Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[Mara]

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;6773248]
One other loose end that worries me. In one of the articles, when describing the wounds inflicted on Romantic Star due to a fight between 2 stallions, the word “brutal” was used. These are not surface wounds that can be cleaned up with Novalsan (sp) scrub. RS obviously has deep gashes requiring immediate medical treatment.

BUT, nothing has beeen said about the other stallion. In a fight, it is not reasonable to think that one horse has such horrible wounds that the Humane Society took him up to Davis, while the other stallion remains unscathed.

The other stallion’s wounds must not be as severe, but I am sure he must have incurred some marks/wounds. HOW is this stallion being treated when there is no quality water on the farm? He has obviously been left outside, in an enclsure, surrunded by electric wire, where he can roll in dirt and manure thereby infecting himself.

Do we knoiw anything about this second stallion? Do we even know who he is?[/QUOTE]

Are we even sure we ought to buy the “stallion fight” story? Those photos show a property that is an absolute horse-trap - entirely plausible that Romantic Star got himself entangled in one of those junk piles.

[Albion]

[QUOTE=daisycutter87;6773242]
A new up and coming horse business which is highly based off of horses from Jill’s[/QUOTE]

“Highly based off”? By what measure? I first became familiar with RSF a number of years ago (on these boards, actually) due to the lovely jumper stallion, Cielo B - and I fail to see a business model that is “highly based off of” horses from JB. I see a lot of imported stallions, stallions from the same breeder as Cielo, and/or older stallions with performance records.

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=Appsolute;6773256]

Roseville is a 125 miles from Jill’s. I would imagine that is a pretty hefty farm call fee![/QUOTE]
What does the farm call fee matter if you do not pay your bill?

[Kenike]

Lord Helpus, what I have heard is the other stallion was injured, but Romantic Star took the brunt.

I don’t know if anyone is actually saying Ronda is doing anything illegal; more that everyone is wondering if it really happened, if she knows she’s being named, and that nobody actually TRUSTS what Jill and her attorney claim.

[lauriep]

[QUOTE=Mara;6773275]
Are we even sure we ought to buy the “stallion fight” story? Those photos show a property that is an absolute horse-trap - entirely plausible that Romantic Star got himself entangled in one of those junk piles.[/QUOTE]
This. I haven’t bought that story from the get go.

[Home_Again_Farm]

Horsenut, surely, you know that JB was able to continue with her non-payment for services and goods and other misrepresentations for as long as she has because so many people tended to think that anyone raising an objection was doing so because of sour grapes, jealousy or a sense of competition. here’s a news item - stallion owners are entitled to opinions and to being outraged by what they see as injustices, just as much as mare owners, buyers and others who have witnessed this debacle. What is sad as that what began as failure to pay or to fulfill contracts has now descended into a different realm, where animals are suffering, not just pocketbooks.

[rosebudranch]

When I read about the sale of romantic star my first thought was … "Why did I - as a breeding contract holder to this stallion - not receive notification of said sale?

Fishy.

[rosebudranch]

When I read about the sale of romantic star my first thought was … "Why did I - as a breeding contract holder to this stallion - not receive notification of said sale?

Fishy.

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=Home Again Farm;6773285]
stallion owners are entitled to opinions and to being outraged by what they see as injustices, just as much as mare owners, buyers and others who have witnessed this debacle.[/QUOTE]
I think (my opinion) that stallion owners have even more right to be outraged because what she has been doing puts a cloud over the whole industry. Mare owners now have to really wonder if the stallion owner they are contacting does business like JB or are they more honest and have a clean lab, etc.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=TrueColours;6773253]
Oh Good Lord horsenut / Jill … the “jealous competing stallion owner” again

You need to start singing a new tune. This one defines who has made the post every single time … :rolleyes: … no matter WHAT the user name is …[/QUOTE]

Seriously True Colours?

[Twisted_River]

[QUOTE=TrueColours;6773253]
Oh Good Lord horsenut / Jill … the “jealous competing stallion owner” again

You need to start singing a new tune. This one defines who has made the post every single time … :rolleyes: … no matter WHAT the user name is …[/QUOTE] AGREE!!!

I haven’t been on COTH too long in the scheme of things, but long enough to have read hundreds (maybe thousands) of different posts. I am particularly interested in the Sport Horse Breeding threads. I NEVER read posts or threads in which users are bashing others’ stallions. Users try to guide others in their stallion choices and use first hand experience. Unless I’m seriously misreading the motives in people’s posts, I’ve never seen anyone doing the “jealous” bashing and hidden “agenda” that Jill’s suspected alters keep reiterating.

