Would you double up on C II if it was one on top and one on the bottom - top would be 5th generation bottom would be 3rd generation…
Might be ok that far back but you risk a dropped topline.
Thanks Bayhawk - dont want that - will look in another direction.
That being said her sire is a C II son - what crosses best with C II? The bottom is all W, D and G line Hannoverian.
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Thanks Bayhawk - dont want that - will look in another direction.
That being said her sire is a C II son - what crosses best with C II? The bottom is all W, D and G line Hannoverian.[/QUOTE]
Calypso II was a phenomenal jumper but he was most valued as a sire of great minds and movement.
Not familiar with Hann. stamms and their breeding tendencies…sorry.
You also risk something that I would translate from german to english as soft fetlocks. No idea what is a proper english term for that.
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You also risk something that I would translate from german to english as soft fetlocks. No idea what is a proper english term for that.[/QUOTE]
weak pasterns
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You also risk something that I would translate from german to english as soft fetlocks.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is what I would be careful of with this proposal.
Calypso II
Hi!,
Alexandra’s warning is correct - his blood was not known for the correctness of the front legs, however his qualities far outweighed this negative aspect and he continued to be used heavily.
I for one love what he has produced and really like the look of a typical Calypso II, gorgeous jumping horses! And normally his progeny inherit that wonderful jumping technique he inherited from Cor de la Bryere. Calypso II really stamped his get and believe those genes are strongly passed to the next generations.
Take a look at this beautiful son (Carbid) http://www.superiorequinesires.com/stallions/carbid.shtml
and then take a look at Rabino (Ramiro/Calypso II/Ladykiller)
http://www.superiorequinesires.com/stallions/rabino.htm
You may want to look into what Zangersheide stud book did with that blood since they were/are heavily into linebreeding and that the foundation on their studbook is almost entirely based on Cor de la Bryere, Ramiro, Ladykiller xx and Alme blood.
Good luck!
always loved Rabino…
I did this but thought long and hard about it prior to doing it. The cross is gender balanced and located in gen 4 on both sides. I put the stallion Cunningham on a Coconut Grove/Solid Silver mare. The mare is short coupled with an extremely strong back. The way the dam herself is bred was also a factor in my decision. Here is the cross: http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10705821 The filly is developing beautifully.
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Hi!,
Alexandra’s warning is correct - his blood was not known for the correctness of the front legs, however his qualities far outweighed this negative aspect and he continued to be used heavily. […] [/QUOTE]
I am talking hindlegs not frontlegs which are especially for a jumping horse much more important.
I like Calypso and almost bought a mare by him last summer, but certainly a no on douubling him up from my side !
Ok I am convinced not to double up… this mare needs a little refinement and I think needs a stallion that is pre-potent for very correct hind legs…
She was a very successful AO 4ft Hunter - plenty of scope and jump but may be retired due to age and an injury.
Any other thoughts on what might give some refinement and throw very correct legs?
I had tossed around:
Roller Coaster
Hunter - who really compliments her type and provides my favorite: Heraldik blood…
C. Quito -
A Fine Romance
Sir Wanabi
By the way this is NOT my mare - just doing some homework for a friend - looking to produce a Derby horse.
I didn’t exactly doubled up Calypso II, but I’ve bred once Graf Top (who is out of a Calypso II mare) to an holsteiner mare who was out of a Calypso I mare. So despite it not being 2x Calypso II pretty close, it was the two full brothers instead.
The colt is huge. Not in height (he’ll probably end around 16.2-16.3hh), but he has bones, and is more of the old-noble style. He is 3 going on 4, was broke to ride last summer and is jumping small courses so far. He is doing so well in terms of progress and talent over fences that his owners are thinking of the 3fts jumpers next year. He is a gentleman. I had him boarding at my farm until he was 2, and he was not gelded then (he is now). I had nothing to say about his temperament (was perfect and very amateur friendly). I would not repeat that cross only because I felt he was too huge for the modern-tb’ish style that is going on, but for the temperament and talent… I would in an heartbeat.
http://www.autumnsstables.com/photobucket/gratitude_3ans.jpg
Interesting is the issue with double Calypso II but double Calypso I is known not to have the same tendencies.
I have seen several dropped toplines on horses with double calypso II and seen a beautiful approved stallion by Clinton I (out of a calypso II mother) / Contender (by Calypso II ) . The Contender mare is considered the best on the planet though with 56 points , 10 ride and 10 jump but still…they took a gamble and won.
I’d rather have him closer up but only once in the pedigree 
He is good news as long as you watch the shortfalls involved.
I remember when Coco Jambo was approved Holstein Verband. He’s Contendro/Contender so double Calypso II in gen 2. Was curious what his conformation is like now. When I saw this cross I was thinking they were very ballsy for lack of a better word.
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I remember when Coco Jambo was approved Holstein Verband. He’s Contendro/Contender so double Calypso II in gen 2. Was curious what his conformation is like now. When I saw this cross I was thinking they were very ballsy for lack of a better word.[/QUOTE]
Yes…and right to Finland he went. No breeding with him in Holstein.
Not only double Calypso II , but double Contender closer than that. Ballsy is an understatement.
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Interesting is the issue with double Calypso II but double Calypso I is known not to have the same tendencies.
I have seen several dropped toplines on horses with double calypso II and seen a beautiful approved stallion by Clinton I (out of a calypso II mother) / Contender (by Calypso II ) . The Contender mare is considered the best on the planet though with 56 points , 10 ride and 10 jump but still…they took a gamble and won.[/QUOTE]
So the other stallion I like for her has Calypso I - so what do you think of I on top and II on the bottom?
Figured that was the most PC word to use to describe the horse given Verband did approve him. :eek:
