Just send them an email and they will change the text.
Numerous news stories are now published on the web, etc. Here is a good article with donation link to Leg-Up, also names GFF and Redwine.
http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/malnourished-horses-seized-from-chileno-valley-ranch
[QUOTE=PINE TREE FARM SC;6765245]
Can you please clarify that?
If the time is being extended by 5 minutes at the end does that mean 5 minutes from the scheduled time to close based on a bid within x minutes of the closing time or does it mean it gets extended 5 minutes till bids stop or something else altogether?[/QUOTE]
It ONLY extends the time when it’s within a few minutes of closing. It prevents people from putting in a final bid with the idea that no one can outbid them at the last moment (sniping). So, waiting until the last moment to bid with that idea in mind, won’t work on this auction :). Make sense? Clear as mud?
[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6765302]
It ONLY extends the time when it’s within a few minutes of closing. It prevents people from putting in a final bid with the idea that no one can outbid them at the last moment (sniping). So, waiting until the last moment to bid with that idea in mind, won’t work on this auction :). Make sense? Clear as mud?[/QUOTE]
That is a fantastic idea! I hate the bidders who bid on the very last second on ebay!
Farm is off Hannan Ranch Lane Petaluma, CA. That road isn’t very long. Looked at Google maps. I wonder if those dry lots with lots of horses on them, and single horses in little pens (?stallions) are Jill’s.
[QUOTE=Joanne;6765415]
Farm is off Hannan Ranch Lane Petaluma, CA. That road isn’t very long. Looked at Google maps. I wonder if those dry lots with lots of horses on them, and single horses in little pens (?stallions) are Jill’s.[/QUOTE]
That property was foreclosed on. The new land is Chileno Valley Rd I believe.
[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6765302]
It ONLY extends the time when it’s within a few minutes of closing. It prevents people from putting in a final bid with the idea that no one can outbid them at the last moment (sniping). So, waiting until the last moment to bid with that idea in mind, won’t work on this auction :). Make sense? Clear as mud?[/QUOTE]
We’ve been using Extended Bidding for a few years in the Oldenburg (OHBS/GOV) stallion service auction, and it works great to thwart last minute sniping. 
[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6765418]
That property was foreclosed on. The new land is Chileno Valley Rd I believe.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I was looking at her old place.
Anyone got a more complete address of her new place?
http://www.apal.co/RV/3956/1831 There is no address actually…it’s just a lot. And it can never be built on because it won’t perc.
perc? Why would anyone buy such a place?
Hoping the animals are taken care of by now. really curious to read the press release.
One of the articles from local paper.
http://novato.patch.com/articles/malnourished-horses-seized-from-chileno-valley-ranch
My guess is she picked it because it couldn’t be seen from the road, and it has a coded gate. She could do ( or not do, as the case may be) anything she wanted and no one could pop in and see. :no:
Yikes - after reading Vineyridge’s post and others, I am beginning to feel more disturbed, not less.
The auction is a wonderful thing - intended to help the Marin Humane Society (who have seized only two horses to date?) and to hopefully help those mare owners who more than likely have been stiffed or will be stiffed this coming year -( though, many of us love an auction of lovely stallions :)) - but is this valiant effort is not getting to root cause?
JB has not paid bills, has had suits filed, has had horses live in squalor, has hoarded mares, had lured folks with false advertising and cheap stallion fees, FOR YEARS - and is still in business? And folks still DO business with her? I don’t know which I dislike more - the former or the latter.
For all the sensible heads out there - what does it take to shut down her business? I never had any desire to do business with her so I have nothing to pursue - but :mad:
[QUOTE=yeskatboxxx;6765455]
http://www.apal.co/RV/3956/1831 There is no address actually…it’s just a lot. And it can never be built on because it won’t perc.[/QUOTE]
For those that don’t understand what “perc” means, here is a great article explaining it: http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infhomesale/infpurchasingland.html
[QUOTE=3Dogs;6765494]
Yikes - after reading Vineyridge’s post and others, I am beginning to feel more disturbed, not less.
The auction is a wonderful thing - intended to help the Marin Humane Society (who have seized only two horses to date?) and to hopefully help those mare owners who more than likely have been stiffed or will be stiffed this coming year -( though, many of us love an auction of lovely stallions :)) - but is this valiant effort is not getting to root cause?
JB has not paid bills, has had suits filed, has had horses live in squalor, has hoarded mares, had lured folks with false advertising and cheap stallion fees, FOR YEARS - and is still in business? And folks still DO business with her? I don’t know which I dislike more - the former or the latter.
For all the sensible heads out there - what does it take to shut down her business? I never had any desire to do business with her so I have nothing to pursue - but :mad:[/QUOTE]
One thing I have learned from reading this and other threads is that IF you are defrauded by a horse seller – it takes about $10,000 to recoup your “loss.” And when the horse is around that or of lesser value – it’s really hard to get restitution. The victim needs to pay to take legal action - and the horse or fraud is usually less than $10,000. One poster here explained being sold a horse that was in reality DEAD for $16,000. And said person did not have another $10,000 to higher legal help and make a claim (much less hoping to WIN! a case).
And CA courts are a MESS. It will takes BUCKETS and BUCKETS of money to get the legal help needed to settle all these “smallish” claims, and most of the individuals involved can’t spend the money - $10,000 is just getting yourself in the door, not settling. Lots of those involved live a long distance away. We haven’t even added that cost. There are numerous claims and complexity to the “case.”
The fundraising is the best hope of having the funds to support legal help for the many horses in danger (including care of course). Legal “representation” for the endangered horses is their best shot at getting out of the mess. Because JB and GFF as a business mired in bad debts and legal claims adds yet another layer. And for people who have unfulfilled contracts for GFF breeding, generous SOs have come forward and offered amazing stallions for breeding.
