[QUOTE=Willesdon;n10409255]
Look at the WB pedigrees and see how many have TB up close, particularly the dam sire.[/QUOTE
Correct. Callie from Ky was cousin of Cloudy from Germany
100% tb mare and 50% tb ky and French wb. The wb breeders imported the ky tb studs to refine their wb mares.
Owners of Killer dogs should be jailed. A guy over in Decatur just east of Atlanta was indicted and convicted by a jury when his 2 dogs attacked and killed a man at his mailbox
Hundreds of dogs attend all breed shows every week-end. All are accustomed to their crates not barking nor fussing. Many are staying on their grooming tables of their own free will. Rarely is a dog wandering around the show on its own and following years of showing dogs I canât remember dog fights.
I used to take my Tibetan Terrier to horse shows where she spent her time sleeping under my chair at ringside. A horse show judge tried to buy her.
So itâs hard to understand all the problem causing dogs at horse shows.
Dogs are dogs so why such a difference in their behaviour? What turns some horse show dogs into monsters? Itâs a puzzlement alright.
Dogs at dogs shows have handlers paying exclusive attention to them, for one. Iâve seen plenty of naughty behavior at agility so itâs not like all dog people are perfect all the time. But dog people TRAIN their dogs because their dogs are being judged. Plenty of horse people donât.
But how many of those dog show folks bring their horses along to the dog show? ðŸËâ°
We accidentally brought our barn cat to a horse show. He stowed away in the utility trailer and wasnât discovered until that night. Weâll never know why he didnât leave during the hours the trailer was open for unloading. Since everyone who was going back to the area of the barn was gone by the discovery, he got to to spend the next day at the show hanging out in a dog crate.
The ironic part is that training a dog is CAKE when youâre used to training horses. 
Little side story:
I used to work for a professional showing dogs. We had a lot of Standard Poodles. At one outdoor show he was showing one in the ring and I had to bring another ringside for him to show in the next class. A third dog, âDapperâ was on the table starting prep for his class. (takes a long time for Std Poodles!). Anyway he was table trained but was alone for a few minutes during the switch. As I arrive at the ring, I hear a commotion in the grooming area. Dapper knew he had to stay on the table, but apparently decided that we didnt say which table. He was merrily jumping from table to table, sometimes nearly landing on an occupant! :lol:
For sit/stay stuff on a low drive and easily motivated dog, sure.
Check out mondio or french ring, where the dog is taught to make a judgement call on the intentions of the âattackerâ, or to escort them to prevent escape. Or some of the big-running bird dogs, steady to wing and shot.
One is predator, the other is prey. One works for release, the other reward. Itâs not easier. Not at all.
Edited to add: Check out this send-down. I can get a send into a dog, but not like this - the dog is running as hard as he can towards ⌠nothing, in his mind. Nice work on the training! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9O87Q2t0dQ
FWIW Iâve seen plenty of ROTTEN dog behavior at dog performance events. Iâve been to agility, FAST CAT, etc.
Agreed. I have a mastiff breed I showed and he is a big sweetheart, he is a therapy dog for kids in the hospital. He was bit in the butt at his first AKC show and was grabbed by the throat at Eukanuba. The first bite was by a hound, he yelped and the second bite he just kept walking with a big terrier hanging off of his throat. That dog wanted to fight and mine didnât even get notice. He just kept on going and the other dog let go confused that there would be no fighting.
So I ride and show at a lot of facilities that are mostly indoor (since Iâm a reiner) and more and more facilities are implementing a complete dog ban for arenas and show areas. Only service dogs are allowed in those areas and even then they are tight on that. When asked, they will always say for insurance purposes. You donât realize how nice it is to have a horse show be dog free until you go to one with dogs everywhere.
We took a cat to an event once by accident! He also got a first class ticket to cratesville until we could take him home 
Itâs beginning to sound like dogs taken to horse shows live up to their ownerâs low expect ions of the,. And, as usual, the bad apples spoil,it for everyone else. I wonder how those dogs are expected behave at home.
I took a puppy to a dog show a few years ago. After class we wandered down to the hunter/jumper show at the other end of the facility. First thing we saw was a loose aussie, and another un-tethered dog on a golf cart. We turned around and went back to the dog show. It wasnât worth the risk.
When I was showing horses, my husband used to take our dog. It gave him something to do all day. The dog was well mannered, and loved accompanying her horses to the show. It is sad that idiots have ruined it for everyone, although it is management that refused to enforce the rules.
If they had a zero tolerance leash policy and enforced it, then that would have solved the problem, no? If these trainers are too big to piss off by telling them to control their dogs, would a total dog ban actually solve anything? Wouldnât the rule followers leave their dogs home and the âbig trainersâ continue to bring their unleashed hellhounds?
If they did letâs expect them to behave as well as they behave at a horse show. ðŸĹĹž
Apparently the dog that bit the child and killed her puppy was on a âlong leashâ?
It seems that not much will change until show management is faced with an incredibly expensive lawsuit with charges of gross negligence. Hopefully they are getting the drift after this latest horror.
It defies common sense that the latest incident (child bitten and her puppy killed) would be beyond the notice of everyone involved, and whether show management, dog owners, or USEF, can be so unaware that they are treading on very thin ice, and that they urgently need to put their ducks in a row as far as this issue is concerned.
USEF ,and more importantly show management, better address this problem quickly and decisively. Some dog owners obviously and unfortunately canât be counted on to act responsibly.
If USEF and/or show management donât make new rules and rigorously enforce them, they may quite well be where the buck stops, when the lawsuit ends.
The owner of the biting dog and their attorney will quite easily point to the fact that âunder the rulesâ dogs are allowed on a leash. No length of leash specified? Dogs have bitten children before? Killed a puppy? Of whom do we think a judge will find accountable, the dog owner technically abiding by the rules, or the entity that has made rules that when followed continue to result in injury to people and death to puppies?
Liability regarding most of horse sport is pretty well established. By riding and/or standing on the ground at a horse show you may be assuming the risk of being injured by a horse. Being attacked by a dog? That is not what people expect, nor should they have to consider the possibility of a dog attack at a horse show.
It is true, irresponsible people ruin what could be a normal, dogs included, outing for everyone.
As others have said, there are shows that have âNo Dogâ policies and it doesnât matter how âimportantâ you are, the rule is enforced.
I am not a lawyer, but isnât it the case that negligence overrides liability exemptions?
And wouldnât the presence of dogs known to be problematic be negligent?
Iâm not a lawyer either but I would think this is a valid theory. However, none of that matters if the parents of the child and puppy in this instance refuse to file any claim in the court system. We can all be equally outraged on this board when we werenât directly involved but iâd bet money that many potential claimants at horse shows do not pursue legal avenues so as not to cause waves in the sport in which they still need to navigate, which is quite political to begin with.
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