Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[starboard]

[QUOTE=Molly99;6778472]
This!!!

By a quick count the auction bids are over 10k for THREE horses that were seized due to body score! Plus whatever was donated directly! That is an amazing response.

![/QUOTE]
Blingy foals and retired show mares are much more worthy of charity

Do people think these horses are getting seized? I’d be shocked if it happened.

Soooo, when the very first viable, breedable broodmare ends up in someones program, ya’ll are going to tear them apart too, right?

Wow, they’ve surpassed 10K for two mares? Ronda’s on the financial hook for the stallion more than likely. That’s a hell of a lot of money spent in a week.

[COTHalter44]

[QUOTE=3Dogs;6778352]
I THINK the point is that if a purchase done before the seizure, it put money into the hands of Jill. I THINK that many of us would like to not see one penny go to JILL as those pennies don’t and have not guaranteed care of the horses, payment of past due bills for vet services or feed. I THINK that is the point .[/QUOTE]

Basically. By “under the table” I meant the silent support of JB for years, not literally an under the table deal. It was going to be made public after he’d shipped anyway.

I said early on I would give my contact info to those that asked privately and I have. I don’t really see any reason to publish that for the world to see. MHS has my account of what I witnessed the day I was at her old farm.

I have donated directly to Marin once already, but will do so again as finances allow.

[FalseImpression]

[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;6778502]
Just so that everyone is aware, we have been advised by the Marin Humane Society that their expenses with regards to this seizure already exceed the bids placed on the auction to date.[/QUOTE]

From your response, it does not seem they are appreciative of the help though… Are they assuming the auction would cover all the expenses? Sorry, maybe it’s the way you presented it, but it does not sit very well with me. I did donate directly to them FYI. I have a hard time believing that much for 4 animals, but … one at Davis would probably create a big bill (that his owner should pay eventually, whomever that is!)

[candico]

Is there any way we can try and create a list of which mares she actually has in her possession?

[nycjumper]

So the humane society gave details of their expenses to an outsider in an ongoing investigation. That seems…odd.

And 3 horses, 1 week = 10K? Clearly I need to up the board charges here. Especially since unfortunately, Rising Star Farm will probably be on the hook for Romantic Star’s expenses (truly no good deed goes unpunished). So 10K for…2 mares in 1 week?

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=FalseImpression;6778526]
From your response, it does not seem they are appreciative of the help though… Are they assuming the auction would cover all the expenses? Sorry, maybe it’s the way you presented it, but it does not sit very well with me. I did donate directly to them FYI. I have a hard time believing that much for 4 animals, but … one at Davis would probably create a big bill (that his owner should pay eventually, whomever that is!)[/Quote]

On the contrary, the Marin County Humane Society has been overwhelmed and impressed with the outpouring of support by those within our industry. I am not willing, however, to speculate on everything else that has made this one hot mess. I’ll wait for the appropriate parties to disclose the accurate information as it becomes available.

[BaroquePony]

Well, repairing the broken jaw on the stallion might take up a large portion of the 10K. Maybe. Just specualting (it’s a free country).

[nycjumper]

Except as was pointed out, the SO will wind up on the hook most probably for treatment of RS. So 10K on treating 2 mares? Who didn’t colic. That is more interesting than the HS releasing their expenses to an outsider…

[Lynnwood]

Wow in all my life I have never seen more nastiness and ill behavior slung back and forth.

From a few of the posts Is it to be understood that this thread with 182 pages and the dozen or so others threads linked to issues with the care , custody and financial ill repute of Jill Burnell are just speculations being slung around so that “jealous” breeders can get their mits on her horses?

Get a day job Nancy Drew.

[vineyridge]

Don’t forget lawyers to defend against the petition for mandamus and otherwise work the seizures. There is also an Administrative Law Judge involved and they don’t come free.

[QUOTE=BaroquePony;6778563]
Well, repairing the broken jaw on the stallion might take up a large portion of the 10K. Maybe. Just specualting (it’s a free country).[/QUOTE]

[currycomb321]

[QUOTE=nycjumper;6778568]
Except as was pointed out, the SO will wind up on the hook most probably for treatment of RS. So 10K on treating 2 mares? Who didn’t colic. That is more interesting than the HS releasing their expenses to an outsider…[/QUOTE]

I have to agree - why is the MCHS giving information to an uninvolved party? Being a donor doesn’t entitle you to private financial information. If that is public knowledge, I’d like to see the breakdown of costs because - since RS belongs to RSF and they are paying the bills - how the heck could this seizure have cost over 10k? In a few days? No way.

