The daisy cutting movement is supposed to be more comfortable for the rider, and more energy efficient for the horse, particularly when you are out all day following the hounds across the countryside.
The top hunter riders can win hunter classes in any form they like, since the class is judged on the style of the HORSE. Not the style of the rider.
I was wondering the same thing. :rolleyes:
Horrible dog attack by aggressive unleashed dog>>>>Dogs are a nuisance at shows, especially the unleashed and/or aggressive ones>>>>>>>Dogs should be banned at horses shows>>>>>Hunters should tolerate unleashed dogs but donāt because modern hunters suck.
Youāre welcome,
Dept. of useless explanations.
Buckās XC at Rolex? Top rider, at the top of the sport, at the top event in the US, and someoneās loose dog on xc chased him through the sunken road, which has eaten many a horses and riders. I think it happened to him again at a different FEI event, too!
It was actually one overseas, Gatcombe I think, in 2016? But jeez, I would be incredibly pissed if I was running, well, any event at all but especially an FEI event and a dog threw off the groove of my round and endangered me and my horse. The rider of this horse had to pull up for a second so someone could grab the dog, then continue on.
You know the owner was probably super embarrassed too. Or at least I hope they were, they should be.
Maybe this is why this trainer has a history of her aggressive dogs attacking other dogs or people and nobody gives a crap?
We arenāt talking about dogs, or repeat offenders, we have been easily distracted by someone complaining about how show hunters are real hunters.
Am I to understand, that based on that FB post, the people at HITS paid the bills?
I am reading that TOM (of HITS) said there had never been any complaints about this dog previously.
Then down in the comments
āThe same exact dog attacked two smaller dogs on the HITS Saugerties property in July 2017 in front of Tent 22. Saugerties Police has a report and photographs in case Tom needs his memory refreshed.ā
For me, itās more that I could conceivably āmake itā on a decent horse in eventing or show jumping. That decent horse could be $500 if Iām super lucky. More likely itāll be in the $10k-20k range. But Iām going to get laughed out of the Hunters ring on anything other than a $100k unicorn.
On topic: I like dogs. But you know what I love? Going out without my kids and/or an animal in tow. (Helped that all of our dogs were weirdos that didnāt enjoy riding in the car.!) Seriously. Iām a single parent. My kids have pets that stay home when they go to their dadās. I never have time where Iām not responsible for keeping a sentient being alive. Going out to Target alone is relaxing for me. Iām not schlepping a dog with me to a horse show. Iām busy enough at those without having to worry about a dog.
oh, Iād be beating someones ass!
And this is why it is so, so, so important to file complaints. Even if nothing can be done in the moment, getting appropriate documentation to cite down the line when (so tragically) the same issue occurs, it creates a pattern that can and should be used to take action against the individuals responsible.
Good reminder to all of us this horse show season. File complaints with appropriate authorities and do so in a way that leaves a paper trail. Get confirmation of it being received if youāre not filing with police - save those emails if itās to show management. etc.
Yup! Thereās a perfect demo of how dressage worked in combat in Kenneth Branaghās movie of Henry V. During the big battle of Agincourt scene, the camera starts panning back and forth from each main character. You see the guy Iāll call the flag bearer (because I have no clue what heās actually called!) holding the English armyās line. His horse is piaffing. And quite nicely, I might add, because the horse is perfectly synched with the music. And when Henry charges out of the gates of the city of Harfleur after torching it, he gets his horse to hold still just yards from the menacing flames long enough to urge his army, āOnce more unto the breach, my friendsā by executing a pesade. I reckon the producers hired actual dressage riders and horses for the sake of authenticity. It never occurred to me before but Henryās gleaming white charger is likely a Lippenzaner or PRE.
Could not agree more. Even if thereās a dog that attacks and no one is hurt, file a report so thereās a paper trail. Too many people cannot be responsible for their animals. The next time, there may be injuries.
It is not that unusual in eventing, because a lot of the horses are OTTBs and OTTBs rarely go for much more than $2kā¦ It is unusual in other disciplines, though. I really donāt think eventing is as āeasyā to breed for as other disciplines (easy being subjective - we all know breeding is hard) which is why there are so few horses purpose-bred vs found with potential doing the ULs.
Thereās been several articles in COTH now, about UL eventers being bought for pennies early in their career. I believe AP Prime was one they did an article on, $500 or so.
More on the myth of the $500 OTTB. I attended a 4* jumping competition this weekend. 32 riders, representing 7 - 10 countries - US, Canada, Ireland, Great Britain, Columbia, Switzerland, Chile - a couple other that Iād have to review the prize list to remember. Multiple former Olympians in the class.
Of the 32 horses competing, wanna guess what the ratio of warmblood to TB was?
32 - 0. All warmbloods, with German warmbloods (Hannoverian, Holsteiner, Oldenburg, Mecklenberg) predominating.
When I last showed jumpers (which was a long time ago); I showed an OTTB in the 3ā6" and 3ā9" divisions (it was so long ago that they hadnāt converted the heights to meters yet) and I was in the minority even back then. And as the height of the fences and the competitiveness of the classes went up, so did the number of WBs.
I donāt disagree that could be the case. But does that speak to the suitability or lack thereof of TBs for showjumping? Or that thereās more profit in WB sales? Or that fewer people are skilled at retraining OTTB ? None? Some combination of all 3?
I feel like itās the fact that there is more profit in warmbloods, and it takes more time to bring along an OTTB. There usually are OTTBs at top level competitions eventing. Iām kind of shocked to hear of one that didnāt have any full thoroughbreds, thatās not as common.
Wanderosa,
Iām going to loosely paraphrase Denny Emerson on this one. Back in the heyday of TB sport horses 1.) there were very few purpose bred American sporthorses 2.) it was much more difficult to import from Europe and 3.) there was a āfilteringā system in place, that is, a lot of horse dealers who would buy up large groups of OTTBS, put 30 - 90 days on them, run them through a jumping chute, weed out the ones that were obviously unsuitable, sell some of the good ones, continue to develop some of the ones with promise.
That filtering system no longer exists today; partly because of lack of patience, partly because no one has the stomach for what happens to horses that were filtered out by that process/the ārescueā mentality and partly because of the growth of occasional amateur riders who donāt want to deal with TB temperament.
If you follow Denny of FB you can read it āfrom the horseās mouthā, so to speak.
@McGurk the ājumping competitionā you were referencing from this weekend was GP jumpers, not eventing, right?
@evilc123, Correct.
ETA: Denny Emerson also credits the change from long format to short format in eventing with diminishing the role of TBs. Once you take away the endurance component and increase the importance of the dressage score; warmbloods become more desirable for eventing,
Look at the WB pedigrees and see how many have TB up close, particularly the dam sire.
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