[QUOTE=COTHalter44;6766012]
She does not own a rig, but rather a few of her friends, including Grand Affair’s new “owner” and someone that hauls professionally (will divulge the name via PM), helped her move her entire herd.[/QUOTE]
How can any of them claim to be her friend and continue to pretend that there is nothing wrong. How can any of them claim to be horsemen or women and ignore and there by aid and abet her in the abuse of her animals.
[QUOTE=Lynnwood;6766073]
How can any of them claim to be her friend and continue to pretend that there is nothing wrong. How can any of them claim to be horsemen or women and ignore and there by aid and abet her in the abuse of her animals.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know. I just know what I was told. It disgusts me completely though.
If there is no septic system on the place, what is Jill doing with the human waste? Burying it on the property? Dumping it in a stream? Sounds like the health department should also be paying a visit.
Sounds logical that the people who helped truck the horses over probably got paid with a horse or two.
“How bad does it have to get before USEF will suspend, or revoke her membership ? Not saying they should do it now, just wondering what their threshold is.”
[QUOTE=sid;6765992]
Mardi… sadly, I don’t think they have one, so they can escape the ethics issues in horse training, riding, showing and breeding. It just ain’t there, obviously.
Clearly none of this should be “regulated”…but there should be a venue to turn in the bad guys so people like JB are not given accolades by these institutions that will continue to foster people like these.[/QUOTE]
What is revoking her USEF membership really going to do? I don’t think she has to have a current membership to be on the USEF leading hunter breeders list. Those points are contributed by the owners showing their young horses that are by her stallions…she doesn’t need a membership unless she is actively competing a horse herself. As far as IHF, I guess they could refuse to accept her annual stallion nominations, if she was actually going to pay them. But then the people who would actually be punished would be the owners of the young horses by her stallions that would then be ineligible to participate in those programs. Let’s be clear…I am in no way defending her - she owes me a substantial amount of money. I’m just trying to understand this train of thought, as it has been mentioned a few times now.
And as far as people trying to retrieve their mares, I would do the same if the mare was rightfully mine and I cared about her. And if I had to drive through her front gate with my truck, or use force to remove the mare from that scene then so be it. Sorry if that sounds unprofessional, but its the truth.
[QUOTE=Lynnwood;6766073]
How can any of them claim to be her friend and continue to pretend that there is nothing wrong. How can any of them claim to be horsemen or women and ignore and there by aid and abet her in the abuse of her animals.[/QUOTE]
I spent an hour on the phone with one of her “helpers” who went on and on about it and did nothing but defend her and make excuses for her. Where’s the vomit icon on here? :dead:
[QUOTE=Joanne;6766084]
Sounds logical that the people who helped truck the horses over probably got paid with a horse or two.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe Grande Affair’s foal (or GA herself) was a trade in that case?
[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6765663]
I know you posted a link to the parcel #, but any chance you have detailed directions for those people that might have been enroute to pick up their horses?[/QUOTE]
if you click on the “view in google maps” link on that page it will take you to where the place is and you can then google map from where you are to where it is. for reference, here is the location in google maps: http://maps.google.com/?q=38.2420374132133,-122.801109401039
Jumping back here after being gone for a while, not sure if this is old news, but just heard from a reliable source that the stallion siezed was Romantic Star. He is under 24 hour vet supervision. Supposedly a 1 to 2 on the body score. Now I just heard this, can’t definately confirm yet.
Can anyone confirm that Romantic Star was the injured stallion? I had heard he had a body score of 2?
[QUOTE=Maven;6765926]
There may be laws or ordinances, regarding shipping horses without a current Coggins Test on state owned roads. Need a vet for that. Did she have to use state roads to get from the old farm to the new farm? Plus, rabies vaccine is often required , depending on the county you live in. food for thought is all.[/QUOTE]
None of that is required within California, FWIW.
WOW how did my stallion’s name get mixed up in any article about Jill Burnells abuse, I am sooo upset,.
[QUOTE=MagicRoseFarm;6766220]
WOW how did my stallion’s name get mixed up in any article about Jill Burnells abuse, I am sooo upset,.[/QUOTE]
Probably because the USEF rankings for 2012 are a mess. It lists him as #1 hunter sire, but with only 67 points, that can’t be correct. That’s not a dig at your boy, just stating what the website is saying and likely where the newspaper got its info. I’d send them an email and ask them to correct it.
