I’ll throw one more tidbit out there and be done. I find it hard to fathom that the LEAGAL owner (that is if they can prove it) of RS cannot find out any information on the horse. If I had purchased him I’d be like white on rice, probably getting on a plane with papers in hand and show up at the clinic.
[QUOTE=Laurierace;6779656]
I know someone who bought a horse at a sale, it walked out of the ring where they took the bids, flipped over and fractured it’s skull. They now owned a dead horse.[/QUOTE]
Yep, plenty of claimed horses never made back to the barn for their new owner. Rules are changing in some jurisdictions, but generally speaking if money has changed hands, or paper work has been signed, the new owner is responsible for expenses.
RE: this statement…
"3. She doesn’t do the above in X time frame and MHS seizes all the horses, sells them … eventually and any money in excess of what they are owed for care and management is returned to Jill.
"
Pertaining to the people that have judgements against her for money owed would the “excess” not be used to pay those judgements?
I have no idea how that all works but was just curious.
[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;6779702]
I’ll throw one more tidbit out there and be done. I find it hard to fathom that the LEAGAL owner (that is if they can prove it) of RS cannot find out any information on the horse. If I had purchased him I’d be like white on rice, probably getting on a plane with papers in hand and show up at the clinic.[/QUOTE]
Darn her for not being able to schedule her life in a manner that you seem to think shows she is doing the right thing.
She has hired a lawyer who I assume is in CA to handle it. To me that would make far much more sense than jumping on a plain and making a scene at MHS.
[QUOTE=CDE Driver;6779716]
RE: this statement…
"3. She doesn’t do the above in X time frame and MHS seizes all the horses, sells them … eventually and any money in excess of what they are owed for care and management is returned to Jill.
"
Pertaining to the people that have judgements against her for money owed would the “excess” not be used to pay those judgements?
I have no idea how that all works but was just curious.[/QUOTE]
Yes, just as if she sold the horses, but it’s not the MHS’ job (or legal right) to pay that money to the creditors. Unless there is a bankruptcy in play, I believe it is JB who is obligated to pay her creditors (probably the best thing for this whole mess and everyone involved would be a bankruptcy filing/trustee management).
Can you PLEASE just accept that you don’t know the circumstances and STOP speculating? You are just talking to hear yourselves talk. It changes nothing and is putting out there as fact things that aren’t even pertinent to the case! The people ACTUALLY INVOLVED may or may not post the truth as things evolve. But that is THEIR CHOICE!
As far as judgements go, a simple judgement for a specified amount does nothing for the holder of the judgement. A judge then has to rule how, or if, you go about collecting ( wage garnishment, seizure of assets, etc.). It doesn’t happen automatically and I haven’t seen anyone who holds a judgement state that they have access to any of the GFF holdings. That is why it is SO important that everyone who is owed by her at least get a judgement against her. If/when the horses and property are seized, there needs to be a piece of paper saying you are entitled to some of it. Otherwise, it will all be dispersed with no regard for money owed.
[QUOTE=lauriep;6779758]
As far as judgement s go, a simple judgement for a specified amount does nothing for the holder of the judgement. A judge then has to rule how, or if, you go about collecting ( wage garnishment, seizure of assets, etc.). It doesn’t happen automatically and I haven’t seen anyone who holds a judgement state that they have access to any of the GFF holdings. That is why it is SO important that everyone who is owed by her at least get a judgement against her. If/when the horses and property are seized, there needs to be a piece of paper saying you are entitled to some of it. Otherwise, it will all be dispersed with no regard for money owed.[/QUOTE]
This
LaurieP, I get your point but please stop yelling at people.
This case is a big deal to the horse world in general. Why is it so wrong that people want to discuss it? Of course we lack facts. Lacking facts does not stop any thread from happening. Because you know facts and want to stomp around and say no one else is allowed to discuss it is not helping.
