She currently has 69 ads on Warmbloods-for-sale!
Also just looked and according to her website, she has 33 mares in foal for this coming year! I’m curious as whether people are still buying horses from her.
I am hoping those are some of her imaginary breedings… Anyone who puts 33 mares in foal before putting up shelter for their horses is deplorable. I mean come on, not even a tree and she is okay with that? I have no words.
i will remind folks that we are in a very mild part of the country. out there (where JB is) it rarely gets over 80 in the summer… it does rain… no snow. freezes once in a while.
horses live without shelters all over the place here. I have no idea if shelters are required in Marin county - but you see horses every single day with no shelter.
so while i am in no way supporting JB i am saying the shelter thing is not important in the bigger picture… at least around here…
Happy to learn the elderly are safe now. I missed a lot of the saga as like so many other users I too have real life things to take care of from time to time 
It is a scary thought if 33 foals are indeed expected there but I guess as long as sales go through she won’t see a need to change her ways. I keep my fingers crossed that she will come to reason soon.
I really wonder if Jill has internet access as she doesn’t remove scathing posts from her FB pages like she used to do. They would be gone in minutes, now they are still there for all to see weeks later.
^^^ Nice, so now she has horses boarded on the east coast - which she has not paid board / vet / farrier since July?
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I really wonder if Jill has internet access as she doesn’t remove scathing posts from her FB pages like she used to do. They would be gone in minutes, now they are still there for all to see weeks later.[/QUOTE]
She was on FB the other day “liking” things. I do think it’s odd, though happy to see, that the posts on her FB pages are still up.
There are links to this thread that have been there for three months as well as a COTH poster who used to be a supporter insisting she gets paid. Still there for all to see.
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There are links to this thread that have been there for three months as well as a COTH poster who used to be a supporter insisting she gets paid. Still there for all to see.[/QUOTE]
Right. I just think it’s odd she hasn’t taken them down as she obviously has some sort of web access. Happy she has not though.
I have not posted anything that you folks do not already know. Requesting shelter is not an “investigation” it’s the law. I am here to help the horses. Period. if you have a problem with me posting here requesting information, then maybe you are friends with Burnell or protecting her. That is fine too. Call me, we can discuss the matter. Any confidential information I get for any investigation that concerns other matters such as civil matters are transferred to the proper authorities.
HoofJustice is just asking for information, and hasnt divulged any information reguarding her ongoing case. By seeking out individuals with first hand information she is doing her best to research an uncooperative individual in a remote location. I applaud her work. The more first hand witnesses she can gather, the more chance she has for a better outcome for the horses.
Taking on a case such as this has to be a nightmare. With the cost of feed here in CA, and the logistics of what to do if you have to bring this many horses into your shelter has to be really upsetting. Once you serve an owner a notice of legal correction, then you have to enforce your actions to be credible. What is the next action you take if Jill DOESNT provide what you have requested?
And folks, I only brought up the “all stallions gelded” comment, because I thought it was interesting. Here Jill could probably sell ONE stallion and make enough to provide shelter for her horses for the winter, and instead she is going to wait, have them possibly seized, and then the shelter will be forced to geld them before they are placed in forever homes–which is the goal once a humane society is involved.
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And folks, I only brought up the “all stallions gelded” comment, because I thought it was interesting. Here Jill could probably sell ONE stallion and make enough to provide shelter for her horses for the winter, and instead she is going to wait, have them possibly seized, and then the shelter will be forced to geld them before they are placed in forever homes–which is the goal once a humane society is involved.[/QUOTE]
Capone I was seized… He was returned to a former owner and NOT gelded. I suspect if the stallions were seized, they would not geld them out of principal, provided proper approved homes could be found. That said, if they were it would be a shame because they are nice stallions, however it’s not like the loss of their bloodlines would leave an unfillable hole. There are plenty of nice stallions out there that are not filling books now, and a TON of Redwine foals on the ground.