[QUOTE=NBFarm;6766088
What is revoking her USEF membership really going to do? I don’t think she has to have a current membership to be on the USEF leading hunter breeders list. Those points are contributed by the owners showing their young horses that are by her stallions…she doesn’t need a membership unless she is actively competing a horse herself. [/QUOTE]
From USEF Rankings pages, for Leading Hunter Breeding Breeder, Leading Hunter Breeding Owner, Leading Hunter Breeding Sire:
“In order to earn points, horses must be recorded with USEF and their owner must be a member.”
Granted in the first category the points are accrued by offspring, but does the farm/person who earns the title have to be a member ? It would be rather odd if the USEF leading breeder wasn’t required to be a member !
Clearly for Leading Owner and Leading Sire, membership is required.
However my reason for asking about revocation of membership was only to find out what USEF’s bottom line was. Every association has some criteria for behavior in order to retain membership.
Since USEF is the national governing body of equestrian sports (with horse welfare firmly in their sights) surely the JB/GFF situation has crossed the line at some point, whether horse neglect or illegal business practices.
Ok, I did not look at the USEF stuff… yes the USEF are a mess, one of the horses still has not had all the points switched from negative to positive and its been months… and several others are not even listed as contributors to the rankings at all…
LOL i miss alot in my bubble…
Anyway , it is very easily misunderstood the way the man wrote the article and i have tried to contact him several times, via all methods
[QUOTE=MagicRoseFarm;6766245]
Ok, I did not look at the USEF stuff… yes the USEF are a mess, one of the horses still has not had all the points switched from negative to positive and its been months… and several others are not even listed as contributors to the rankings at all…
LOL i miss alot in my bubble…
Anyway , it is very easily misunderstood the way the man wrote the article and i have tried to contact him several times, via all methods[/QUOTE]
this is why it is a bad idea for regular folks to try to act like reporters and for websites such as the “patch” websites to be used as real live reporting.
There are many errors in the report that also lists the above stallion …
sigh
She’s not a current member for 2013, though. If you do a Member Search on USEF, Jill Burnell listed as “Inactive.” I’m not sure that the USEF can actually sanction someone who isn’t a current member of their organization, no matter what they’ve done.
[QUOTE=DoubleTwistedWire;6766442]
She’s not a current member for 2013, though. If you do a Member Search on USEF, Jill Burnell listed as “Inactive.” I’m not sure that the USEF can actually sanction someone who isn’t a current member of their organization, no matter what they’ve done.[/QUOTE]
In the past USEF has suspended an individual for animal abuse BUT only after there has been a criminal conviction.
[QUOTE=Hillside H Ranch;6765686]
If she has unpaid vet bills it would be up to the veterinarian’s to collect on the bills. There are no laws that require you to have veterinary care for horses.[/QUOTE]
Not sure how it is in CA - but here in NJ to move a horse off your property you MUST have a current Coggins and the Coggins MUST indicate that the has has had an EWT shot within the past year or they cannot leave the property.
[QUOTE=ise@ssl;6766529]
Not sure how it is in CA - but here in NJ to move a horse off your property you MUST have a current Coggins and the Coggins MUST indicate that the has has had an EWT shot within the past year or they cannot leave the property.[/QUOTE]
Not a requirement in California
[QUOTE=DoubleTwistedWire;6766442]
If you do a Member Search on USEF, Jill Burnell listed as “Inactive.” I’m not sure that the USEF can actually sanction someone who isn’t a current member of their organization, no matter what they’ve done.[/QUOTE]
FWIW, USEF does sanction people whether or not they are active members. Some years back, I was working as a VOLUNTEER show secretary at a DSHB show, but was not a USEF member, and I was fined $1000 by USEF for not verifying there was a copy of a horse’s registration papers in the entry book before accepting the horse as a post-entry in an IBC. Didn’t matter that the horse’s owner brought in a copy of the papers before the show ended - which were accepted by the show manager and TD - the asshat woman whose horse got beat in that IBC by the post-entered horse filed a protest with USEF, and they ruled in her favor. Furthermore, I was threatened with arrest if I set foot on the grounds of a USEF show before paying the fine. :rolleyes:
Needless to say, I have very little respect for USEF (“little old ladies in skirts” is how one previous trainer referred to the organization). It does as it pleases - turns its head regarding abuse, drug violations, etc., etc., for favored BNTs or wealthy owners, but will nail the “little people” to the wall for the slightest infraction. So don’t expect much help from USEF in the JB/GFF case - she is making money for the organization (all those owners registering their horses with USEF), so they will turn a blind eye to her shenanigans.
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