Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[216_Jumper]

[QUOTE=cyriz’s mom;6773432]
I am glad that the court has sided with MHS. Unbelievable how bad the “new” property looks in just a couple of months. I hope that there is some resolution before the mares start foaling.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I wonder where they will foal…I didn’t see a barn or foaling stalls. It appears the first foal is due 3/2/13. I also only saw 4 bales of hay in the photos for that many horses.

I looked at Rising Stars website…nice place! Romantic Star will finally be back in the kind of facility he should be in. I hope he gets through this ok, as well as all the other horses.

[dilligaff2]

I love how the tried and true crazies have jumped on Ronda at the mere hint that she might have purchased a stallion in trouble. A stallion that all of the hand wringers have said needs to be protected, a new home and a better life… If Ronda has stepped up and done that then GOOD FOR HER!!!

Also good for her in not getting involved in muck flinging that has happened here. SHE IS NOT a bad stallion owner or horder --just look at the beautiful condition her horses and farm are in, her wonderful reputation as a stallion owner/businesswoman and the care she takes in selecting horses for her program.

Laurie–I could not agree with your statement more.

[QUOTE=lauriep;6773267]
This is not a particularly hospitable bunch here, so I can understand Ronda not wanting to post her business here. She has been a well respected breeder and stallion owner for a number of years. If RS is truly going to end up with her, it is a good thing. None of us know why she is doing what she is doing. Let it play out. There may be a reason.[/QUOTE]

And as DMK pointed out to the super sleuths of CoTH–you should really learn the difference between Rising Phoenix and Rising Star Farm. So much crazy on one thread. :no:

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=Twisted River;6773467]
Okay, I’ll throw you a bone! I hate to throw isse under the bus as I find her posts intelligent and thoughtful. But I’m not sure where her comment about quarantine prior to shipping came from. All we know regarding Romantic Star is that he was sold to Rising Star prior to his seizure on the 27th. And, from Rising Star’s Facebook page in mid December they were anticipating a new stallion, but still had details to work out before it was final. We don’t know if the Facebook page was referencing Romantic Star or a someone else (and it’s none of our business). So it is unfair for anyone to assume that they already had shipping plans for him that did or did not include safety precautions and quarantines… Or did I miss some posts and we have more info? (ETA, okay, now we know more)

true colors and anyone else speculating and considering implications of a sale do not imply anything about a farm’s ability to care for a horse. Speculating and considering possibilities is the backbone of these threads. And for what it’s worth, all the publicity surrounding this, along with the excellent farm that Rising Star seems to be (I don’t personally know them), I think it will likely be good for business. You know the old saying, “there’s no such thing as bad publicity.”[/QUOTE]

thanks for the bone I will never believe that a SO speculating on another farm who is trying to get a stallion out of a bad situation is productive or reflects well on that SO. But, I have had enough people PM me to know that others feel that way so I won’t mention that again.

sorry but I do think the “there’s no such thing as bad publicity” does not always apply in the horse world as I don’t think JB’s business is growing from this?

but again, appreciate the bone

[Cloverbarley]

Well I for one am very pleased that Romantic Star will be heading off to Ronda’s farm in Georgia once he’s recovered. There he will have the proper care and attention he has been lacking in recent years. He’s a beautiful stallion and I’ve only ever heard good reports of him which is why I bred him to two of my mares a couple of years ago. I have never regretted for a moment breeding to Romantic Star as both youngsters are truly lovely and have the most delightful temperaments. Romantic Star will make his come-back at Ronda’s, of that I’m sure

[Freebird]

[QUOTE=Cloverbarley;6773509]
Well I for one am very pleased that Romantic Star will be heading off to Ronda’s farm in Georgia once he’s recovered. There he will have the proper care and attention he has been lacking in recent years. He’s a beautiful stallion and I’ve only ever heard good reports of him which is why I bred him to two of my mares a couple of years ago. I have never regretted for a moment breeding to Romantic Star as both youngsters are truly lovely and have the most delightful temperaments. Romantic Star will make his come-back at Ronda’s, of that I’m sure :)[/QUOTE]

Agreed! I’ve actually never met Rhonda, even though she is my Great Aunt by marriage. I do know that her horses all get the best of care. and she truly loves each and every one of them.

[Twisted_River]

[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6773498]
sorry but I do think the “there’s no such thing as bad publicity” does not always apply in the horse world as I don’t think JB’s business is growing from this?[/QUOTE] Okay: “no such thing as bad publicity” if you have the quality and product that you claim to have.

All this publicity is sending people to GFF’s website, articles, and facebook. If she had the beautiful facility and high standards of care that Rising Star appears to have (again, I don’t personally know the farm, going off other people’s testimony) then this would be good publicity. But of course, if that was the case, then none of these articles, etc. would be out there in the first place.

It will be good for Rising Star Farm. Her website and facebook are going to be flooded with thousands of hits. If she runs the operation people say she does, then she will gain clientele.

[daisycutter87]

im just glad hes going to be out of Jill’s “care”. I think we can all be thankful for that

[DownYonder]

FWIW, Ronda / Rising Star Farm indicated on her SSA donation forms that her stallions are tested negative for EVA and vaccinated annually, which indicates to me that she is NOT unfamiliar with the disease and well aware of the need to take appropriate preventive measures.

And I, too, am glad RS will be out of the JillB/GFF dump. If only the same could be said for the other horses.

[minnie]

Just curious…with all the wellbred healthy, talented stallions available throughout the country, why would anyone breed to a stallion eva positive?