Many generous and savvy SOs and other equine professionals have banded together to make some lemonade and restore the public’s faith in equine professionals.
I think the intent is “first things first” and at the moment the welfare of the horses some of which are alleged to be in very poor condition is paramount. If that is indeed the case, then there will be a natural sequela that should result in her operation being halted, either because of a ban on horse ownership, prison time or something else.
One concern is that if the animals’ condition is confirmed in a court of law, it should ideally be ensured that the chances of her either getting them or other horses back should be blocked. This also has to include someone else taking custody of a horse on her behalf during this fiasco with the intent that it still be owned by her, but in a hidden manner. A major concern for this would be someone taking one or more of the stallions and standing them while claiming them as their own, merely as a protection for Jill,allowing her to regain them or at least continue have some involvement or income from them. Hard to believe that someone would do that given the circumstances, but there are some out there that might…! 
[QUOTE=3Dogs;6765494]
Yikes - after reading Vineyridge’s post and others, I am beginning to feel more disturbed, not less.
The auction is a wonderful thing - intended to help the Marin Humane Society (who have seized only two horses to date?) and to hopefully help those mare owners who more than likely have been stiffed or will be stiffed this coming year -( though, many of us love an auction of lovely stallions :)) - but is this valiant effort is not getting to root cause?
JB has not paid bills, has had suits filed, has had horses live in squalor, has hoarded mares, had lured folks with false advertising and cheap stallion fees, FOR YEARS - and is still in business? And folks still DO business with her? I don’t know which I dislike more - the former or the latter.
For all the sensible heads out there - what does it take to shut down her business? I never had any desire to do business with her so I have nothing to pursue - but :mad:[/QUOTE]
I would hope the former. I think in the beginning there were people trying to put warnings out that were rebuffed by prominent people on this board. Obviously over time the number of those that had issues were growing. Then you have the fact that not everyone reads COTH and people have had positive experiences with her. Knowing the horse world you cannot simply put faith in everything that is said so you may hang on the fence.
Even those (or most)who can’t stand JB have always said how well her horses were taken care of (way back in the thread) .
So now the situation is punctuated with horses that are seized. There is no debating that, there is no questioning someone’s agenda.
I am disappointed that people have chosen to write derrogatory remarks about others who have either bought a breeding or a foal from GFF when they have no idea what the circumstances were or if the person even knew all of the drama on COTH. Saw a post of FB where someone was advertising an inutero foal and the comment was to the effect that the foal was worth 1/2 the asking price because she’d never get papers. That just hurts the mare owner right? This person already has her GFF baby but she is “safe” because she jumped on the bandwagon earlier?
Anyway just food for thought. I am very happy that the situation is in the hands of the proper people who can get the horses the help they need and hold GFF accountable. Obviously having this running through the news can also let a greater population of people know what is going on so they dont get caught up in the mess.
Its easy to sit back and say no one should have ever done business with JB after __ __ ____ but things just don’t happen that way.
[QUOTE=3Dogs;6765494]
Yikes - after reading Vineyridge’s post and others, I am beginning to feel more disturbed, not less.
The auction is a wonderful thing - intended to help the Marin Humane Society (who have seized only two horses to date?) and to hopefully help those mare owners who more than likely have been stiffed or will be stiffed this coming year -( though, many of us love an auction of lovely stallions :)) - but is this valiant effort is not getting to root cause?
JB has not paid bills, has had suits filed, has had horses live in squalor, has hoarded mares, had lured folks with false advertising and cheap stallion fees, FOR YEARS - and is still in business? And folks still DO business with her? I don’t know which I dislike more - the former or the latter.
For all the sensible heads out there - what does it take to shut down her business? I never had any desire to do business with her so I have nothing to pursue - but :mad:[/QUOTE]
You really can’t shut someone’s business down, because you can’t force people to NOT do business with someone. About the only way she wouldn’t be able to do business is as Kathy says; never allowed to own horses again. However, not to be negative, but I think that is a very, very, very long shot. Hopefully animal welfare is much different in California, but in my experience it takes a very egregious situation to have ALL of your animals taken and to NEVER be allowed to own horses again. That is also hard to enforce and generally is only enforceable in the state in which you are convicted; so she could probably move somewhere and start all over again and yes, I have no doubts that people would continue to do business with her :(. I really, really hope that I am wrong on all accounts.
[QUOTE=Justa Bob;6765284]
Numerous news stories are now published on the web, etc. Here is a good article with donation link to Leg-Up, also names GFF and Redwine.
so far all links to news stories have been local community content (ie not real news services) pages. not saying that it wont hit elsewhere - but the links so far all were just pages that anyone can post to.
[QUOTE=Hillside H Ranch;6765562]
You really can’t shut someone’s business down, because you can’t force people to NOT do business with someone. About the only way she wouldn’t be able to do business is as Kathy says; never allowed to own horses again. However, not to be negative, but I think that is a very, very, very long shot. Hopefully animal welfare is much different in California, but in my experience it takes a very egregious situation to have ALL of your animals taken and to NEVER be allowed to own horses again. That is also hard to enforce and generally is only enforceable in the state in which you are convicted; so she could probably move somewhere and start all over again and yes, I have no doubts that people would continue to do business with her :(. I really, really hope that I am wrong on all accounts.[/QUOTE]
HHR - I know you are likely right but in my simple mind, what JB has run is a giant PYRAMID scheme - only it involves animals - which in my mind makes it more egregious than Bernie Madoff et al - they took in folks who believed a too good to be true return on investments - JB took in creatures that depend on care .
Anyway -thanks to all trying to help the horses, help those who got fleeced, and also to those trying to see what can be done in the “broader” sense.