I know of a couple stallions who were seized locally - put into local foster homes and they remain stallions…
i assume if JBs horses were taken then they would end up in the “usual” places… many of those can and do take stallions.
and just for the record: i do not “support” JB i don’t even know her. i just think its funny for a law enforcement officer to post on a public BB.
Capone was not gelded but the other Holst Stallion taken at the same time was gelded even after protests from breeders. Cantour by Cantus. I believe it really ends up being a coin flip depending on who/where they are placed there are plenty of rescues etc that are very anti breeding and would geld them in a heart beat no matter their breeding potential.
On the flip side there are worse fates then being gelding and being owned /managed by her might be one of those.
To me, haveing lurked on this and piped in occassion, it is troublesome that so much concern is whether her very nice stallions will be gelded.
That is a moot point to me. She has WAY to many horses under her helm that she obviously not afford to care for properly.
Yes, she could sell the stallions at top dollar because of their “fans” and solve that issue almost immediately. But sadly, she’s made the mistake of seeing her stallions as “cash cows” in uber production of foals – a foal mill really.
There is no problem with me at all about producing as many foals to interested mare owners as you can. That is good biz to a good market.
But the fact that she has 69 horses for sale (per another poster’s comment) and can’t pay her feed bills…and living where she does, has no pasture for sufficient grazing/calories, well that’s just tragic.
Who among us could support 69 horses that way for very long? Unless we are zillionaires. Clearly, she is not one if she owes a lot of people money and can’t pay her feed bills.
There is no good reason to be “heady” about owning a couple of nice stallions and let the progeny suffer, unless it is only about the ego in owning them and loving the ooh-ahh, by the unsuspecting… not knowing what is going on behind closed doors. Grosses me out.
When the accolades for her stallions stop-- even on this thread that others are seeing - then maybe it will stop feeding that ego. And the "owned’, potential throwaways in her barnyard can be saved and find goods homes. Just thinking.
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Color me confused. Curiosity got this cat and I went and peeked at her page. Isn’t the Laurie who’s on her FB demanding money owed the very same who a few pages back said she’s not spoken to Jill since Jully ?
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What is confusing? I have not spoken to Jill since about the third week of July. Nor have I received a board payment since then, despite hundreds of VMs left and emails sent. Now her phone has a message that at her request, it doesn’t take incoming calls. Not hard to understand. Posting on FB is not my method of choice, but when all else fails, you resort to those methods. Not that I in any way think I will get any result…
To the poster who thinks JB has been on FB because they have seen her “like” something. Those types of things can either be old likes that pop up periodically, or, more likely, FB gone awry. People post all the time saying they did NOT like something that FB says they did. Ironically, one of these likes for Jill is MasterCard!
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To the poster who thinks JB has been on FB because they have seen her “like” something. Those types of things can either be old likes that pop up periodically, or, more likely, FB gone awry. People post all the time saying they did NOT like something that FB says they did. Ironically, one of these likes for Jill is MasterCard![/QUOTE]
First, I am sorry you are having the same issues others are. Not surprising, but I feel for anyone in that situation.
Re: FB. I went to her page and looked at her recent activity (on R side). Hold your cursor over her recent likes and it will tell you when she liked whatever page she did. Incidentally, I am on her page right now and her last “like” was an hour ago…
…and here you go. I did not realize you could view “likes” this way, but this is a screen shot of the last few pages she’s “liked”. She is obviously online and reading at least daily/every few days.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/598487_10151164641297997_879810013_n.jpg
This is going off track, but I still don’t think it is her doing it. If these companies spam FB with likes, as I know they do, the date that they put it up will be the date someone appears to like something. Not saying she didn’t do it, but as Laurierace said, if she is online, she would have LONG AGO taken down my posts.
One of my best friends kept appearing to “like” Romney during the election. I let her know that that was showing up, repeatedly, and she was horrified. Everytime it showed up, she had to come on and deny that she had liked his page.
Additionally, CanAm??? Really? And Jared? Not her areas of interest…