[QUOTE=trubandloki;6779732]
Darn her for not being able to schedule her life in a manner that you seem to think shows she is doing the right thing.
She has hired a lawyer who I assume is in CA to handle it. To me that would make far much more sense than jumping on a plain and making a scene at MHS.[/QUOTE]
He’s been there for 2 weeks now, and yes, we know about her “lawyer”. More than adequate time to find out how the horse is. If she cannot update fine, maybe she should change her FB message then.
I’m not questioning if she is doing the right thing, my point was that I’m not sure if I believe that money has actually changed hands. Only saying what I would do if I was the legal owner of that horse. Jeesh.
[QUOTE=Molly99;6778472]
This!!!
By a quick count the auction bids are over 10k for THREE horses that were seized due to body score! Plus whatever was donated directly! That is an amazing response.
I just hope hope many of you have also donated towards the MANY other horses that have been seized from much worse situations! Think what that amount of money could do for those 30+ horses.
I know where I have chosen to send my money![/QUOTE]
I disagree, as someone completely outside the sport horse breeding world I think it is refreshing to see them take care of their own! From my own work in rescue I know a group NEVER gets as much in donations as it spends on seizures… and I am amazed that the community has responded so well and so quickly.
As this case drags on and on and on and the mares foal etc… any that DO go to auction will have had their return to health paid for by folks who may or may not ever get one dime but who are repaid in the simple fact that it helps HORSES.
Anyone doing this much work for the possibility that they might get a chance to maybe bid at an auction that may or may not occur as a straight up bidding event… is playing really bad odds.
Also, those on the East Coast who could foster but are too far away, check in on those Morgans! I’m sure help is going to be needed there and sounds like more well-bred, pregnant mares and unhandled youngsters that could use a hand up.
I’m going to go bid on the horseshoe in the auction now, since I don’t think I could use a stallion breeding on my parrots! LOL
ETA:
Ooooh, parrot books!!
Auction Updates
Auction Items Closing This Evening, Mon Jan 14 2013:
[SUP](Note that auction closes at time indicated or 5 minutes after last bid)
[/SUP]
21:10:00 EST 1 Brand new, custom made 16.5" “Apache” Black Leather Browband by Jayne Schneiderhan of HPF Designs
21:25:00 EST 1 Breeding to the Hanoverian Stallion, Cabalito
21:40:00 EST 1 Breeding to the Cremello Thoroughbred Stallion, Guaranteed Gold
21:55:00 EST 1 Breeding to winner’s choice of any stallion of Rainbow Equus Meadows
22:10:00 EST 1 breeding fresh or frozen to American Trakehner Association stallion, Tatendrang
Items We Have Added Today
1 Collegiate Saddle
1 Autographed copy of “Unbridled injustice” book
8 uses for 3 horses at an Indoor Arena in NOVA
1 Book: “Australian Parrots”
1 Book: “Eclectus Parrots”
Tally to Date/Time of Posting
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[td]Date[/td]
[td]Total
Winning
Bids[/td]
[td]Payments Received to Date
[SUP](Google Checkout, PayPal or other payment commissions not deducted)[/SUP][/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]January 10, 2013[/td]
[td]$2,119.00[/td]
[td]$970[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]January 11, 2013[/td]
[td]$1,775.00[/td]
[td]$240[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]January 12, 2013[/td]
[td]$1,805.00[/td]
[td]$240[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]January 13, 2013[/td]
[td]$1,755.00[/td]
[td]$890[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]TOTALS:[/td]
[td]$7,454.00[/td]
[td]$2,340[/td]
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Trub, that would be lovely if said discussion wasn’t also trashing a good person and her business. People read the speculation as fact, further disseminating bad information. How does that help anyone? There is plenty to discuss of Jill’s sins and the wonderful things like the auction and the stallion owners stepping up. It also allows the people with agendas to pursue them.
