my scenario above, you would do this?

Trailer empty weight: 4400
Horse 1: 1200
Horse 2: 1500
Misc stuff: 300

total: 7400

tongue weight: 1000

7400 - 1000 = 6400 = gross vehicle weight for the trailer?

You would be 400 over. The tongue weight is included, not in addition to, the GVWR. 4400 is a heavy 2-horse trailer.

My horses are not huge, but are all above 1000 - 15.2ish PRE is 1100 lbs., 16.2ish Dutch WB is 1270 lbs., and 16.3H Oldenburg is 1350 lbs.

YES - you are carrying 6400 on your axles in your example - the trailer axles are rated to carry 7000 / when you hitch up a % of the weight is being “carried” in the truck bed thru the coupler, called tongue weight - that part is not being “carried” by the trailer axles or riding on the trailer axles - maybe should call it carrying and pulling -
Risa

1 Like

Thank you Risa! BTW - I dream of getting a Balanced Ride trailer. Definitely not in the budget at this time but maybe someday…

@joiedevie99 That was my initial thought too, but it didn’t make sense when I thought about it. If both axels on the trailer are 3500#, then the combined axels could carry 7000#. What about the extra 1000# or so of tongue weight on the truck?

Since I want to be absolutely sure I’m not going over the limit, I called Hawk Trailers and talked to a guy that worked at Trail-et back in the day. He confirmed what Risa said above, that the tongue weight is in addition to the GVWR.

1 Like