Down a rabbit hole; trying to find the discomfort

This could be a long one but I will start it with; YES the vet is scheduled.

I have a 5 year old gelding, smaller warmblood (15.3 on a really good day) who is shod all around. I have had him for about a year and a half. Since I have had him we had a very minor case of tendinitis (was never lame, but my ocd leg touching felt something different). Did shockwave, whole 9 yards. Did a very slow rehab because I had the time. Moved barns 2x due to trainer leaving the area, and then I completed his rehab and it was time for bigger facility.

At the new barn he was doing incredible, took him to a small schooling show and did super. 2 weeks later, he just did not seem himself, was spooky and reactive. He can be quirky but this was out of character. I had a gut feeling we had ulcers and something was not right with my “custom saddle”. He was having a really hard time going to the left, bending left and not quite as happy cantering off to the left until he got going. Left is definitely his harder direction, has been since the day I got him.

Beginning of January had him scoped. 2 out of 4 on ulcers squamous and a single glandular. Began treatment, improved on diet. During this initial treatment he improved significantly at first. After 2 weeks into treatment he became more resistant to go left. **workload was significantly reduced after a week and a half off. He is a tough one to go with no work. Re scope beginning of February. This time squamous ulcers are gone, the glandular remained and even looked a bit worse. No problem, continued with treatment per vet recc.

I then hired an independent saddle fitter to come look at my wool flocked, half the cost of my horse, saddle. Turns out the panels were on uneven. The left panels set higher than the right and the right seat had a divet. This explained why I was always adjusting my saddle and feeling it was ME that was not correct, and felt this could explain a lot of why my horse did not prefer to go left and now that the ulcers were feeling better he could focus on this uncomfortable feeling. I am no longer using that saddle, I have gone back to a Less than ideal fitting saddle that I had used on him before without significant issue and a special pad.

He has super days, and then days I am just confused. He is stepping even under saddle and on a lunge. He is nice and relaxed going right and going straight when tracking left. The second I hit the short side, or try to circle his head comes up a bit and he becomes what feels “upset”. I have tried changing the bit (works for a day), different surface areas (sand/dirt footing covered, vs grass) and it is a bit more dramatic in the covered but he’s always hated it bc it is attached to the barn aka home.

I am all over the place in what I think it could be. My trainer feels it likely just that being his weak side and it is a training issue. I could see this being true, but I am a bit hyper vigilant to accept that yet. I had the chiro veterinarian look at him. She reported no pain but had a lack of mobility in his back which could be explained by poor saddle fit and glandular ulcer (protecting himself). I have assessed on a short lunge and find he is a bit resistant to move out to the left and easy to get going right.

Just to add another layer of information when I did. PPE on this horse it was found he has. Significantly smaller hock space on the left that would at some point require injections (we’ve done Adequan as a preventative). Would I be incorrect in thinking maybe it’s time to have our hocks injected since trotting a circle and cantering to the left is the Les than preferred option? Have I not given Getting over the memory of the ill fitting enough to time (1.5 weeks) I’ve gone down pretty much all rabbit holes I can think of research wise(SI issue, KS, neck issue, EPM). This is my heart horse, and he can choose to be and do whatever he wants regardless of what ailments he throws at me. I just want to ensure I do right by him and listen to what he tries to say. Any directions to be pointed Would be appreciated!

My horse had similar symptoms (although his issue was resistance to the right, rather than the left) due to ulcers combined with poor saddle fit. He is 3.5 weeks into ulcer medication (he was same rating and had both types) and he is a lot better, but not 100% yet. He definitely has great days and less great days. He gets re-scoped Friday, so we will see if they are healed and it is just memory or if he still has some.

So, it definitely could be the hock but it might just be that he hasn’t had enough time to get over the ulcers (or they may not be healed yet) and saddle fit memory.

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Yes rule out pain from ulcers and saddle and bones, muscles, etc, etc.

Then Neddy needs to learn that he has to go forward even if the moon and stars are not aligned exactly.

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Our horses must be having discussions with each other.

Similar situation with my small WB gelding.

Did an extensive lameness exam - decided to inject hocks, stifles, SI to rule out any pain. He did have positive flexions, but pretty hock radiographs. His stifle ultrasound was not fantastic. (Ultrasound was used to inject the stifle).

Tested him for lyme disease - he came back with a lower positive chronic titer. Treated with doxy for 30 days.

Finally scoped him - grade 2 ulcers. He was treated for 30 days with gastrogard and sucralfate. Scoped again, his pyloric ulcers remained. We’ll do another 30 days and scope for the third time.

I had the vet radiograph his spine - a few “close” places but not kissing spine by any means.

Saddle fitter came back out to check his custom saddle. All good there.

I think he’s starting to feel better. But he still has his days. I think he just has absolutely no pain tolerance, and is learning that he’s not going to be in pain anymore. At least, that’s what I’m hoping. During all of this, I took about 10 steps backward in his training. I lowered the jumps, etc., I want to give him the benefit of being able to figure out how to function now without difficult tasks.

Good luck!!!

Wow, it certainly sounds like they must be best friends @scrbear11. I have my suspicion at this point at high RH suspensory due to all this compensation he has had to do.

A slightly ill fitting saddle may impinge on his body movement, creating discomfort, and cause him to lift his head which would likely cause his back to dip. Can the panels on the wool flocked saddle be fixed either by a minor reflocking or a full strip and have the saddle fit?

As far as soft tissue issues, these can be caused because the horse isn’t using itself correctly. The incorrect movement can be caused by ill fitting tack or because of hoof issues. It may be a good idea to get a really good lameness / sport horse / hoof knowledgeable vet to take a look at his hooves.

Thank you! I have an appointment set for next friday (which is never soon enough for me, but work pays the bills) and I have thought about his feet. I made his farrier aware we are having an issue and I will definitely put it on my check for the vet.

unfortunately the saddle panels were placed on asymmetrically (left higher than right) and there is a divet in the right seat so everything shift right. I am embarrassed i didn’t catch the issue and only have had this saddle 6-7 months. I thought it was me the whole time. The tree i have heard a sound when he lifts his head to pick up the left lead so I truly have a lemon.

@cberry what brand of saddle is the lemon? Did you buy it new? I would expect the panels to be a defect in manufacturing and should be covered under a warranty.

Best of luck moving forward.

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