Very disturbing everyone… There are 3 mares who were also seized does anyone remember that??? You are going to go after the Humane Society and Leg Up? Really??
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Very disturbing everyone… There are 3 mares who were also seized does anyone remember that??? You are going to go after the Humane Society and Leg Up? Really??[/QUOTE]
Sad how quickly this thread devolves into attack anything that moves mode.
All this attack and speculation detracts from the purpose of the thread: posting facts. The case is way more complicated than some of the few “facts” being tossed around.
And this is playing out - the investigation and legal case is slowly unfolding. But apparently not fast enough so that the TMZ factor aka manufacture some drama starts getting active.
In addition to the above if you look at ratemyhorsepro.com where all the court documents are, you will see that JB requested “HER” horses be returned ( the first 2 seized RS and a mare) which was denied by the judge. The worst part is JB has done nothing to request the return of the other 2 mares, NICE… Then they have a person on the other side of the country they use to try and get RS back. What about the mare??? I sure hope RS horse has a new owner waiting for him, I opt to think that the new owner has fallen victim to JB like everyone else. None of this makes sense…
I guess next time there is another situation (and there will be), some people will just be happy to sit back and watch and nobody will do anything to help… I can think of some people to thank for that!
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!!
Keep the focus on the real culprits… unless of course, it’s your friend!
i am just curious: if an auction is held (by a non profit ) with a stated purpose for the funds raised - legally does the money have to go to the stated purpose?
and if the stated purpose is changed part way thru the auction…what does that do to the legality if anything?
it’s an interesting question.
i am not sure yet what to make of “this” whole thing… as someone watching from the outside it seems to me that there is a lot more going on here than it appears…
in the end i hope all the horses end up happy healthy and in caring homes.
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i am just curious: if an auction is held (by a non profit ) with a stated purpose for the funds raised - legally does the money have to go to the stated purpose?
and if the stated purpose is changed part way thru the auction…what does that do to the legality if anything?
it’s an interesting question.
i am not sure yet what to make of “this” whole thing… as someone watching from the outside it seems to me that there is a lot more going on here than it appears…
in the end i hope all the horses end up happy healthy and in caring homes.[/QUOTE]
You should ask your lawyer
I would like to say Thank You Very much to:
Leg Up donators and its founders, Daventry Equestrian, the MHS officers and to all the hard working lawyers for MHS that are working their butts off to bring justice in such an incredibly difficult, most scheming, fraud filled, deceptive, cruel case one can imagine. The details are confusing, the facts are confusing…I get it. The truth behind this evil case will come to light. Be very careful as to what to believe, who to believe…a giant smoke screen and web of lies has been constructed to manipulate the truth. Thanks to all of you who love the horse that isn’t even yours. They will prevail! JB will go down. RS…if you read this…be very very very careful as to what you think is truth. You are an intelligent woman, a good horse woman. The stallion you covets future depends on you to open your eyes and start asking questions. You know who to call… I did, and wow, you need the truth. 
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You should ask your lawyer[/QUOTE]
i would imagine that kind of question would need to be answered by a specialty lawyer?
in any case, those of us standing on the outside will never really know what happened/is happening/etc.
i do hope as this whole humane society thing plays out, that those that were allegedly ripped off have either banded together or on their own found legal help.
my gut feeling is that that is the path to justice.
The report on Facebook doesn’t just show multiple lacerations, one eye swollen shut, and a completely swollen face. It also shows a body score of 3 and highly abnormal blood counts. If you read page 15 of the report, for instance, it says: “there were changes in body chemistry due to anorexia and muscle damage.” That wasn’t caused by a stallion fight. It’s a perverse world, indeed, where people believe one should be allowed to mistreat an animal and then sell it with impunity after the humane society seizes it :eek:
As to the defamatory comments about the Leg Up auction, that’s just proof that no good deed goes unpunished 
The comments on the Rising Star Farm page as to why she is using JB’s attorney are a bit bizarre.
The report on Facebook doesn’t just show multiple lacerations, one eye swollen shut, and a completely swollen face. It also shows a body score of 3 and abnormal blood counts. If you read page 15 of the report, for instance, it says: “there were changes in body chemistry due to anorexia and muscle damage.” That wasn’t caused by a stallion fight. It’s a perverse world, indeed, where people believe one should be allowed to mistreat an animal and then sell it with impunity after the humane society seizes it :eek:
As to the defamatory comments about the Leg Up auction, that’s just proof that no good deed goes unpunished
The stallion was sold BEFORE he was seized. Hence the root of all these issues. He was waiting on a shipper to be sent and then MHS seized him where he was held for over a month without any information being released to his new owner. Rising Star Farm has done nothing except purchase a stallion and yet had her name and her farm’s name dragged through the mud based on pure speculation and “facts” that turned out to be completely incorrect. So yes, it did sit badly with many of us.
As for the rest, well, lots of money was raised and hopefully it will go to to purpose for which it was intended, ie abused horses. With RS’s bill being 4500 and probably paid by someone other than MHS, that should leave lots of funds for other horses. Hopefully the organizers of the charity will be happy to share where the funds are going so the speculation can stop.