Does Jill really think her 1 farm and 4 stallions pose such a threat to the international breeding market? With frozen semen, horse breeders have access to millions of different stallions, does she think Stallion Owner A feels so threatened by Redwine they have to get her out of business. Stallion owners in Germany get hundreds of breedings with their stallions! If Stallion Owner A should feel threatened by anyone it would NOT be GFF! Even if Aloha gets 100 breedings this season, that’s probably .01% of the total North American breedings this year. (in the sake of fairness, I obviously made that % up and don’t know what it would actually be)

If any of the suspected alters are actually Jill, I have to say she is spectacularly and clinically narcissistic.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=trubandloki;6773309]
I think (my opinion) that stallion owners have even more right to be outraged because what she has been doing puts a cloud over the whole industry. Mare owners now have to really wonder if the stallion owner they are contacting does business like JB or are they more honest and have a clean lab, etc.[/QUOTE]

I agree wholeheartedly that stallion owners should be and are outraged, it really does make every mare owner do a little more research before doing business.

My point is that you have stallion owners now trying to insinuate that the woman who supposedly is/has purchased a stallion they were so concerned about, is not capable of handling the situation. Despite the fact that several reputable people have come on saying that she is quite capable. That says sour grapes more than concern for the stallions. And I keep thinking we are concerned for the stallions right?

[Toadie_s_mom]

What we need here is a double agent. Any of you ex FBI, MI5, CIA, SIS, Navy Seal, Barney Fife, anything?

[Bentley]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6773267]
This is not a particularly hospitable bunch here, so I can understand Ronda not wanting to post her business here. She has been a well respected breeder and stallion owner for a number of years. If RS is truly going to end up with her, it is a good thing. None of us know why she is doing what she is doing. Let it play out. There may be a reason.[/QUOTE]

This deserves being repeated.

[DMK]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6773267]
This is not a particularly hospitable bunch here, so I can understand Ronda not wanting to post her business here. She has been a well respected breeder and stallion owner for a number of years. If RS is truly going to end up with her, it is a good thing. None of us know why she is doing what she is doing. Let it play out. There may be a reason.[/QUOTE]

These are wise words you speak. All I can think about this mess is that if anyone wanted to do the right thing by any one of those animals, it appears no good deed will go unpunished.

As for the poster who said this:

I was just on Rising Star’s facebook page which is extremely active with lots of photos, high end Stallion ad’s, etc. A new up and coming horse business which is highly based off of horses from Jill’s

RS is hardly a new operation and I think the bloodlines being crafted in the broodmare band are less an influence of another breeder and far more appropriate to the stallions standing there and the promotion of solid jumper lines. Are you sure you are not confusing RS with Rising Phoenix?

[Twisted_River]

[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6773331]
My point is that you have stallion owners now trying to insinuate that the woman who supposedly is/has purchased a stallion they were so concerned about, is not capable of handling the situation. If anyone stated she’s wan incapable of handling the stallion, you really should post your reply quoting them. I don’t recall reading such statements Despite the fact that several reputable people have come on saying that she is quite capable. Yes, that is accurate, everyone praised her ability to care for the stallion. What people are questioning is the timing and motives of the possible sale. [/QUOTE] My response in bold

[FalseImpression]

I agree with confusing Rising Star (mostly stallions) and Rising Phoenix (mostly mares). The RIsing in both names could lead to confusion… I did it myself at first.

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=Twisted River;6773318]
AGREE!!!

I haven’t been on COTH too long in the scheme of things, but long enough to have read hundreds (maybe thousands) of different posts. I am particularly interested in the Sport Horse Breeding threads. I NEVER read posts or threads in which users are bashing others’ stallions. Users try to guide others in their stallion choices and use first hand experience. Unless I’m seriously misreading the motives in people’s posts, I’ve never seen anyone doing the “jealous” bashing and hidden “agenda” that Jill’s suspected alters keep reiterating.

Does Jill really think her 1 farm and 4 stallions pose such a threat to the international breeding market? With frozen semen, horse breeders have access to millions of different stallions, does she think Stallion Owner A feels so threatened by Redwine they have to get her out of business. Stallion owners in Germany get hundreds of breedings with their stallions! If Stallion Owner A should feel threatened by anyone it would NOT be GFF! Even if Aloha gets 100 breedings this season, that’s probably .01% of the total North American breedings this year. (in the sake of fairness, I obviously made that % up and don’t know what it would actually be)

If any of the suspected alters are actually Jill, I have to say she is spectacularly and clinically narcissistic.[/QUOTE]

ok swear last time I will say this. Twisted, I was referring to people who are already negatively trying to attack Rising Star saying they wouldn’t touch that stallion or she must be in cahoots with Jill, or she can’t handle a stallion that might have been exposed to an EVA stallion. All sorts of assumptions. Oh now she’s not speaking, must be rethinking, NO she’s silent because she is just a cover for Jill. Do you realize how silly all the speculation looks? Because as Laurie said if I were Ronda I would sure as he** not come on here and let you know what is going on because SOME would not see the truth if it bit them on the nose. I could say it’s sunny outside and somehow that would be me defending Jill. Geez.

[Jack16]

As DMK just said, I don’t think this is a case of sour grapes, it’s people confusing Rising Star Farm and Rising Pheonix Warmbloods. The supposed buyer is from Rising Star (http://www.risingstarfarm.net/). The person who bought a bunch of mares from JB is Rising Phoenix Warmbloods. They are located in Missouri.

[FalseImpression]

No they are in Missouri…https://www.facebook.com/RisingPhoenixWarmbloods