[ise]

Twisted River - consider the following. Most responsible Stallion owners and Stallions Stations require that stallions are vaccinated yearly for EVA. I had Popeye test in Germany before importation - he was negative and he has been vaccinated yearly since he started standing at stud. The EVA vaccine is a LIVE vaccine so specific protocol has to be followed specifically with respect the 30 days post vaccination.
Given the fact that Redwine is EVA pos and sheds in his semen other protocol applies to when the semen is collected, prepared and shipped. Information is available on the internet about this. Specifically EQUIPMENT used on that stallion should be completely seperate from that used on other stallions. The photos of Jill’s “lab” at her last farm and ones of this farm are not what I would ever accept for semen that I would want for my mares.
I also have sat down and calculated what it costs us per mare and foal and horses and ponies yearlings and older per year and it is a rather significant amount of money. Throw in Coggins, trims, teeth, worming, etc. and the number grows. We feed the best feed and buy high quality have and do have pasture turn out for all of ours on the farm.
Applying those same costs per horse/pony to the numbers that GFF has been stating 30-35 per year - and the cost is easy to calculate. The photos of her last farm and this setup is, IMHO unacceptable and clearly shows that lack of funds may be an issue. In that regard, it would not be un-reasonable to expect that horses/ponies may not have received proper innoculations, food, worming, etc. This is not piling on or attempting to affect anyone’s breeding business - it’s just comparing the existing conditions with what is acceptable for the industry and coming to the conclusion that the horses/ponies are being short changed and buyers should consider that.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=minnie;6773621]
Just curious…with all the wellbred healthy, talented stallions available throughout the country, why would anyone breed to a stallion eva positive?[/QUOTE]

Because he is black and blingy, which is all the rage in the hunter breeding world these days. And because Jill has in the past blown off concerns by mare owners - many of whom are novice enough to not know about or understand the disease. (Not to mention she has even gone so far as to tell some of them they didn’t need to worry about vaccinating their mares, as they would be “naturally vaccinated” against EVA by breeding to Redwine.)

[SGray]

if Redwine and Aloha were imported in '09 as indicated here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grayfoxfarm/page7/ – this whole decline was quite rapid

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773636]
Because he is black and blingy, which is all the rage in the hunter breeding world these days. QUOTE]

So for someone who once told me no one was bashing stallions, this is what I was referring to. He is a talented boy and many many have come on here to say that besides me.

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6773648]

@DownYonder;6773636

Because he is black and blingy, which is all the rage in the hunter breeding world these days.

So for someone who once told me no one was bashing stallions, this is what I was referring to. He is a talented boy and many many have come on here to say that besides me.[/QUOTE]

Unbunch your panties. Geez.
How is saying he is black and blingy and it is all the rage bashing anyone?
It is a fact. Horse is black and blingy and it is all the rage.

[skydy]

So glad that Romantic Star will have a great home when he recovers.
This must be a nightmare for Rising Star farm, to have him injured before she could get him out of there.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=horsenut93136;6773648]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6773636]Because he is black and blingy, which is all the rage in the hunter breeding world these days. QUOTE]

So for someone who once told me no one was bashing stallions, this is what I was referring to. He is a talented boy and many many have come on here to say that besides me.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I guess it would depend on what one’s definition of “talented” is. I know folks who think he is the bee’s knees for siring line horses, or low-level hunters (3 ft or under), but also know other folks who think he is seriously lacking in scope and ability for upper level hunters. If that is “bashing”, so be it…

[horsenut93136]

[QUOTE=trubandloki;6773653]
Unbunch your panties. Geez.
How is saying he is black and blingy and it is all the rage bashing anyone?
It is a fact. Horse is black and blingy and it is all the rage.[/QUOTE]

Geez back at you. Yes I forgot the other part of that to put it in context “why would anyone breed to RW” so yes that is a negative response unless you added to it “and also has done well in the hunter ring” or something of that sort.

It’s insulting to people that have bred to RW because I’m pretty sure the people on this board who used him did not do it simply because they wanted black and blingy, unless you want to call them all stupid.

[Du_Hast]

Holy crap this thread is long, the info gets lost… need an update or a ‘cap’ page every so often. What happened to Equine DRiver? Where is Redwine?

So glad Romantic Star is landing with Ronda.

[JWB]

I said it earlier and I’ll say it again. I don’t really care how Romantic Star ended up at Ronda’s. I think it will be a fantastic place for him. Her facility is beautiful and her horses are very well cared for. As a stallion owner, she is professional, organized and easy to talk to. She’s been on the board of a few registries and was helpful as a representative of those too. If you enter into a contract with her, you can know she’s going to try her hardest to honor it.

I think Romantic Star will flourish there and I’m thrilled to see him going to a program where people won’t be scared off by the creepy stallion owner.

I do hope she’ll get separate legal counsel, if it turns out that she needs it. Never occoured to me that people were getting confused between Rising Star and Rising Phoenix, but when I started hearing people throwing all those allegations out there, I was scratching my head because I’ve always thought very highly of Ronda and RSF, and she’s very well respected around here (Jill, not so much!) The case of mistaken identity makes a lot more sense.

[Kenike]

I also fail to see how saying a horse (stallion) is black, blingy, and that that’s all the rage in the hunter breeding ring is a disparaging or bashing remark. Mare owners breed to him to capitalize on that bling in order to have a better chance (hopefully) in the line classes. Nothing wrong there.

I wholly remember the EVA discussion where it was said not to worry because the mares would then have natural immunity. THAT is where the issue comes in.