[QUOTE=Chester’s Mom;6779798]
… I’m going to go bid on the horseshoe in the auction now, since I don’t think I could use a stallion breeding on my parrots! LOL
ETA:
Ooooh, parrot books!![/QUOTE]
This made me smile. Thank you for that.
Thanks for the auction updates - I just made 2 bids!
[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;6779702]
I’ll throw one more tidbit out there and be done. I find it hard to fathom that the LEAGAL owner (that is if they can prove it) of RS cannot find out any information on the horse. If I had purchased him I’d be like white on rice, probably getting on a plane with papers in hand and show up at the clinic.[/QUOTE]
Wow this thread has gotten off track and nasty. I logged on today to see if there were any VALID updates and it’s been endless pages of bashing etc.
Where is it documented that the legal owner can’t find any info? And honestly, at this point, who would want to share it here? Is anyone taking into consideration that the new owner of RS is beyond stressed out over this too? Why keep dragging anyone you can into this bashing. Let’s move FORWARD and await what public facts come out. Everything else is heresay and drama.
I’m glad to see the auction is helping. The best thing for ANY of those horses is to land safely in new homes. With such a saturated horse market as it is and people on really tight budgets, finding homes willing to take them should be the main thing here, not who else can be thrown under the bus.
And no, I don’t personally know JB or Rhonda, but am concerned for the horses. Isn’t that why we’re all supposed to be here? 
[QUOTE=216 Jumper;6779980]
Wow this thread has gotten off track and nasty. I logged on today to see if there were any VALID updates and it’s been endless pages of bashing etc.
Where is it documented that the legal owner can’t find any info? And honestly, at this point, who would want to share it here? Is anyone taking into consideration that the new owner of RS is beyond stressed out over this too? Why keep dragging anyone you can into this bashing. Let’s move FORWARD and await what public facts come out. Everything else is heresay and drama.
I’m glad to see the auction is helping. The best thing for ANY of those horses is to land safely in new homes. With such a saturated horse market as it is and people on really tight budgets, finding homes willing to take them should be the main thing here, not who else can be thrown under the bus.
And no, I don’t personally know JB or Rhonda, but am concerned for the horses. Isn’t that why we’re all supposed to be here? [/QUOTE]
The supposed owner says it right on her FB page, and I believe it is also in the articles that were posted earlier. I have zero dog in this fight, I do not own a Stallion, but have been heavily involved in breeding and selling horses (some high dollar) for years.
I havent bashed, just merely speculated on what my practices (and professionals that I have dealt with ) would do if a similiar situation were to arise. I for one will be relieved to see all of these stallions, mares and foals go into competant hands sooner than later.
[QUOTE=trubandloki;6779611]
People buy horses sight unseen all the time. Why is a stallion owner now required to do a hands on visual inspection to be a reputable buyer? This is not an unknown creature. It is a stallion with a history.[/QUOTE]
I agree that people buy horses sight unseen all the time, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Up to the person doing the buying. However, in this situation to buy sight unseen? When there have been pictures of her “facility” posted for months, reports of her not allowing vets and shippers on the property, dead foals, lawsuits, misrepresentation, investigation by the humane society, and many, many reports from buyers of their mares and foals arriving sick/unthrifty/thin/wormy/without papers/etc, etc, etc? No way in he!! would I ever buy something from that situation without me (or an agent I paid on my behalf) laying hands, eyes, vet, and camera on said animal and verifying that what I was buying was what I thought I was buying.
And I’m in no way saying that RSF did not do this. I have no idea. I certainly hope she did, and she seems like a smart businesswoman. But as to the above quote, I think you’d have to be a fool to buy even one of those bicycles sight unseen from this situation.
Awesome! 
Is there any update on the horses? Are the 3 still at UC Davis? Any more removed from the property?
Does anyone know the date when the $5000/day fine starts (if the property is not brought up to code)?
Well…I won the Browband!! Who-hoo!
Won’t it look pretty on my bay horse?
Gorgeous… I was vying over that also for a black horse. Faboo…congrats.