And while I know this is a pipe dream, I hope that people in general will stop posting their “facts” all over this thread or on COTH since time and time again, they’re proven wrong.
JB should be out of business. All the horses should be as lucky as Romantic Star and wind up in good, professional homes.
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Just because RS posted the vet statement does not mean she is the one who paid the bill. The billing clearly shows that MHS is the one who contracted with Davis for the care. They are the ones who have been paying the bills. Too much going on behind the scenes and too much speculation.[/QUOTE]
Apologies for jumping the gun on this one - I assumed Ronda had paid the bills since she has copies of the UC Davis statement. I am now guessing that MCHS won’t release the horse until SOMEONE pays them back.
I do still wish Ronda would get her own attorney. Her main beef should be with Jill Burnell, whose shoddy horsekeeping allowed the whole Romantic Star mess to occur.
What a freakin’ mess. I am so sorry for EVERYONE involved in this debacle - except JillB, of course, who should be behind bars.
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The stallion was sold BEFORE he was seized. Hence the root of all these issues. He was waiting on a shipper to be sent and then MHS seized him where he was held for over a month without any information being released to his new owner.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I’m just a dumb lawyer. So you purchase a horse that is seriously hurt and neglected and then you use the seller’s own attorney to sue the humane society that seized it instead of getting your own attorney? That makes sense :uhoh:
I DO appreciate the explanation.
Posted by Discobold:
The report on Facebook doesn’t just show multiple lacerations, one eye swollen shut, and a completely swollen face.
Discobold, go back and read the friggin’ report. It most certainly DOES show that the stallion had one eye swollen completely shut and the other eye was also swollen but he could still at least see out of it. It also goes on to state that there were lacerations under each eye that needed to be packed with gauze after the woulds had been cleaned. Those are some pretty serious eye injuries. Also, it seems one eye had ulcerated. That is also being treated and is healing.
And that is only the eye injuries. He had other lacerations and areas of serious edema (chest, leg).
To clarify, I do understand why the buyer (and I’ll just assume it was a good faith sale prior to the seizure) is going after the humane society: (1) they have the horse, and (2) you can’t squeeze blood from a dried turnip (i.e., you go after the deep pockets).
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At what time does the auction money kick in…and towards WHAT??? I think it should have covered at least Some of Romantic Star’s bill…
hummmmm
SH:)[/QUOTE]
How do you know it has not?
I am totally flummoxed that people are pouncing on Leg Up after the amazing job they (and others) did to fund raise.
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Discobold, go back and read the friggin’ report. It most certainly DOES show that the stallion had one eye swollen completely shut and the other eye was also swollen but he could still at least see out of it.[/QUOTE]
That’s what I said. Could you go back and read what you quoted? I didn’t say it doesn’t show. I said it doesn’t JUST show - that is, it shows more than that.
The full quote:
The report on Facebook doesn’t just show multiple lacerations, one eye swollen shut, and a completely swollen face. It also shows a body score of 3 and abnormal blood counts.
Discobold, got it. Sorry.
Let’s everyone take a breath and slow down to read each other’s posts carefully. Perhaps a PM can be sent to a representative from Leg-Up so they are made aware of questions about the auction and they can comment on the status of donations from the fundraiser. That way folk can have some information to discuss instead of continuing to speculate on and defend how it’s being handled. 
This is obviously a convoluted and passionate topic and it’s fine to ask questions and ask for clarification, but let’s try to avoid complicating things further by drawing battle lines without even checking to see what exactly is being fought about.
Thanks ~
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[QUOTE=Discobold;6824119]
Sorry, I’m just a dumb lawyer. So you purchase a horse that is seriously hurt and neglected and then you use the seller’s own attorney to sue the humane society that seized it instead of getting your own attorney? That makes sense :uhoh:
I DO appreciate the explanation.[/QUOTE]
Well, posting things like the above don’t make sense b/c you know, you have the timeline wrong The horse was purchased BEFORE the fight and any injury. Or was RS supposed to be prescient and know that would happen? Sigh…facts people, they are your friend.
So RS purchased a known commodity, got a shipping cert and was waiting on the shipper. Then all hell broke loose, stallion fight, seizure, etc.
As for the lawyer, my guess is it was easier to simply use a lawyer that was already intimately involved with the case. But yes, from a public perception standpoint, she would probably be better served finding a different lawyer. As for suing, I don’t know, if I purchased a horse that was subsequently seized, treated without my consent, kept in a clinic for weeks and weeks and I was then informed that the horse wasn’t going to be returned to me as he was evidence as well as some other things, I might be inclined to sue as well. YMMV.
I have no personal interest in this case although I have met RS in person. I simply hate to see any person or business dragged through the mud based on nothing more than nasty speculation and perhaps personal agendas. It really is quite depressing.
As for the charity, as I posted, a simple way to stop that line of muck-throwing is simply to post an accounting of where the monies are being spent. Voila - problem solved. I hope it does that, certainly no other witch hunt is needed.