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=nycjumper;6778568]
Except as was pointed out, the SO will wind up on the hook most probably for treatment of RS. So 10K on treating 2 mares? Who didn’t colic. That is more interesting than the HS releasing their expenses to an outsider…[/QUOTE]

There were 3 mares taken from her one with the stallion and two more on an additional date. Since we do not know the condition of those mares or what specialized care they might have needed it is entirely within the realm of possibilities that they have soaked up the raised funds.

We also do NOT know anything about the RS / JB sale. Perhaps until investigations clear that the horse is indeed Rhonda’s and there are no liens or judgement that would muddy the sale the MHS is who is footing the bill.

[BaroquePony]

It was my understanding that the stallion with the broken jaw was seized by AC, so AC is most likely going to have to pay the broken jaw bill and then wait until this plays out in court.

[currycomb321]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;6778578]
Don’t forget lawyers to defend against the petition for mandamus and otherwise work the seizures. There is also an Administrative Law Judge involved and they don’t come free.[/QUOTE]

Lawyers for these agencies frequently do things probono or at significant discount. Can’t comment on the judge.

If the MCHS wants to release the information that it has cost them over 10k in 4? days, they should probably give people a breakdown so they know where their donations are going. Or they should stop making comments to people on the interwebs who are not involved in the rescue/monitoring of these horses. And who stand to benefit as well.

[Jos]

[QUOTE=FalseImpression;6778526]
From your response, it does not seem they are appreciative of the help though… Are they assuming the auction would cover all the expenses? Sorry, maybe it’s the way you presented it, but it does not sit very well with me. I did donate directly to them FYI. I have a hard time believing that much for 4 animals, but … one at Davis would probably create a big bill (that his owner should pay eventually, whomever that is!)[/QUOTE]

I very rarely post on CotH as I consider that it is a pretty unpleasant place to be. Posts like that above; those of ponyponyponi and the ensuing spiels; the various “conspiracy theorist” posts that are now appearing; and a variety of other posts seen on this thread are good examples of why I consider it to be unpleasant.

Of course the Marin Humane Society have been very grateful for donations raised through the auction and through direct donations! Any suggestion to the contrary by anyone is petty and should be an embarrassment to the person suggesting otherwise if they think about what they have said! While I can only relay what MHS have said about the donations received (or projected to receive) through the auction and direct donations not covering the medical, rehabilitation and other expenses at the time of the discussion, I can safely say that I would highly doubt that they have any expectation that “the auction would cover all the expenses” - you astound me by even suggesting that might be their belief - nor have they intimated such. Humane Societies do not operate based upon expectation of income. They do what they can when it’s needed.

The animals are the ones that are in need of attention here, not the various human beings that seem to be attempting to gain more attention. Please everyone, do what you can for the animals in whatever way you wish, and ignore the rest!

[COTHalter44]

RS is currently still at Davis I presume. They pretty well want at least $2500 depending on the nature of the injury/illness as soon as you walk in the door. A few days/week there can easily add up to $10k or more alone. RS has been there roughly 2+ weeks. His treatment alone is probably close to that if not more I’d guess.

[3Dogs]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6778498]
Look. Let me be VERY CLEAR HERE. You don’t know what you are talking about (as usual). DO NOT respond to anything I say. I DO NOT want to have any engagement with you. Period.[/QUOTE]

Well bless your soul:) Fine - sorry to know facts Laurie. Irritating I know - I am not responding to YOU okay - responding to bullcracky -

[rosebudranch]

All I can say is that I was very glad to be following this thread so I was brought to attention the amazing SOs and people who offered services to those wronged by JB, but at this point, I check every other day - to see if anything worth noting has been released - and no… sadly… more bickering. I’m disgusted.

[RedMare01]

All of this petty back and forth is pointless and is going to get this thread locked sooner rather than later. Can we just focus on the auction and leave everything else?

[Callmeacab]

[QUOTE=FalseImpression;6778526]
From your response, it does not seem they are appreciative of the help though… Are they assuming the auction would cover all the expenses? Sorry, maybe it’s the way you presented it, but it does not sit very well with me. I did donate directly to them FYI. I have a hard time believing that much for 4 animals, but … one at Davis would probably create a big bill (that his owner should pay eventually, whomever that is!)[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding? First of all, I read that three went to Davis. One week at Davis, plus surgery (and we don’t know how complicated it was to repair the jaw, it could have been shattered for all we know) is an easy $8-12,000, and that’s just for the stallion. We’re now past the one week mark, going on two weeks. Just supportive care can be $5,000 a week, per horse. Those horses aren’t still at Davis, because of the weather, folks, they’d have been released back to the MHS, if they were stable enough to leave.
So many cynics out there. My impression is that most of you haven’t a clue what emergency costs run, either because you’ve been lucky enough to have never had something bad happen, you’re too cheap to pay for it or are of the mind to get rid of the horse or put it down, or you just trade up to a healthier horse and turn a blind eye to the past one and what happens to it.
You cynics disgust me.